I enjoy watching catfight videos with an asian girl vs a non-asian girl (usually a caucasian), but most of these fights, scripted or real, end up with the non-asian girl winning, beating the asian girl up badly.
Why do the makers of the videos tend to make the white girl win? is it because the audience is mainly white?? or is it simply because asians are just inferior to their Western counterparts when it comes to combat??
what are your thoughts about this?
**when i say 'asian', i am talking about the girls from East Asia (Japan, China, South Korea, around there.) Cuz i know those Southeastern Asians, the Vietnamese etc., are really badass and can fight hard.
***also im talking about amateur girls fighting. not girls who are specially trained in martial arts and such. im comparing just the average normal white girl against the average normal asian girl.
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I love Asian Vs Blond competitive matches myself. From my video collection, would say asian win about 50% of time and are good real match-up for Blond white fighters.
Quote from: ravenman on July 16, 2010, 09:35:17 AM
I enjoy watching catfight videos with an asian girl vs a non-asian girl (usually a caucasian), but most of these fights, scripted or real, end up with the non-asian girl winning, beating the asian girl up badly.
Why do the makers of the videos tend to make the white girl win? is it because the audience is mainly white?? or is it simply because asians are just inferior to their Western counterparts when it comes to combat??
what are your thoughts about this?
**when i say 'asian', i am talking about the girls from East Asia (Japan, China, South Korea, around there.) Cuz i know those Southeastern Asians, the Vietnamese etc., are really badass and can fight hard.
***also im talking about amateur girls fighting. not girls who are specially trained in martial arts and such. im comparing just the average normal white girl against the average normal asian girl.
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I believe it is simply due to white American male fantasies about Asian women being submissive. All the scripted material is a manifestation of this and it is another side of the fantasy coin that black women dominate white women due to physical superiority. Why be surprised when middle aged white men play back your fantasy for you in order to sell content?
the average normal white girl probably outweighs the normal asian girl by 10-15 lbs. and is taller by a few inches. so, if their determination and experience is the same, the bigger person will win more often than not.
Honestly, I can't say I've seen too many asians in real catfights. They seem to stick to scripted (or not get into it at all). However, I can think of a few.
Kyla Luciano was amazingly skilled at wrestling. She even beat Gia Primo a few times.
Kim and Seven from Carolina Catfights have also won a lot of matches. Kim has had a lot of matches where she dominates in Carolina Catfights. She also had a few matches for SouthernBelles (which is real). Seven wasn't around long, but she did pretty good. And while some people could argue CC is fake (looks pretty real to me, but who knows), it would still be showing asian women winning in scripted matches.
I'm also sure Bruce could recommend a few Asian women from the Academy over the years that kicked major ass as I've seen a few in some of his videos.
If you want to see scripted wrestling with Asian girls winning, check out Nicole Oring (I probably spelled that wrong). She works scripted matches and is usually portrayed as a badass. Kickass girls also have a few asian girls that win a lot too.
The issue seems to be though that Asian girls are in the minority with female wrestling. Or they don't do videos a lot. And as mentioned, when they do and are scripted to lose, it's probably due to old fantasies. Though it is changing.
Probably the biggest reason you don't see many Asian women in catfight videos against white girls is -- there aren't that many Asian women in America. In big cities and some small ones it may seem like there's lots of Asians, but in total numbers there aren't that many. If Asians, per capita, got into catfighting at the same rate as white women, you might expect the kind of numbers you actually see in American productions. It's even possible that Asians are overrepresented according to their share of the population.
We might ask ourselves why we don't see more black and Hispanic women in catfight videos, since they vastly outnumber Asians in America. I Wikied US Population stats, and America has 228 million White people, 47 million Hispanic, 37.6 million Blacks, and 13.4 million Asians.
It's entirely possible that Hispanics and Blacks, culturally, just don't see a lot of catfight videos and thus have no idea of this employment opportunity.
The Philippines has long been the best source for real fights with hot Asian babes. Way back in the Mesozoic era, I used to implore Mike, of Asian Connection, to take a blond American over there and get her in some matches. I even offered to put up money, as did others, but it never happened. Instead, he matched the famous Swedish Tina against his wife, Cristy in the USA, and that was a fun match, though not really fair, given Tina's experience. Tina won the bout, but Cristy put up a good scrap. Tina might have lost in Manila against the likes of Lonnie or Janeth.
FWIW, years ago I did a survey of real matches pitting White against Asian. At first, white girls had a big lead, but when I was finished, it ended up 50-50. In my town there's a lot of tough-looking -- and very hot -- Hmong girls who would be no easy pickings for any white girl.
In the end, it all comes down to the individuals. I just happen to love the way blonds and Asians look in combat.
If so, then why does Dragonlily dominate all the time in Ultimate Surrender?
Some of the best female wrestlers come from Japan and they could easily take out the bimbos of the WWE.
The fact that the most trained individuals can match up with other trained individuals demonstrates that even at an average level, they should be equal. Like others have said, there aren't many Asians in the states and you're only seeing a small sample against a group who make up the majority of the country.
Besides, race has nothing to do with the skill of the fighter.
But the topic brings up something interesting. I do wish there were more Asian vs. other races fights. These are my favorite type of match ups.
I wonder if somewhere in Japan or China, there's a reversed question of the same one asked.
It makes me wonder if there's a whole other load of data and sources that have yet to be uncovered because of language/national barriers.
Quote from: LeeRoyCrane on July 24, 2010, 02:05:02 AM
If so, then why does Dragonlily dominate all the time in Ultimate Surrender?
I wonder if somewhere in Japan or China, there's a reversed question of the same one asked.
It makes me wonder if there's a whole other load of data and sources that have yet to be uncovered because of language/national barriers.
I find it unlikely that there is a lot of material available under the Chinese domains but here is just one "portal" maintained by a Japanese national with some Japanese links.
http://www.femfight2006jp.com/home.php (http://www.femfight2006jp.com/home.php)
Dragonlily is a great fighter, but has lost to some of the top White fighters over the years. I'd love to see her get more wrestling training and then travel and fight the DWW girls in Europe at a event.
Who else would sponsor and help pay travel to se it happen? Think Dragonlily would fight DWW style Catfight? How would she do? I think she would win and lose matches. Would take out the new girls, but lose to the top European fighters.
Quote from: SketchArtiste on July 24, 2010, 12:27:31 AM
I'm compelled to concur with you on that last point CC...I saw one of the lamest looking wrestlers drop my dick in the dirt with a hands on T-squeezing wrestling match she had against an Asian woman. I also saw a match featuring Tina vs. Robin where Robin slapped Sweet Tina's "fire nation" slit and completely dominated her...Great Blond vs. Red head match...I'm probably waiting in vain for the Piper Perabo/Jennifer Garner match...neither one of them were as cool and hot as Peta Wilson(?) who starred in the original Femme fatale made-for-SheV spy thriller "La Femme Nikita"...yes- I know it was a movie first... ;-/
SA
OK, Sketch . . . don't hold your breath waiting for the Piper Perabo/Jennifer Garner throwdown. I wouldn't mind seeing that one myself. Peta Wilson has really disappeared, hasn't she? Haven't heard anything about her in years. Mike of Asian Connection did a match between Robin and Tina that's in my collection somewhere, but I don't recall any major nudity. Robin did kick Tina's ass, though. Did that white vs. asian match you saw happen in person or was it a video?
Here's what we really need -- some rich jagoff in Australia needs to gather some blond, blue-eyed, completely untrained Aussie surfer babes and fly them to Manila to fight a bunch of Filipinas, or Jakarta to fight Indonesian babes, or Tokyo to fight some Japanese gals and save them from bukkake videos. How many masturbating assholes in diapers do I need to see in this life? The first one I saw was a thousand too many. So please, Australia is the only country loaded with hot white babes that's anywhere near the major asian catfight centers. We need a loaded Aussie fan to get this ideal business up and running!
Quote from: LQQKING4CATFIGHTER on July 24, 2010, 07:57:38 AM
Dragonlily is a great fighter, but has lost to some of the top White fighters over the years. I'd love to see her get more wrestling training and then travel and fight the DWW girls in Europe at a event.
Who else would sponsor and help pay travel to se it happen? Think Dragonlily would fight DWW style Catfight? How would she do? I think she would win and lose matches. Would take out the new girls, but lose to the top European fighters.
Just the way you phrase your statement demonstrates you can only think of this in racial terms. Why can't you take race out of your thinking of "better" and "worse"? Its great that you find contrasting looks exciting but when will you get out of characterizing people by their ethnicity. I'm sorry but on this level your question doesn't deserve a thoughtful answer.
Robin also fought Jaese from Asian Conn in ealry 90's, winner was going to travel and fight in Manila vs the Asian Champ for the World Champ, trip fell thru and never happened. This was early in Robin's carrer and would have been a interesting match for the Asian Conn girls.
Wrestlagirls is a good Australian company
Bruce, Please go back and read the orginal Question... are Asians just weaker than other girls?
That question in it's self is thinking in racial terms, so yes my answer is going to be in racial terms as you say. Why am I being singled out?
I love asian women and have dated many, I've also dated hot Blonds that I loved. So really don't want one race to win over the other, but do enjoy seeing 2 women from different Cultural backgrounds meet on the mat. Nothing gets me going more then to see a fighter fly from one country to another and test herself, having a little national pride on the line.
I do not agree 100% with what you shoot, but do not attack your fetishs. Some people would question you on why the winner of a Wrestling match must use a dildo on loser, Who are you to question me?
I think should go back and read what has been writen ealier and then post a message people would enjoy to reading and not just a personal attack.
Robin Vs Jasea match was shoot in LA for Asian Conn
Did not mean to disrespect Dragonlilly, I've heard she is now training BJJ and will be a top fighter in the future if she sticks with her training. I'm only saying that she is today, not in the class of Xana, Antscha, Tyger, or the other top European fighters her size.
I do think she would do much better Vs the European girls at her skill leavel like Orsi b, Ingrid, Jade from london, or the ASfilm girls, Fightstyle.
LQQKING4CATFIGHTER -- IIRC, Jasae was not an Asian Connection fighter, and never did a video for AsianC. I've never seen the Robin vs. Jasae match. Mike interviewed Jasae about fighting Janeth in Manila, but as you say, it never happened. Jasae would have been interesting to some degree, but IMO she was the wrong fighter. First, she was not blond. Second, she had fake tits, and I just never dig fake tits. I always have to do a lot of soul-searching before I buy a video with a fake-boob fighter in it. Just one fake-boob babe will basically ruin the whole thing for me, so I almost always do that only if it's a blonde/asian thing. Third, Jasae was a little too skilled. She almost beat the much larger pro wrestler Candi Divine in a match for Women Warriors, although it has to be said, Candi wasn't much of a catfighter. She got soundly thumped by the other chick she wrestled. Anyway, Jasae was probably too much for Janeth or anyone except Lonnie to handle.
Dragonlily vs. the DWW babes is a fabulous idea. I think she would do very well. I'm sure Sketch and some others would love to see her in a Trib match over there, too.
Mike Sold the Jasea Vs Robin match on his site. Have the match myself.
I agree Robin being blond and more natural girl at the time of the shoot 89-91 timeframe, would have been a better fit.
Mike set up the match as the American asian conn Champ match in LA. Was a good match-up, more wrestling then Catfighting. Jasea had far more training at that time.
If Robin made the trip, think she would not have been able to deal with the feirce real catfight attacks of the top Asian Conn girls and would have lost the match vs the Manila Champ. She might have out wrestled some of the lesser Asian Conn girls. Would have been interesting. I see Robin more as a wrestler and not Catfighter back then. Now she is BJJ.
I think a better pick for the trip at that time was Candy the small blond that would fight Santana for California Suprem, she was untrained natural catfighter that loved slapping, hairpulling, and nails and would have had some crazy fights in Manila!!!
Candy was one of the girls that made scripted fights close to becoming all out fights.
On the Robin/Jasae match, I get you. '88-'91 was after my AC time, so that's why I didn't see it.
Robin would have been interesting in Manila. I'm not sure mere hairpulling would have been enough to trump her wrestling skills and raw strength. That is, unless the rules changed for AC by that time and more extreme tactics were allowed.
I'm not familiar with this Candy, but I like the sound of her. I just hope that someone, someday, takes some blond beauties to Manila, etc., and we'll see what happens. ;)
Quote from: LQQKING4CATFIGHTER on July 24, 2010, 07:48:54 PM
Bruce, Please go back and read the orginal Question... are Asians just weaker than other girls?
That question in it's self is thinking in racial terms, so yes my answer is going to be in racial terms as you say. Why am I being singled out?
I love asian women and have dated many, I've also dated hot Blonds that I loved. So really don't want one race to win over the other, but do enjoy seeing 2 women from different Cultural backgrounds meet on the mat. Nothing gets me going more then to see a fighter fly from one country to another and test herself, having a little national pride on the line.
I do not agree 100% with what you shoot, but do not attack your fetishs. Some people would question you on why the winner of a Wrestling match must use a dildo on loser, Who are you to question me?
I think should go back and read what has been writen ealier and then post a message people would enjoy to reading and not just a personal attack.
I had read every post in the thread. Had you? If you had you might have chosen to express your thoughts about individuals, not as a generalization about the races. Or at least you should have expected me to come back at you for having done so after all the thread up till now was about the foolishness and inanity of categorizing people that way. If so you might also have phrased your original answer in non-racial terms, as you did the second time through, where it is precise and valuable rather than vague and useless. You might thank me for enabling you to clarify your thinking around non-racial lines. It dramatically improved your contribution to the thread.
Bruce, Please get off you high horse... You use race as a selling point yourself... Many of your matches are sold as Asian Vs Blond or Black Vs White matches.
You are just as guilty as me in thinking in racial terms for using the womens race as a selling point.
Joanne, Sorry to hear you lost your match in NYC, was following the build up to your second match on Myspace.
The asian girl in NYC shows that some asian fighters think of Blond fighters as being weaker fighters. She has posted all over her Myspace that Blond girls are weak and can not beat her. What did she do in the fight to make you now afraid of her? What fighters would you compare her with in skill? How do you think she would do if fought at one of the DWW events?
It's true Dragonlily has beat many girls in Ultmite Surrender, but think that a top European fighter like Xana would have little trouble beating the same girls. If she fought Xana today, I think she would stand little chance to beat her.
Crash, Robin post 1995 would be to strong and skilled for the asian conn girls to stand a chance vs her, but Robin pre- 1995 would have trouble dealing with a Asian Conn girls that would drag her down by the hair and most likely slapping her silly into submission.
Quote from: LQQKING4CATFIGHTER on July 26, 2010, 03:35:57 PM
Bruce, Please get off you high horse... You use race as a selling point yourself... Many of your matches are sold as Asian Vs Blond or Black Vs White matches.
You are just as guilty as me in thinking in racial terms for using the womens race as a selling point.
Lqqking my friend,
I believe what you meant to say was "thank you for being one of the very few producers in North America to feature so many interracial matches over the years".
There is obviously a huge difference between promoting a match as being between women of different racial backgrounds and generalizing about the relative fighting characteristics of the different races. Do people like to see women of different races fight? Many do, so what is wrong with promoting an interracial match as being interracial?
I don't care if customers buy my content because they want to see their personal biases played out for them on video. That is not what they get when the work is unscripted. Its simply one woman against another. But I have never promoted a match as being between of
stereotypes of the races. If you like to watch women of European descent vs. those of African, Latin-American, or Asian descent, hell yes! But if you want a perpetration of stereotypical thinking that supports your own biases, its pretty clear that we don't cater to your desires.
A lot of us, me included, enjoy watch women of all different types do battle and we can appreciate it on whatever personal level we want to. But two things will always get me to react: generalizing about races due to the behavior or actions of individuals, and illegal pirating of content (any one's content).
perpetration of stereotypical thinking that supports your own biases????? Please tell me what I've said on this board that fits that statment. Please copy and paste the statement from me that really pissed you off?
Quote from: LQQKING4CATFIGHTER on July 27, 2010, 03:41:16 AM
perpetration of stereotypical thinking that supports your own biases????? Please tell me what I've said on this board that fits that statment. Please copy and paste the statement from me that really pissed you off?
I am not and have not been pissed off. Its not about you or me. The title of the thread is offensive because it tries to phrase the entire discussion in racial terms. Your post stating that Dragonlily had lost to several White wrestlers at US follows exactly that mentality. Why couldn't you have stated she lost to several of the top wrestlers at US when you were trying to make the point that she would not fare so well against the best European wrestlers? When you re-phrased, naming specific wrestlers you think are better, you elevated the discussion above the narrow, mindless "Are Asians weaker...?" cast the originator intended.
No one else contributing to the thread has done so in the terms the originator intended; its all been about specific wrestlers or companies and their experiences. That makes a good thread IMHO.
Relax I am not your enemy and I am not upset with you or anyone else. We're all better served when we reject generalizations and deal with specifics, wouldn't you agree?
Quote from: CrashCorrigan on July 26, 2010, 01:35:47 PM
On the Robin/Jasae match, I get you. '88-'91 was after my AC time, so that's why I didn't see it.
Robin would have been interesting in Manila. I'm not sure mere hairpulling would have been enough to trump her wrestling skills and raw strength. That is, unless the rules changed for AC by that time and more extreme tactics were allowed.
I'm not familiar with this Candy, but I like the sound of her. I just hope that someone, someday, takes some blond beauties to Manila, etc., and we'll see what happens. ;)
Not to get off topic (even though I am), Candi actually has a match on Ringmaster girls which is pretty good and seems pretty realistic to me (as do most of their matches). I'd recommend it. Her California Surpreme matches are great too, I have one or two that are amazing.
SketchArtiste... Are you talking about anything I wrote? If Yes, Please let me know what, so can defend myself. If not me, should let the other person know, so they can respond.
Bruce... please explain from what you have read from my posts that make you write "perpetration of stereotypical thinking that supports your own biases, its pretty clear that we don't cater to your desires".
What are my biases?
What stereotypical thinking have I writen?
SketchArtiste... Bruce is directly writing about me. I have no idea were he gets his ideas about my thinking and would love for him to point them out.
Quote from: LQQKING4CATFIGHTER on July 28, 2010, 03:49:43 AM
SketchArtiste... Bruce is directly writing about me. I have no idea were he gets his ideas about my thinking and would love for him to point them out.
LQQK,
In this entire thread I made exactly one statement
to you, and
NONE about you. I apologize for the inadequacies of my language skills but again, its not about you. Please let it go.
Interesting observations, Lauren. We might view things exactly the opposite in the States, perhaps because we're only now beginning to see a real influx of Indian and Pakistani people. Our empire never included them, whereas for you Brits, India was "The Jewel In The Crown." But I was lucky to grow up in a multiracial neighborhood in Chicago, and back in those days, when I hunted for food with a tribe of Cro-Magnons, it was understood that the hottest girl at our school was Ranjaka Patel. She was like a runway model. But I never saw an Indian girl in a fight, and never thought of them as tough. By contrast, we had several Japanese girls with attitude. Never saw them fight, either, but I always figured they'd be toughies, in part because most of them had fairly thick, muscular legs.
It should be said that I've also been to Sasebo, Japan, and the women distinguished themselves as, on average, the tiniest I had ever seen, equivalent in height to a smallish American 12 year old girl. Seriously, I was at a mall and I towered over all of them. Japanese-American girls were so much bigger. Sure, some of the Japanese women were what I'd call average-sized, but the overall smallness was remarkable, maybe 3 inches shorter than American women, on average. Now that would be a good place to look for an easy win. ;)
The Catfighting and Female Fight sceen in Japan is hard the figure out...
They Dominate the Light to mid Weight Roman-Greco Wrestling hands down, with 1 girl that has never lost a match. They also pruduced a number of Champ Boxers.
Their Catfighters and Submssion Wresters are more untrained model types. Girly sexy matches and not trained Top competitive.
They pruduce some of the best Big Breasted matches, far better then Napali.
The Catfights have more Breast and crotch attacks then Western countries. I've heard the Underground sceen is very intence with the use of nails, but have never seen the matches myself.
My dream would be to see a untrained Big Breasted Western fighter fight Competitive in Japan.
I'd love to learn more info on the Japanese sceen. Is there a Japanese DWW? That would be hot!!!!
As for Indian Catfighters... There seems to be many Stories and Polls on this site that have Indian fighters, also Bollywood loves a good catfight sceen. I think India is were the USA was in the 1960's with the Catfight and Wrestling fetish. It's in Art, Stories, and Movies. Not in the open for real live matches yet.
It will be interesting to see how fast the Catfight world grows in India with Computers, compared to USA during 70's thru 80's with no computers. Bet we will see some great stuff coming out of India 10 years from now.
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I have a hot Asian girlfriend (Chinese) who's a bad ass fighter. But she is rather small and I'd never put her up against a big girl, even though I know she wouldn't back down.
I think most of the scripted video's just assume the viewer want's to see the Asian get her ass beat.
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ASIANS FIGHT HARD SO IF AN IRL FIGHT HAPPENED BETWEEN WHITE AND ASIAN IS STRONGER
Its because Asians make the cutest moans.
ABSOLUTLY!!!! AND THE OPEN HAND SLAPS STING LIKE HELL