The "Catpin" Universe Discussion

[FyreCracka]

 Kiva and I have been up to a few things. She is off gallivanting around with Doc McSteamy and watching him battle, and I just had a knock down, drag out fight with fan favorite Cynthia. Hopefully, there are some things y'all will enjoy. 

[Tiberius J.C.]

Kiva and I have been up to a few things. She is off gallivanting around with Doc McSteamy and watching him battle, and I just had a knock down, drag out fight with fan favorite Cynthia. Hopefully, there are some things y'all will enjoy. 

Your fight with Cynthia was a gem!

[FyreCracka]

Kiva and I have been up to a few things. She is off gallivanting around with Doc McSteamy and watching him battle, and I just had a knock down, drag out fight with fan favorite Cynthia. Hopefully, there are some things y'all will enjoy. 

Your fight with Cynthia was a gem!

Thanks... I'm still a little embarrassed I didn't come up with the Dumpster Fyre thing.... you realize that would have been the title of the chapter? Lol.

Anyway, while not quite in the Catpin Universe, I did post the first chapter in a new miniseries with Cynthia's sister, Charlotte, in it. Charlotte will definitely make an appearance in Fyre's Fight Journal some time soon. So it's definitely Catpin Universe adjacent

[FyreCracka]

Kiva and I have been up to a few things. She is off gallivanting around with Doc McSteamy and watching him battle, and I just had a knock down, drag out fight with fan favorite Cynthia. Hopefully, there are some things y'all will enjoy. 

Your fight with Cynthia was a gem!

Thanks... I'm still a little embarrassed I didn't come up with the Dumpster Fyre thing.... you realize that would have been the title of the chapter? Lol.

Anyway, while not quite in the Catpin Universe, I did post the first chapter in a new miniseries with Cynthia's sister, Charlotte, in it. Charlotte will definitely make an appearance in Fyre's Fight Journal some time soon. So it's definitely Catpin Universe adjacent

Haven't enjoyed a author this much since HotNancy, I know I am not the only one who wants to see you even the score with Joelene and the posh bitch who made you eat her pussy. Is there any chance?

Thanks for the compliments. Yes, you will see Candace again. I have a couple of different plans for her but haven't quite decided exactly what I want her to do just yet.... maybe a "Catpin Chronicles" chapter as well, to see things through her twisted eyes. 

[Kiva]

Hi y'all (I've been in Texas long enough to say that.)

KFJ Chaper 12 is posted. It's a continuation of the Love, Death, and Lies story arc. I finally meet the mysterious psycho bitch Gloria and the situation reaches a shocking conclusion. Frank and I have our moment of truth. It's a wild ride with some fun twists. I even try my hand at erotica novel style writing  . As always, I'd love to have your feedback. Thanks for reading.

Kiva

[Kiva]

I even try my hand at erotica novel style writing  . As always, I'd love to have your feedback. Thanks for reading.

Kiva

I mostly liked it.  Just one suggestion.  When Kiva had Frank's phone, she found pics of different IRL girls.  But .... why just that.  Like Frank even says, that's pretty run-of-the-mill stuff.  Why not include other 'stuff':  Frank and another woman photobombing, oh, a formal fundraiser or something.  Google Maps directions to a secret love nest.  Downloaded extreme content.  Frank's search history.  Etc.  As long as Kiva is getting dis-enchanted with Frank, why not pile it on thick?

Thanks for reading! And all good suggestions. One of the challenges in writing this was determining how far to take Frank's "sleaze factor" before story Kiva would finally see the light. For now, I suppose it's up to our imaginations to think of what else we'd find on Frank's phone.

It does raise an interesting question I'll ask to any women who may be reading this. Guys are welcome to share their thoughts as well.

If you found out your new boyfriend has a collection of nude photos of past women he's been with, including some girls you know from work or had a negative history with (Tori and Amber in the story), would you:

A. Accept his "it's different now that you're here" line and trust him in a relationship
B. Demand that you see all nude pics be deleted before giving him a chance
C. Demand to examine his cell phone and search history before deciding on the relationship
D. Continue the relationship but get him to agree to a monitoring system where you spot check any and all devices
E. Accept him for who he is and continue the relationship. He has a right to his privacy.
F. End the relationship immediately

You may choose more than one answer.

[Kiva]

Are we going to see more developments in the catpin universe?

Yes. I realize sometimes it takes us several weeks between stories due to life's commitments. This time, I took a break from the catpin universe and posted an unrelated story about two moms wrestling in a backyard called, "Wating At The Door" (Wrestling board). But I am back again, getting into catpin trouble. I know Kelli is cooking up new stories as well. Thanks for reading! 

[h_k]

Interesting question in todays' Merriam-Webster Usage Notes: is it "buck naked" or "butt naked"?
I know Billy's and the Catpin Universe are independent domains, but since there isn't a "Billy's" discussion thread, and since members of the Catpin sorority have also been known on occasion to relieve their vanquished frenemies of their panties, this would seem as good a place as any to raise the question: "buck" or "butt" naked?
Kiva (bless her) is in the "butt' camp:

I bend over, lift up her hips, then grab on to the back of her panties. For a second, I decide to let her be. Then I think of an old John Wayne movie, I think it was "McLintock." In a parody of an iconic scene where The Duke held an unfortunate varmint by the collar and threatened to belt him in the mouth, I tell Ginger:

"Pilgrim, you caused a lot of trouble around here today. Somebody ought to strip off your panties and leave you butt naked. ..."

[Kiva's Fight Journal, Chapter 4: Day of Reckoning: https://www.freecatfights.com/forums/index.php?topic=90742.15]
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Paige, on the other hand, favours "buck" (though she throws in an "ass" for good measure):

Unsurprisingly, this materialistic bitch takes the bait. "I know this place... we can fight in a cage — no interference. And the owner pays well... plus I can shut your big ass mouth in front of a crowd" I bark, my competitive nature still raging.

   "... you talking about Billy's?" Paige says with a confident smirk.

   "It is" I say, pressing back into her.

   "I know it... and him well... this is too good. Beating your ass... uppity... wholesome ... Kelli in front of those filthy degenerates... leaving you laying buck ass naked for them to stare at... you're on... Saturday night pays the best and I'll even call him."

[Fyre's Fight Journal, Chapter 18: Tussle With A Trophy Wife https://www.freecatfights.com/forums/index.php?topic=78153.45]
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"What would Paige know?" you're probably saying. "She's just some bimbo trophy wife and, anyway, Kiva rattled her brain like a stone in a biscuit tin with that right hook of hers when they fought in the cage". True. But that was after. And, anyway, that wasn't really the issue in dispute. For trial by combat to have any meaning, the gods have to know in advance upon what question they're being invited to rule, and when Paige climbed into the cage that night to face Kiva, I doubt somehow whether the gods were hurriedly thumbing through the pages of Merriam-Webster to check whether it's "buck" or "butt" naked.

[Kiva]

Perhaps I favored "butt naked" because I see a lot of naked butts at work (trust me, nursing is NOT sexy work). I could be faulted for choosing "butt naked" since I was doing a parody of John Wayne and "buck naked" is an older term and more likely to be used in the 1800s Wild West. However, I believe I have the prerogative to a more modern usage since my sentence was directed at Ginger.

Here's the John Wayne clip. You can skip to the last 30 seconds. He didn't grab the man by the collar like I said in the story.  Only in the catpin universe does an old Wayne movie inspire us to remove our foes' panties. 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NkFmlUcpfnM

[FyreCracka]

I believe both are acceptable. Though, I am partial to bare ass naked... or as I pronounce it "nekkid" 

[Tiberius J.C.]

I believe both are acceptable. Though, I am partial to bare ass naked... or as I pronounce it "nekkid" 

Do you write for GQ by any chance, Kelli? Look at example 3 from the OED.
1913   Daily Times Enterprise (Thomasville, Georgia) 6 Dec. 1/2   A negro Adam, buck naked and believing himself to be in the Garden of Eden, was tried... After hearing the evidence, the case was turned over to an insanity commission.
1961   E. Hamner Spencer's Mountain 33   The whole army of little white-headed, buck-naked children.
1993   GQ Feb. 51/2   [He] climbs, buck-nekkid save for hiking boots and a gimme cap, to the top of an escarpment.
2004   J. Jameson & N. Strauss How to make Love like Porn Star v. v. 441   When I walked around the set buck naked.., the production assistants kept trying to wrap me in a robe.
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I'd never heard of anyone pronouncing it "nekkid". Now twice in one day. Surely too much of a coincidence to be a coincidence.
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That was "buck" Now "butt"
butt-naked adj. colloquial (originally and chiefly North American) completely naked, stark naked.
[1959   A. M. Stein Never need Enemy vii. 90   Leaping out to confront her bare-butt naked might lead to misunderstandings.]
1968   M. Van Peebles Bear for FBI vi. 66   You read a National Geographic and there is some far off native girl standing butt-naked for the cameraman.
1976   Baytown (Texas) Sun 3 Nov. 13 a/2   Even if he's butt naked, he's still a police officer.
2011   M. Roffey With Kisses of his Mouth 164   One man, an ex-actor, decided to moonwalk backwards across the circle, butt-naked.
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So both are correct but I think you two should discuss this and agree beforehand whether you're going to strip Tori and Amber (or Charlotte and Cynthia or Jolene and Paige - there are so many sisters to choose from) "buck-naked" or "butt-naked". Any confusion or indecision at the crucial moment,could,  as I think you've each found to your cost on other occasions, lead to tears, embarrassment and (the horror!) exposure.

[coachzzz]

After binge reading both the FFJ and KFJ pages (as well as the Catfight Chronicles stories) over the last week, I don't mind throwing a few ideas out.  Things have been kind of slow with both women working on other projects.   I'll start with Kiva's story.

Kiva, your character probably feels like she hates men right now.   She doesn't and shouldn't, but she has had awful luck in which men have wound up in her life.   Tom (I think) does love you, but he is a two-time loser in the untrustworthy category.   He has a bad case of "cat scratch fever", an obsession with women catfighting that takes control of his decisions.   (This term is a nod not to the actual disease or the song, but to the epic catfight novella Cat Scratch Fever written by the legendary Raven in the 1990s.)  The other men in her orbit are either unavailable or are pure scumbags (like Frank and Billy).  We don't see any other major male characters in the hospital to point her toward.

There are thus only a few ways to go now for Kiva.   If you decide to continue the series, one idea might be for your character to swear off men for a while, focus on your vocation, have some fun with some of your girlfriends and have the occasional catpin fight out in the world.   Find a new worthy rival at the hospital, and let's see them battle it out for a pecking order at work.  Otherwise, let time pass and see what the future brings.   But at some point Kiva has to either find a way to forgive and reconcile with Tom (a very hard prospect), try to go it alone as a single mom with a stressful and demanding job, or by chance find a new man to introduce to the story that would allow Kiva to maintain the precarious balance in her life.  Kiva thought Frank was that guy, but Kiva from the earlier part of the stories could have warned her otherwise.  Finally, Tom's last text to Kiva, "I want to fight for you", obviously has double meaning.   Tom says not only that he wants to metaphorically fight for Kiva's love, but maybe physically as well.  Would it take Tom physically fighting for her against another man, then losing and being embarrassed the same way she was by Cynthia, for her to forgive Tom?  As harsh as it sounds, this last idea may be the only way Tom can somewhat understand the depths of Kiva's emotional pain and thus create some sort of bridge of understanding between their characters.

I know Kiva (the writer) has taken some time away from this series to do other great stories (most recently the eloquent and poignant "Requiem"), but the last chapter of the Journal left us with a cliffhanger.  Will she reconcile with Tom or not?    What else will happen?   Tune in sometime later this year, when we get another exciting episode of "As the Kiva Turns"!    In all seriousness, Kiva, take your time, do the writing you want to do, do it with your usual brilliance, and come back to this story when you are ready. 

[FyreCracka]

I know it's not everyone's cup of tea, but I posted a new MvsM story in that section. It takes place after the Cynthia fight and catches the MvsM series up with Fyre's Fight Journal... meaning... you guessed it! There may be some couples fights on the horizon.

Also, it introduces a new and interesting (to me) couple. Samuel and Anastasia.... Anastasia and I have trouble getting along. I wonder what that could mean?


And last but certainly not least, thanks to many of you for your feedback. It has been a busy time around the Fyrecracka house, but I am getting closer and closer to a few new catfight  stories for FFJ ... and even one from the point of view of one of the more mysterious and popular characters from earlier in the series in the Catpin Chronicles.

As always, feel free to comment, speculate, bloviate, critique and flatter me (as well as drop ideas and desires) here, via PM, trillian, mental telepathy, or other means.

[Kiva]

Coachzzz,
Thank you for sharing your insight and ideas for KFJ. I think I can also speak for Kelli when I say we are always thrilled when readers share their thoughts and love to hear ideas. You really hit the nail on the head with the current state of the storyline. The next chapter is in process. Without giving too much away, I can say that there will be a major development in the relationship with Tom, but not necessarily a full resolution,so there will be plenty of flexibility for the storyline to go in many possible directions. As always, I'm open to suggestions of what readers would like to see. Your posts are much appreciated.

Kelli,
Your last MvsM story is hysterical. For anyone not familiar with Kelli's MvsM thread (see her post above), her male fight stories are intense, brutal, erotic, and contain some of the most creative descriptions of male genitalia ever seen in the English language. 

[coachzzz]

Kelli--some rambling thoughts about FyreCracka's Fight Journal and where you go from here.

My favorite chapters of yours have been the ones with Natalie and Cynthia (chapters 26 and 38).   The fights were the sensational, imaginative, long, brutal, back and forth battles you always give us, but there was much more than that.  Both of the chapters have a backstory going back to your days in high school.   Let's look at Natalie first.   After almost 20 years, she still came to the reunion targeting you for a fight, after hearing about one of your fights at Billy's.   Why?   Is it just simply female jealousy—the "I can still take her—I'm still better than her" attitude?   That is part of it for certain, but there may be something else.  Picture this.  She appears to have been very ambitious as a young coach, maybe wanting to move up the coaching ladder to a big college job.  Her ticket to that goal would have been (a) producing high level recruits for colleges and (b) winning some state championships.   She has her two best teams, but they get knocked out in the quarter-finals, and she looks at you as the cause.   You weren't as good as she was (or as good as Charlotte Powers was, in her eyes) and thus you were the supposed reason (in her warped mind) the team lost.  That's why she didn't pass on the partial scholarship offers to you—in her mind you didn't deserve them, because you cost her the opportunities she wanted.   So you and Natalie will be forever enemies, because you both think the other cost each of you something you think you each truly deserved.    The fight itself against Natalie was a tense, massive war of attrition that was glorious to read.  You now respect each other's fighting abilities, but your feud is nowhere near over.

As for Cynthia, your battle with her was equally loaded with backstory, and the fight that starts in the elevator, goes through the loading dock and into the dumpster is an all-time great fight scene.  (I also loved Kiva's add-on scene of you and Jake telling her the news).   I think you are probably done with specific fights with her (unless Josh's income would qualify her for the Palace or you create a 2 on 2 fight with you and Kiva vs. Cynthia and Charlotte, but Kiva has enough on her plate right now with her character's issues, so this isn't the time for that).   But Charlotte is a must grudge fight in the main FFJ timeline.   (Yes, I read "The Rivals", and your story of what would have happened if you ran into Charlotte later that night after the basketball game was fantastic.  But that did not happen in the main timeline, so it doesn't count here.)    She still hates you from back in your high school days, and you beating Cynthia will give her an extra reason to come calling on you.  Your clash with Cynthia, as well as your recent clash with Natalie, has brought your latent hatred of Charlotte into the front of your mind.   Outside of the epic fight that you will have with Jolene at some future date, a big fight with Charlotte is my most anticipated coming attraction.
   
Moving on, after your narrow losses to Jolene (Billy's champ) and the world-famous catfighter Anna the Marine Chick, Billy will not let you go up the card to face Jolene any time soon.  You already have a new outlet (Ms. Jones' Palace) and your character gets in way more outside fights anyway.   You have more than enough women already in your orbit to have rematches with (Jaymie, Natalie, the Doshi sisters, Lily, Miche, Cynthia, etc.), and much more variety of locations and scenarios to bring new women in.   As for Jolene, there must be a final battle as an end to your epic rivalry.   Rather than it be at Billy's, where I think it would be considered Jolene's home turf (with the potential of Billy cheating in some way), I would rather your final fight with her to be private, with only you, her and your respective seconds there for the occasion.  The title that Jolene has matters little at this point, since Billy controls the matchups there.   Meanwhile, if Jolene were to win, she would just simply try to bed Jake once or twice and then throw him away like a used paper napkin.   Besides, Jake would ultimately be loyal to you under any scenario.  No, this final fight is about "the championship of each other" and should be privately fought, one round to a final submission.   It should be long, brutal, epic, back and forth, and ultimately triumphant for you.

As a side note, the term I used above, "the championship of each other" is not original by me.   It comes from nearly 50 years ago.   When Muhammed Ail and Joe Frazier had their 3rd fight, the so-called "Thrilla in Manilla", somewhere I read that a scribe back then (I don't know who) described the fight as being for "the championship of each other", a final test to ultimately let history declare who of the two of them was better.   I view Kelli and Jolene's rivalry in the same light.

As for other ideas, rematches with Lily, Miche and Jaymie are musts.  Lily has a righteous vendetta against you and deserves another shot at you in private.   Just because both you and Lily wound up respectively with the right guy for each of you (as Michael notes in your excellent Chronicles story), doesn't mean she is over what happened back then.  Your fight with Miche was excellent, but it was one of your early losses and your character is much more experienced now.  Finally, Jaymie and you need another showdown.   She needs someone to take her down a peg, and I don't think Allie is the person who has the ability or mindset to do it.    Meanwhile, the Palace beckons with potential new matchups and ideas.   Kelli can go on a bit of a winning streak, gain some new contacts (especially the women she defeats) and eventually come up against a suitable foe to battle in a high-stakes feud.  This would transition her out of Billy's place (and out of Jolene's orbit after their epic finale) and into a new but similar environment of women to fight.   So my wish list would be the epic finale with Jolene, a new battle with Charlotte, a revenge fight with Jaymie, rematches with Lily and Natalie, and a focus on fights at the Palace, as you ascend the ranks there and hopefully find a worthy rival there that would allow for a multi-fight story arc. 

Kelli, again I must complement both you and your husband for crafting a series of vivid, innovative, competitive and brutal fight scenes, and I express my admiration to you for how you show the motives and emotions of the battles and for creating a very enjoyable world.    Thank you for your contributions, and I look forward to whatever you decide to do with your character in the future.