Hi all,
As I was working on a story concept, I realized I needed clarification on something. With so many female fight experts and historians here, I thought this would be the place to ask.
What exactly is "apartment style wrestling" and how does it differ from a catfight? Is it wrestling that allows "catty" things like hair pulling and slapping? Is there a line of demarcation between the two styles or is it arbitrary? Being the researcher that I am, I learned that it originated in pro wrestling magazines from the 1970s with fictional stories accompanied by bikini models in obviously fake poses for still photos. But what exactly it was still seems vague. Or is it supposed to be vague?
Does anyone here prefer AW over catfights?
Thanks,
Kiva
It's really the same thing. Just a catfight/wrestling match with an apartment as the setting. Regarding those magazines you refer to. I had every one of them. It was Sports Review Wrestling that had them every month. I couldn't wait to go into the store on the corner that carried them and buy it each month. Of course they weren't real matches but who cared? The pictures were hot as shit and with no internet around that was the ultimate.
My best guess (taken with a grain of salt as all I do is write) is that apartment style is more or less just another term for an arranged catfight.. possibly with an attempt at some sort of rules....so there's really not any tangible difference for the most part. Kind of like French Vanilla vs Vanilla.... and now I want ice cream!
Thanks to both of you. I think I get it.
npom, I found some of those magazines online. The pics are certainly impressive, and the stories are entertaining to say the least. I imagine a lot of teenage boys in the 70s were buying up the mags and hiding their stash from their parents. Thanks for the insight.
Here is a link http://www.ahwgallery.com/
Quote from: peregrine on November 30, 2021, 01:23:09 AM
Here is a link http://www.ahwgallery.com/
OMG!...what a website. As npom said, I can see how, prior to the internet, this magazine was gold to anyone with the catfight fetish. It's funny they were sold in shops and newstands. (Can I have a few bucks, Mom? I'm just going to buy a wrestling magazine.") Thanks for sharing.
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Quote from: Kiva on November 30, 2021, 01:45:51 PM
Quote from: peregrine on November 30, 2021, 01:23:09 AM
Here is a link http://www.ahwgallery.com/
OMG!...what a website. As npom said, I can see how, prior to the internet, this magazine was gold to anyone with the catfight fetish. It's funny they were sold in shops and newstands. (Can I have a few bucks, Mom? I'm just going to buy a wrestling magazine.") Thanks for sharing.
if you are looking to understand the vibe of that era and the scene I wound suggest a novella called Bad Hombre by JT Edson. I think its on Amazon for a couple of bucks.
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Oddly enough I LITERALLY (1min ago) just finished typing a comment on another thread going on a mini rant about how people on this site don't tend to like apartment wrestling LOL. IMO Apartment Wrestling is fake and Catfights are "Real". I like both but I lean moreso to Apartment Wrestling because they check all the boxes and there's way more steady content and variety in the fake fight genre. The downside to apartment wrestling is sometimes it can be waaaay too phony and hokey. The apartment matches when the girls participating are giggling and smiling way too much and the participants have absolutely ZERO athletic ability or desire to get even the slightest bit rough just comes off as plain bad and unwatchable.
Quote from: jaybee on December 01, 2021, 02:52:32 PM
Oddly enough I LITERALLY (1min ago) just finished typing a comment on another thread going on a mini rant about how people on this site don't tend to like apartment wrestling LOL. IMO Apartment Wrestling is fake and Catfights are "Real". I like both but I lean moreso to Apartment Wrestling because they check all the boxes and there's way more steady content and variety in the fake fight genre. The downside to apartment wrestling is sometimes it can be waaaay too phony and hokey. The apartment matches when the girls participating are giggling and smiling way too much and the participants have absolutely ZERO athletic ability or desire to get even the slightest bit rough just comes off as plain bad and unwatchable.
I suspect many here feel the same way. AW (done well) seems to be the perfect stuff of fantasy. The images and concepts are very sexy. Even if it's "fake", it provides tons of fuel for the imagination and that's all we really need for our fantasies to be what we want them to be. Thanks for your comment.
Quote from: Kiva on December 01, 2021, 07:35:15 PM
Quote from: jaybee on December 01, 2021, 02:52:32 PM
Oddly enough I LITERALLY (1min ago) just finished typing a comment on another thread going on a mini rant about how people on this site don't tend to like apartment wrestling LOL. IMO Apartment Wrestling is fake and Catfights are "Real". I like both but I lean moreso to Apartment Wrestling because they check all the boxes and there's way more steady content and variety in the fake fight genre. The downside to apartment wrestling is sometimes it can be waaaay too phony and hokey. The apartment matches when the girls participating are giggling and smiling way too much and the participants have absolutely ZERO athletic ability or desire to get even the slightest bit rough just comes off as plain bad and unwatchable.
I suspect many here feel the same way. AW (done well) seems to be the perfect stuff of fantasy. The images and concepts are very sexy. Even if it's "fake", it provides tons of fuel for the imagination and that's all we really need for our fantasies to be what we want them to be. Thanks for your comment.
In other words, Apartment Wrestling done right is like the high level of pro wrestling in the catfight world?
My reasoning being that a high level pro wrestling federation (like a WWE) is good enough to make you suspend your disbelief and wonder if it's real. I think a well done AW match/product could do the same thing. Interesting topic.
Quote from: FyreCracka on December 01, 2021, 09:44:32 PM
Quote from: Kiva on December 01, 2021, 07:35:15 PM
Quote from: jaybee on December 01, 2021, 02:52:32 PM
Oddly enough I LITERALLY (1min ago) just finished typing a comment on another thread going on a mini rant about how people on this site don't tend to like apartment wrestling LOL. IMO Apartment Wrestling is fake and Catfights are "Real". I like both but I lean moreso to Apartment Wrestling because they check all the boxes and there's way more steady content and variety in the fake fight genre. The downside to apartment wrestling is sometimes it can be waaaay too phony and hokey. The apartment matches when the girls participating are giggling and smiling way too much and the participants have absolutely ZERO athletic ability or desire to get even the slightest bit rough just comes off as plain bad and unwatchable.
I suspect many here feel the same way. AW (done well) seems to be the perfect stuff of fantasy. The images and concepts are very sexy. Even if it's "fake", it provides tons of fuel for the imagination and that's all we really need for our fantasies to be what we want them to be. Thanks for your comment.
In other words, Apartment Wrestling done right is like the high level of pro wrestling in the catfight world?
My reasoning being that a high level pro wrestling federation (like a WWE) is good enough to make you suspend your disbelief and wonder if it's real. I think a well done AW match/product could do the same thing. Interesting topic.
Exactly. But then there's also wrestling on the level of GLOW which depending on your tolerance level is either fun cheese or unwatchable trash (BTW I loved GLOW). It's all a matter of taste and I'm lenient when it comes to Apartment Wrestling so you can be WWE or GLOW in my eyes as long as it's entertaining. Now keep in mind I do have my limit on what I will or will not accept as "wrestling/catfighting" fake fights can also be boring again if too fake.
Quote from: Kiva on November 30, 2021, 01:45:51 PM
Quote from: peregrine on November 30, 2021, 01:23:09 AM
Here is a link http://www.ahwgallery.com/
OMG!...what a website. As npom said, I can see how, prior to the internet, this magazine was gold to anyone with the catfight fetish. It's funny they were sold in shops and newstands. (Can I have a few bucks, Mom? I'm just going to buy a wrestling magazine.") Thanks for sharing.
First one I purchased was January 1977, Gail vs Kayla. I was 15 at the time. I bought every one going forward. My three favorites were June 1977, December 1977 and February 1978. Within the magazine there were ads for more erotic and revealing magazines that you could get through the mail. Needless to say it was a chore to make sure I got to the mail before my parents did! I purchased Catfights Galore and Big and Busty Brawlers that way. They featured several porn actresses of the day including Candy Samples, Uschi Digard. Hannah Veeck and others. Candy Samples was my favorite. I would look at the pictures of her dominating her opponent and imagine her dominating my best friend's mom the same way. Good times!
I was one of those who loved Apartment Wrestling in the magazines in the day. The cool thing was, you didn't have to hide it from your parents because it was just a wresting magazine.
When I started BaeFight (and even before with the YouTube film we made, Roomate Fight), I wanted to incorporate a sort of Apartment style. At BaeFight, we use all sorts of props, the couches, anything else that may be lying around, and of course the infamous bannister. Our goal is to make our matches look as realistic as possible. I encourage our baes to use the whole room and whatever is in there. Certainly my inspiration is to make those old photographs come to life.
www.BaeFight.com
Roomate was a great 3 parter. The girl next door lost, but the mean girl was just too much. One of the best shots is in the third part when she has her arms trapped and beats the crap out of her belly telling her to give up and then the part of ripping her belly button ring out was quite a moment.
Quote from: docstup on December 05, 2021, 01:15:49 PM
I was one of those who loved Apartment Wrestling in the magazines in the day. The cool thing was, you didn't have to hide it from your parents because it was just a wresting magazine.
When I started BaeFight (and even before with the YouTube film we made, Roomate Fight), I wanted to incorporate a sort of Apartment style. At BaeFight, we use all sorts of props, the couches, anything else that may be lying around, and of course the infamous bannister. Our goal is to make our matches look as realistic as possible. I encourage our baes to use the whole room and whatever is in there. Certainly my inspiration is to make those old photographs come to life.
www.BaeFight.com
Thanks. Yes, both girls were amazing, they really went at it hard. When I saw that piece of furniture, I saw right away how you could trap someone's arms there and really finish them. It was a blast to make. It inspired me to start BaeFight, though like 8 years later, lol.
Quote from: docstup on December 07, 2021, 01:19:40 AM
Thanks. Yes, both girls were amazing, they really went at it hard. When I saw that piece of furniture, I saw right away how you could trap someone's arms there and really finish them. It was a blast to make. It inspired me to start BaeFight, though like 8 years later, lol.
Is this still out there somewhere on YouTube? If so could someone post a link as to how and view it?
Isn't apartment wrestling just friendly wrestling in your own home?
I tend to find the term catfight in its simpliest terms is two women testing each other up
Quote from: EmmaBitchUK on December 07, 2021, 11:49:50 PM
Isn't apartment wrestling just friendly wrestling in your own home?
I tend to find the term catfight in its simpliest terms is two women testing each other up
I started this post to clarify my questions as to the precise meaning of "apartment style wrestling". I've written a few stories using the term, (see Goodnight Snowflake https://www.freecatfights.com/forums/index.php?topic=91569.0) but realized my concept of it was vague. Thanks to the respondents here and the resources they showed me, here are my conclusions.
1. The term "Apartment House Wrestling" was invented in the 1970s by the staff writers of Sports Review Wrestling, a pretty standard monthly pro wrestling magazine with one glaring exception. The mag featured stories of women in bikinis fighting in high rise apartments, usually in front of wealthy powerful men (of course). The stories were accompanied by photos of models posing in still shots. The feature ran from the 70s to the early 80s and could be found in your corner drug store. To older catfight fans, these magazines are iconic and today are bought and sold as collectibles.
2. The fight style could be considered catfights since they allowed hair pulling, clawing, etc.
3. Over the years, the term and concept of "apartment style wrestling" has been used by many production companies and fiction writers.
4. Today, the term is still used and loosely refers to an arranged fight, usually in an apartment or a house. The style may be identical to a catfight or a milder catfight with rules. I'm not aware it implies any particular relationship between the fighters.
I'd like to thank all of the contributors to this post. This was very enlightening. Please correct me if I got anything wrong.
I was certainly one of those teenagers hiding 'Sports Review Wrestling' under my bed. Dave Moll was my hero, much cooler than Hugh Hefner.
As a kid, I just knew wealthy men on both coast were paying sexy babes to fight for their amusement. There was this whole fantasy of an underground world where these girl fights took place in palatial penthouses with young starlets vying for the attention of the rich and powerful.
Certainly catfight is what they did, but it was much more specific in how the matches were arranged and who was invited to watch.
A wonderful, magical era, even if it was all fabricated.
Quote from: npom on December 04, 2021, 04:01:02 PM
Quote from: Kiva on November 30, 2021, 01:45:51 PM
Quote from: peregrine on November 30, 2021, 01:23:09 AM
Here is a link http://www.ahwgallery.com/
OMG!...what a website. As npom said, I can see how, prior to the internet, this magazine was gold to anyone with the catfight fetish. It's funny they were sold in shops and newstands. (Can I have a few bucks, Mom? I'm just going to buy a wrestling magazine.") Thanks for sharing.
First one I purchased was January 1977, Gail vs Kayla. I was 15 at the time. I bought every one going forward. My three favorites were June 1977, December 1977 and February 1978. Within the magazine there were ads for more erotic and revealing magazines that you could get through the mail. Needless to say it was a chore to make sure I got to the mail before my parents did! I purchased Catfights Galore and Big and Busty Brawlers that way. They featured several porn actresses of the day including Candy Samples, Uschi Digard. Hannah Veeck and others. Candy Samples was my favorite. I would look at the pictures of her dominating her opponent and imagine her dominating my best friend's mom the same way. Good times!
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Quote from: docstup on December 07, 2021, 01:19:40 AM
Thanks. Yes, both girls were amazing, they really went at it hard. When I saw that piece of furniture, I saw right away how you could trap someone's arms there and really finish them. It was a blast to make. It inspired me to start BaeFight, though like 8 years later, lol.
Is this still out there somewhere on YouTube? If so could someone post a link as to how and view it?
ya i'd love to see this if anyone has a link to share :)