why did ronda got beat up so badly? I never thought e female could kick ronda's ass, especially so badly. I think this defeat js a huge blow to her pride
Karma - she refused to touch gloves before the match, refused to shake hands after another match and on and on. I'm far from a MMA expert but why on earth did she try to box with a professional boxer?
Another thing, I think it is a lot clearer now that the woman's division, aside from maybe Tate, was very weak and thin.
Finally, I hope there was a legitimate, medical reason why she didn't go to the post-fight press conference - did the IFC not want their fans to see Rousey so messed up? (Remmebee that her last opponent, Berthe Correreia (sp?) was also knocked out but she appeared, welts and bruises and all.
Quote from: Markleilani on November 16, 2015, 03:48:19 PM
Karma - she refused to touch gloves before the match, refused to shake hands after another match and on and on. I'm far from a MMA expert but why on earth did she try to box with a professional boxer?
Another thing, I think it is a lot clearer now that the woman's division, aside from maybe Tate, was very weak and thin.
Finally, I hope there was a legitimate, medical reason why she didn't go to the post-fight press conference - did the IFC not want their fans to see Rousey so messed up? (Remmebee that her last opponent, Berthe Correreia (sp?) was also knocked out but she appeared, welts and bruises and all.
I think it is all quite simple, Ronda is an arrogant, disrespectful bitch who finally got her ass handed to her. Although she is still a great fighter imo, she lacks class and has demonstrated that time and time again.
I think it was rigged, a set up
I tend to agree with the prefight BS being rigged, but I think Ronda just plain got her ass kicked. If anything, I believe a few of Ronda's previous fights, especially vs Davis, were premature stoppages. I never believed Ronda's striking or striking defense was up to par and have always said she would lose to a real striker. I do believe Dana was riding the Ronda bandwagon and may have influenced some of those stoppages, but recently fell off for whatever reason.
I'm not an expert, but I've been around competition for a lot of my life and the biggest thing I noticed was that she seemed incredibly flustered after the first few minutes of the opening round.
She seemed absolutely intent on getting in Holm's face and fucking her up, and when it wasn't going her way and she started getting tagged you could really see it get to her.
To me, it almost looked like she was really trying to defend her ego in there. She didn't just wanna win, she wanted to destroy Holm, like she's destroyed people before her. The crowd would burst into cheers after Holly tagged her with a counter punch of a straight shot, and I think Ronda may have been feeling a bit humiliated and kept forcing the issue.
It almost seemed like, in her mind at that point, it would be enough to just win the fight with a submission (not saying she would have, just saying in her mind). She *had* to prove herself the better striker on some conscious/subconscious level, so she get kept coming in, forcing the issue and getting battered.
Basically, she had no composure at all in there and allowed herself to tunnel on something that clearly wasn't working.
I think Holly went home with Ronda's man and fucked his brains out. That's the real reason Ronda's won't come out of hiding.
Ronda to me looked way too bulky and not in great shape. I think her ego got in the way and she wanted to prove she could out strike a boxer and didn't just want to submit her by arm bar. How she comes back will be interesting. Gina Carano never recovered from her defeat by Chris Cyborg
Rousey started believing her own press or advertisement. Especially the part about her boxing skills compared to Floyd Mayweather or even taking him on. Rousey is a bully and was bound to be beaten hard. Cyborg would have beaten her just as badly. Rousey faced an opponent that can hit harder than she can and Rousey could not last barely a round with an equal in the ring.
Quote from: hotknockout2001 on November 16, 2015, 06:32:24 PM
I think it was rigged, a set up
That's crazy. Holly absolutely punched the crap out of Ronda.
The marks on Ronda's face weren't make up. The blood oozing out of her mouth as she lay on the mat motionless and glassy-eyed without even reacting to those final blows from Holly didn't come out of one of those fake blood capsules WWE wrestlers tuck into their cheeks before a show. It was real blood, and Ronda took a real beating.
And that beating is an unmitigated disaster for both Ronda and the UFC. She was their biggest drawing fighter, hyped to an unprecedented degree. Dana White had millions of gullible fans, mainly American, believing that Ronda was not only the best female bantamweight MMA fighter in the world, but the best fighter in the world, period. Male or female, pound for pound, Ronda was tougher than any of them, in the octagon or in a street fight.
Holly shattered that illusion, and even if Ronda comes back and avenges her defeat, she will never be viewed in the same way again by the millions of fans who swallowed it whole.
And the trick won't twice. Holly Holm is an exceptionally good little fighter, but she's been ko'd and beaten in her career, and everybody knows she is not invincible.
If Dana White got up on his podium and said "Holly Holm would beat Floyd Mayweather JR in 17 seconds" he would be howled down in derision by the same people who swallowed that bullshit whole when he said it about Ronda.
As George Dubya said: "You fooled me once ... shame on you? ... You fooled me ... I can't get fooled again."
Quote from: shefightsgirls on November 22, 2015, 03:24:09 AM
Rousey started believing her own press or advertisement. Especially the part about her boxing skills compared to Floyd Mayweather or even taking him on. Rousey is a bully and was bound to be beaten hard. Cyborg would have beaten her just as badly. Rousey faced an opponent that can hit harder than she can and Rousey could not last barely a round with an equal in the ring.
I agree with the bolded. Ronda said that she had fallen in love with the sport of boxing, and had been training with boxers, in boxing gyms, to prepare for her fight with Holly. I think Dana White had made that crazy statement about Mayweather, and Ronda had agreed with him, so many times that they actually started to believe it.
Ronda had been featured on the cover of Ring magazine, the "bible of boxing". Dana White and Oscar De la Hoya, one of the biggest promotors in boxing, were talking about co-promoting Ronda in boxing matches.
Matching her with Holly Holm, one of the best known female boxers in the world, before she switched to MMA, was meant to set the scene for that.
And Ronda, of course, was meant to beat Holly, and beat her with stand-up punches, not her usual trade mark hip toss and arm-bar.
I read many articles at boxing sites saying that if Ronda tried to stand up and trade punches with Holly, she would get slaughtered. Surely she wouldn't be crazy enough to try it?
But that was exactly what she did. She and her team believed their own hype, and by the time Ronda realised her game plan wasn't going to work, it was to late.
I don't agree with you say about Ronda being a bully though. Bullies crumble when their bluff gets called and a percieved victim turns out to be tougher than they expected.
Ronda didn't crumble. She kept going after Holly, trying to turn the tide, even though she was being hurt badly by those vicious southpaw straight left hands Holly was catching her with over and over again.
If nothing else, she proved she has heart and a take a punch well.
Ronda or Dana White saying that she is 'the best fighter in the world' is like saying the Titanic is unsinkable. Every boat can sink, every fighte will lose. Rousey is weak where Holm is strong, and for some unaccountable reason Rousey played Holm's game. and Holm played her own game; no way Rousey could win that.
Rousey went to the hospital because it is standard procedure to check for concussion when a fighter is knocked unconscious. Rousey will be back, and she will win. To say Rousey is not a great fighter is as foolish as saying she is invincible. Why isn't that obvious at this point?
The most interesting question has not changed. Who will fight who, and when? Tate deserves to be first in line to fight Holm, after being cheated by Dana White out of the promised chance to fight Ronda for the championship. I imagine Miesha is grinding her teeth thinking that it would have been her to unseat the RR legend if she had gotten that fight. Rousey and Cyborg can put the tiresome hype away and fight at a 140lb catchweight, now that Ronda can no longer dodge her by saying Cyborg has to fight at her wieght because she is the champion. Yes, Cyborg should have to meed the bantamweight division standards to fight in that division. But, damnit, the Cyborg/ Rousey fight just NEEDS to happen.
I look forward to seeing what kind of a champion Holly Holm will make. It will be fascinating to watch Ronda manically going after her former prominence. Let's not put metaphysical weight on all this; it will be real challenge, quality fighting, and that is all that is needed to make it worthwhile.
Quote from: kafkod on November 24, 2015, 03:09:47 AM
Quote from: hotknockout2001 on November 16, 2015, 06:32:24 PM
I think it was rigged, a set up
That's crazy. Holly absolutely punched the crap out of Ronda.
The marks on Ronda's face weren't make up. The blood oozing out of her mouth as she lay on the mat motionless and glassy-eyed without even reacting to those final blows from Holly didn't come out of one of those fake blood capsules WWE wrestlers tuck into their cheeks before a show. It was real blood, and Ronda took a real beating.
And that beating is an unmitigated disaster for both Ronda and the UFC. She was their biggest drawing fighter, hyped to an unprecedented degree. Dana White had millions of gullible fans, mainly American, believing that Ronda was not only the best female bantamweight MMA fighter in the world, but the best fighter in the world, period. Male or female, pound for pound, Ronda was tougher than any of them, in the octagon or in a street fight.
Holly shattered that illusion, and even if Ronda comes back and avenges her defeat, she will never be viewed in the same way again by the millions of fans who swallowed it whole.
And the trick won't twice. Holly Holm is an exceptionally good little fighter, but she's been ko'd and beaten in her career, and everybody knows she is not invincible.
If Dana White got up on his podium and said "Holly Holm would beat Floyd Mayweather JR in 17 seconds" he would be howled down in derision by the same people who swallowed that bullshit whole when he said it about Ronda.
As George Dubya said: "You fooled me once ... shame on you? ... You fooled me ... I can't get fooled again."
To add to this, I think something that really propelled the myth about her being able to beat Floyd along is the fact that she's known for her judo. To the casual fan, while they couldn't conceive of the best female fighter beating the best male fighter in the same discipline they likely had the perception that if she could manage to take him to the ground she could win due to the difference in styles.
Rousey got completely exposed as a one dimensional thug who has been protected for years. A few points about the fight and the BS going into it.
1. Dana White has spent YEARS telling every male fighter on the face of the earth that Rousey could take them easily. (Most infamously Ortiz and Mayweather and even Mike Tyson.) There has NEVER been one shred of evidence that suggests that Rousey has EVER beaten men in a legitimate fight, (which White has also tried to claim,) nor so I believe she would stand a chance.
2. This is exactly what would have happened had Rousey fought Mayweather. His entire style is based on speed and jabbing and Rousey has never had that kind of conditioning and this was exposed for all the world to see against Holm.
3. She acted like a spoiled bitch who was Mike Tyson, Sly Stallone, Arnold and Vin Diesel rolled into one and this has been her MO for about 3-4 fights now. Eventually even the tomato cans White was feeding her were going to get tired of her act and actually try to beat her.
4. This wasn't a work. Rousey spent several days in hospital and the condition of her face was NOT what happens in a worked fight. I don't see her having a bright future in movies unless they are the direct to video variety where I think she could be the next Cynthia Rothrock. But at the big studio theatrical level? Please. If Lucy Lawless, Vivica A. Fox or Sarah Michelle Gellar couldn't crack the glass ceiling, Rousey has no chance.
The notion that Ronda Rousey would throw this fight is absurd. She did not say how the fight would on Fallon. She said 'keep distance and keep far away from me and get me frustrated, until a point I'll make a mistake and she can try and kick me in the head, but it's not going to go like that.' She was making an excuse in case she would have got caught by lucky a leg kick. That is not what happened in that fight. Ronda as Rogan kept saying "is getting lit up". That fight was over before that leg kick. The only thing that was going to happen was more straight lefts to Ronda's face if that kick did not end that fight. I give Ronda big credit for taking those shots and kept coming even though she did not know where she was.
Rousey fought judo at 155. She started MMA at 145. She ducked Cyborg to fight for the Strikeforce 135 title and continued that into UFC. Holm is the first person she's fought in years that was as big as Rousey naturally. Holm boxed at 139-145 for much of her career. She's also a highly skilled boxer/kickboxer with actual footwork. Rousey hadn't faced someone her own size with actual professional fighting skill outside of MMA. She's a bully who didn't have a plan B. She won't win the rematch either.