Some answers to questions about ECC. I am the sole owner of ECC, but others do most of the work. They run my website, price my videos and handle any download problems when they occur. I also have a Clips 4 Sale site #15247 with clips as low as $3 up to about $15.. Still another person handles my clips site, and after a hiatus of six months, she will be uploading more clips soon. The same lady is my videographer and uses a Canon Mark 11 5d camera. This HD camera and accessories cost about $3000. and is an upgrade over the camera used previously. I've released 100 videos and currently have about forty more videos shot, but yet to be released. A few of the forty were filmed awhile ago with the older camera, but many were with the newer camera. My main and most enjoyable function with ECC is recruiting new ladies to the world of cat fighting. Several new ladies are in the forty videos yet to be released. There also will be some returning viewer favorites, and maybe even a real surprise. John
If michelle and Irish are returning please let them fight each other again.
It's unfortunate this fine producer felt compelled to discuss their operations, in response to the defamatory posts of a handful of petulant whiners.
This wonderful site provides catfight fans with a forum for sharing opinions and criticisms - both positive and negative - of catfight videos.
But we must take care that we don't pass the point at which criticism becomes slander.
I've purchased and enjoyed many, many ECC productions, and I sincerely hope this producer will continue to entertain us with their catfight productions.
Quote from: flapper on July 18, 2015, 02:58:06 PM
If michelle and Irish are returning please let them fight each other again.
Irish vs Tori!
Irish vs anybody would be awesome! But yeah, she would be a great opponent for Tori. Other favourites I would like to see coming back include 3 of Irish's old foes, Bianca, Regina, and Johanna. Also Lexie and Scarlett.
ECC are a unique producer. Nobody else films hair pulling, face slapping catfights between untrained girls who just come in off the street and fight, usually for over 20 mins, without any rounds or breaks unless one submits.
They may not be everyone's cup of tea - what producer is? But ECC have been doing what they do and selling it for nearly 10 years now, so they must be getting something right.
It's amazing how many women new to fighting John has recruited to ECC.
Quote from: East Coast Cats on July 18, 2015, 06:06:16 AM
Some answers to questions about ECC. I am the sole owner of ECC, but others do most of the work. They run my website, price my videos and handle any download problems when they occur. I also have a Clips 4 Sale site #15247 with clips as low as $3 up to about $15..
But most of the catfight videos you advertise in the producer's section on this forum are priced between $27 to $30 recently.
Quote from: East Coast Cats on July 18, 2015, 06:06:16 AMThe same lady is my videographer and uses a Canon Mark 11 5d camera. This HD camera and accessories cost about $3000. and is an upgrade over the camera used previously.
I film with a Panasonic TZ60 digital super zoom compact camera which gained the best compact camera of the year award in 2014. It cost $500. This camera shoots videos in full HD 1920 x 1080p (16:9) with Dolby Digital stereo, it can also shoot in 50fps compared to the Canon camera you use which shoots in 30fps. The image quality of the videos I film are far superior to the videos I have seen recently from ECC that my friend purchased, which are clearly not in HD (ECC99 & ECC89). That said, the Canon Mark II 5D is an excellent camera that should be shooting videos in a far higher quality to what you release to the public. This is puzzling to me, and I genuinely wish to help you as I am a fan of ECC and its catfight productions. So anything I can suggest to improve your product, I'll be happy to help you out with John as cameras and being a videographer are my hobby.
I'm guessing one of two things:
1) The person who does the filming for you is filming in the SD 640 x 480 (4:3) mode on the Canon camera. Though the camera is capable of filming in a far more advanced picture and sound quality (HD 1920 x 1080 (16:9) ), the camera person has failed to switch the camera to this HD mode and is still filming in standard non HD. I notice your videos are still in (4:3) as opposed to (16:9) [widescreen], the latter being the HD mode on your Canon camera. Perhaps this is why although your most recent videos are an improvement on the old VHS camcorder converted videos, your camera person has failed to switch the camera to HD widescreen mode when he/she films the catfights. This would explain the washed out grainy appearance of your recent releases as they are in SD not HD.
2) Another possible explanation of why your videos still have a washed out grainy appearance when compared to HD videos from Suitefights, Fighting Dolls, and Foxy Combat is that the person who is responsible for doing your editing is unnecessarily degrading the original HD footage in the editing process to reduce file size for upload to Clips4sale, or for some other reason when converting the original HD footage. So even though you may be filming in HD, the final edited video released to the public is clearly not in HD, and is also in (4:3) as opposed to widescreen (16:9).
What I know personally being a cameraman myself who has shot thousands of hours of footage, and what other companies have demonstrated, an HD video file does not have to be degraded at the editing stage to non HD in order for it to be uploaded to Clips4sale.
I hope some of the above helps John, as it does seem you have HD equipment, but the customer is clearly not purchasing HD videos from ECC at the moment. :)
Quote from: East Coast Cats on July 18, 2015, 06:06:16 AMMy main and most enjoyable function with ECC is recruiting new ladies to the world of cat fighting. Several new ladies are in the forty videos yet to be released. There also will be some returning viewer favorites, and maybe even a real surprise. John
All sounds very good. Glad to hear you are still enjoying what you do John. Have we lost Lexi now, she was a legend at ECC.
The compliment to ECC comes across less than sincere when followed by the same complaint stated over and over and over. Seems like a real agenda to discredit.
Clips4Sale store #15247 Over 150 ECC clips ranging from $3. to $15.. Real fights with attractive girls.
Quote from: walker on July 20, 2015, 09:43:17 PM
The compliment to ECC comes across less than sincere when followed by the same complaint stated over and over and over. Seems like a real agenda to discredit.
Oh now come on Cerberus, that's a bit unfair and detached from reality. It sounds more like you've had your nose rubbed in your own dog muck and don't like it, #sourgrapes, are you involved in the editing at ECC by any chance?
You know that based on my wording I love ECC, and it's many classic catfights. It's not a 'complaint' by the way, it's two statements of fact that can be backed up empirically with factual evidence. 1) ECC charges very expensive prices for it's full videos compared to other catfight companies, (not it's clips, it's full 30 minute videos are what I am specifically referring to. Quoting clips prices from Clips4sale is irrelevant to what I am pointing out here. ECC on this forum primarily advertise the expensive full 30 minute videos, if you don't believe me, have a read of John's posts.
Now what I'm actually doing as opposed to having any form of anti ECC agenda as you erroneously insinuate, is offering help. I'm indicating two possible reasons why ECC videos are filmed with a HD camera, but the customer doesn't get a HD video on purchase. That's me as a professional cameraman helping a little cottage industry production company, it's not hating on it. Just pointing out something that could help you.
Secondly, the price, it is comparatively expensive, and no quotes of $5 clips will help you undermine what I wrote, because what I wrote is specifically aimed at the expensive full video price not your clips of that full video. Let's be clear on that.
Now you can either play the bruised ego game with me and assume no producer must ever be constructively be criticized. Or you can actually read from what I wrote, (it's good stuff, I know what I'm talking about, it's my job) and learn from it. It's completely up to you Walker, this is only the second time I have ever spoken to you, once in a private message and once here in this message now.
You can be silly and accuse a genuine fan of ECC of having an agenda, but at every step I will prove you wrong because you are actually wrong, and truth always trumps paranoia and lies in this game. Try me.
I'd prefer to help ECC though, I love the product, the women are fantastic, the action brilliant, but the people who are involved in the filming and editing to put it politely are fucking clueless. Not John's fault really.
Thanks
Ade
We've been over this same issue with pricing in another thread.
Repeating what was said there, the price of ECC videos, $1 per minute of playtime, is the same as the standard price for femfight videos.
Obviously, if you purchase a full fight download, lasting 30/35 mins, it's going to cost you more than a short clip, from ECC or any other producer.
Regarding picture quality, ECC downloads are not in full HD, and maybe they could be, if shot with an HD camera. But the picture quality of the recently filmed fights is not bad. Better, in fact, than you get from some other producers who charge the same price, per minute of playtime, as ECC.
What can't speak can't lie. This is a vidcap I made from the latest ECC release, so this is the same picture quality you get if you buy the download:
(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/11760051_1464955210492376_4834620504715319364_n.jpg?oh=ef1391bc7cf1bfcc199a0b68a50dd8f2&oe=5653119D)
A catfight video product is not like fruit and vegetables where the price is dictated by the quantity. The price is arbitrarily chosen by the producer regardless of quantity i.e. length. I've pointed this error out in your reasoning in another thread too Kafkod. If what you were saying was correct, I could film a 5 hour roll about pillow fight in non HD footage and sell it on Clips4sale for $50, and if any twit dared criticise my product for being overpriced, I would quote the 'Kafkod rule' back at them and point out they are getting a good value non HD pillow fight, and their criticism is insincere and must obviously have an agenda behind it.
Regarding ECC'S continued standard definition non HD public releases. I've already covered that and none of what you say, contradicts what I say, if you re read what I originally wrote:
Quote from: Ade.Scottsdale on July 20, 2015, 06:58:47 AMI notice your videos are still in (4:3) as opposed to (16:9) [widescreen], the latter being the HD mode on your Canon camera. Perhaps this is why although your most recent videos are an improvement on the old VHS camcorder converted videos, your camera person has failed to switch the camera to HD widescreen mode when he/she films the catfights. This would explain the washed out grainy appearance of your recent releases as they are in SD not HD.
2) Another possible explanation of why your videos still have a washed out grainy appearance when compared to HD videos from Suitefights, Fighting Dolls, and Foxy Combat is that the person who is responsible for doing your editing is unnecessarily degrading the original HD footage in the editing process to reduce file size for upload to Clips4sale...
I, like yourself, could cite loads of videos on Clips4sale that are poorer video quality than ECC, but this is not a debate about who has the worst image quality videos, it's me pointing something out to a producer, i.e. offering help as a cameraman myself to really improve the video quality either at the filming or editing stage.
It's such a simple and easy thing to do. It's got nothing to do with ECC bashing, it's got more to do with a fan of ECC who knows more about camera work and whose friends work in video editing for television spotting that the Canon HD equipment they are using is not producing 16:9 HD footage as the end product.
And by the way, I've helped two other catfight companies on this same subject too. They listened, and my advice enabled them to now sell their products in glorious full HD.
Of course there is also the option to paint me as an agenda driven ECC hater who fails to recognize the great value of their expensive, albeit non HD products. And if that's the case, I'll just have to exit stage left and accept that sometimes, it's important to allow some people to continue in their belief that the Earth is flat. To argue with them is akin to barking back at a dog. Futile and pointless.
http://clips4sale.com/15247 Clips store for East Coast Cats where clips range in price from $3.-$15.. Most clips end with a submission, and some have more than one submission. The owner has stated many more clips will be added soon at the same bargain prices.
Ade has his "panties and bra" on so tight he can't acknowledge the truth. Here's the truth Mr. Panties, ECC shoots in HD, ECC's average price of their clips that is $7.99 (these clips are to a submission over 90 pct. of the time), and ECC videos do not sell for the high price you mentioned.
Quote from: shana on July 26, 2015, 08:32:03 PM
Ade has his "panties and bra" on so tight he can't acknowledge the truth. Here's the truth Mr. Panties, ECC shoots in HD, ECC's average price of their clips that is $7.99 (these clips are to a submission over 90 pct. of the time), and ECC videos do not sell for the high price you mentioned.
Nope, that's not the truth actually.
The fights may be filmed in HD, (I've highlighted this possibility previously). But they are clearly not sold as HD after editing, i.e. 16:9 720p or 16:9 1080p videos when customers purchase and download them at the moment. The customer purchases a 4:3 standard definition video, probably due to it being compressed and processed at the editing stage to reduce file size.
Regarding the price, you are incorrect there too. ECC's last advertised full catfight video in the producers section of this forum posted by John on 15th July was ECC 100, Charlie vs Marylin. The price of that specific video is $30.15 according to CCBill, but around $27.00 if you are based in the USA I've been told.
Take a look for yourself:
(https://s4ck.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fist3-1.filesor.com%2Fpimpandhost.com%2F7%2F7%2F1%2F9%2F77198%2F3%2F4%2Fj%2Fj%2F34jjB%2FExpensive%2520East%2520Coast%2520Cats.jpg&hash=25863304fe76a6264c34667d2490dc73a54a59ad)
Quote from: Ade.Scottsdale on July 26, 2015, 08:57:23 PM
Quote from: shana on July 26, 2015, 08:32:03 PM
Ade has his "panties and bra" on so tight he can't acknowledge the truth. Here's the truth Mr. Panties, ECC shoots in HD, ECC's average price of their clips that is $7.99 (these clips are to a submission over 90 pct. of the time), and ECC videos do not sell for the high price you mentioned.
Nope, that's not the truth actually.
The fights may be filmed in HD, (I've highlighted this possibility previously). But they are clearly not sold as HD after editing, i.e. 16:9 720p or 16:9 1080p videos when customers purchase and download them at the moment. The customer purchases a 4:3 standard definition video, probably due to it being compressed and processed at the editing stage to reduce file size.
Regarding the price, you are incorrect there too. ECC's last advertised full catfight video in the producers section of this forum posted by John on 15th July was ECC 100, Charlie vs Marylin. The price of that specific video is $30.15 according to CCBill, but around $27.00 if you are based in the USA I've been told.
Take a look for yourself:
That, of course, is the bill for the full fight download, not a clip.
It's 36 mins long, if I remember correctly, so it's actually a little cheaper than the industry standard of $1 per minute.
And that's angrmgmt's law, by the way, not mine. Credit where credit's due!
Oh, you're so fair in quoting prices that you only apply the add on foreign fees when it comes to ECC. What a joke this hateful man is. So you stated you stopped buying ECC videos over 18 months ago. Tell us which two your "out of the blue friend", LOL" allowed you to see at his home (covering your bases could it be you tripped up)? Hate to catch you in a (oh I won't classify it as a total lie) let's just say you got the titles confused, but go ahead panties man and tell us which two?
Quote from: kafkod on July 26, 2015, 11:15:30 PM
That, of course, is the bill for the full fight download, not a clip.
Yes Kafkod, exactly. I've never criticized the price of ECC's short clips. My original message on this subject in a separate forum thread to this in the Producers section specifically pointed out the high price of the full video, ECC short clips were never mentioned by me originally in my first message on this subject. They were however mentioned by the ECC owner and his little gang of pitchfork carriers in an attempt to hoodwink readers into thinking I was critiquing all ECC prices.
Any fool can chop up a full video and sell the separate clips for $5 each. But that doesn't interest me at all. My critique centers specifically on the full price video which US customers pay around $27 for and UK customer pay $30+ for. A very steep price for a non HD catfight video comparatively speaking. :)
And remember just because a video is 30 minutes long, that doesn't by default make it a good value video. There are some excellent videos in the ECC back catalogue, but there are also many dull, uninteresting, non competitive boring videos too. The fact that some of these poor catfights are 30 minutes long, does not save them from being poor catfights.
Quote from: shana on July 26, 2015, 11:29:29 PM
Oh, you're so fair in quoting prices that you only apply the add on foreign fees when it comes to ECC.
Not really. Take another look at what I wrote. I quote the US price too: $27. I personally pay the British price which is £20.47 which currently equates to $31.76 US dollars at the current currency exchange rates. So if anything I understated the actual cost to me at $30.15. Thanks for bringing that to my attention Shana, I didn't realize I would actually be paying $31.76 for a full length ECC video if I chose to purchase one. That's seriously expensive for one single catfight compared to other catfight producers. This strengthens my point even more. Thanks for that.
Quote from: shana on July 26, 2015, 11:29:29 PMWhat a joke this hateful man is.
I assume by 'hateful man' you mean a person who remains calm, unemotional and keeps to the facts, providing evidence to support what he is saying?
Quote from: shana on July 26, 2015, 11:29:29 PMSo you stated you stopped buying ECC videos over 18 months ago. Tell us which two your "out of the blue friend", LOL" allowed you to see at his home (covering your bases could it be you tripped up)?
I already have stated the two videos I watched at my friend's house when I last visited oh Grand Inquisitor. Did you not read that particular message thread? Go take a look and discover which two videos I viewed. Because I'm certainly not going to wipe your arse a second time you peevish emotionally disturbed hateful little man.
Quote from: shana on July 26, 2015, 11:29:29 PMHate to catch you in a (oh I won't classify it as a total lie) let's just say you got the titles confused, but go ahead panties man and tell us which two?
Why would I lie about watching two ECC catfight videos at my friends house? Now go run as fast as your little feet will take you and read my post from 20th July to locate the two videos I viewed, I also sent a polite private message to your little chum Walker indicating the two ECC videos too.
By the way, now that I have indicated which two ECC videos I watched, could I ask why you asked me to specify which two videos I watched? What is your motivation and purpose for that question that I have answered on 20th July and in a private PM to Walker? Care to elaborate on your reasons for asking this question? Or are you scared to do so?I'm guessing you're one of these PCTs aren't you? [Paranoid Conspiracy Theorist] as you seem to jump to huge conclusions without any evidence and seem to get nearly everything wrong which I keep having to correct you on.
And you think you're doing East Coast Cats a favour posting threateningly toned messages like this on a public forum? You're about as scary as Coco the Clown. ;)
Quote from: Ade.Scottsdale on July 27, 2015, 12:14:29 AM
Quote from: kafkod on July 26, 2015, 11:15:30 PM
That, of course, is the bill for the full fight download, not a clip.
Yes Kafkod, exactly. I've never criticized the price of ECC's short clips. My original message on this subject in a separate forum thread to this in the Producers section specifically pointed out the high price of the full video, ECC short clips were never mentioned by me originally in my first message on this subject. They were however mentioned by the ECC owner and his little gang of pitchfork carriers in an attempt to hoodwink readers into thinking I was critiquing all ECC prices.
Any fool can chop up a full video and sell the separate clips for $5 each. But that doesn't interest me at all. My critique centers specifically on the full price video which US customers pay around $27 for and UK customer pay $30+ for. A very steep price for a non HD catfight video comparatively speaking. :)
And remember just because a video is 30 minutes long, that doesn't by default make it a good value video. There are some excellent videos in the ECC back catalogue, but there are also many dull, uninteresting, non competitive boring videos too. The fact that some of these poor catfights are 30 minutes long, does not save them from being poor catfights.
It's not a steep price for a video 36 mins long. It's around the same price as you would expect to pay for a non HD video from many other producers.
And whether a catfight video is boring or exciting depends to a large extent on the taste of the person watching it.
You haven't seen this video, but I have, and I enjoyed it. So did several other fans who posted comments saying so, and none of them complained about the price
I've not said anything about how good or bad the latest video is. Just critiqued its price. Some people are comfortable and financially able to pay the high prices ECC charge for their 4:3 Standard definition catfight videos. I and many others choose not to, and take our business elsewhere. It's a real shame as ECC can make good fight videos every now and again.
And trust me, the hateful reception I've received from John's puppets is a good indication why lot's of people who are not too happy with their prices communicate purely via private messages here and elsewhere to express their dissatisfaction, as doing so publicly here will result in a McCarthyistic witch hunt by the ECC pitchfork crew to demonize all who commit the cardinal sin of even the tiniest of criticisms aimed at ECC. Not impressed TBH. Customers should feel free to express their views without such Machiavellian tactics on the part of a small group of the producer's acolytes who feverishly attempt to protect their master.
The prices below are what I would be paying for the full length videos...
East Coast Cats $31.76
Compared to...
Suitefights - $12.99 to $18.99
Catzreview - $7.99 to $13.99
BitchfightUK - $7.99 to $12.99
Fighting Dolls - $9.90 to $22.27
Foxy Combat - $21.78
Girlswrestle.com - $15.63
Quote from: Ade.Scottsdale on July 27, 2015, 01:21:19 AM
I've not said anything about how good or bad the latest video is. Just critiqued its price. Some people are comfortable and financially able to pay the high prices ECC charge for their 4:3 Standard definition catfight videos. I and many others choose not to, and take our business elsewhere. It's a real shame as ECC can make good fight videos every now and again.
And trust me, the hateful reception I've received from John's puppets is a good indication why lot's of people who are not too happy with their prices communicate purely via private messages here and elsewhere to express their dissatisfaction, as doing so publicly here will result in a McCarthyistic witch hunt by the ECC pitchfork crew to demonize all who commit the cardinal sin of even the tiniest of criticisms aimed at ECC. Not impressed TBH. Customers should feel free to express their views without such Machiavellian tactics on the part of a small group of the producer's acolytes who feverishly attempt to protect their master.
The prices below are what I would be paying for the full length videos...
East Coast Cats $31.76
Compared to...
Suitefights - $12.99 to $18.99
Catzreview - $7.99 to $13.99
BitchfightUK - $7.99 to $12.99
Fighting Dolls - $9.90 to $22.27
Foxy Combat - $21.78
Girlswrestle.com - $15.63
You do realise we have now come full circle on this discussion about ECC's prices?
That's the same list you posted over a week ago.
Do you remember me pointing out to you back then that the prices you quote there are all for videos that are much shorter than a 36 min ECC video?
Do you remember me also pointing out that to buy a video from Foxycombat or Fightingdolls for the price you quote, you have to buy 50 download tokens at the same time, which would cost you $99?
Do you remember me pointing out that if you want to buy a single, 20 minute long video from either Foxycombat or Fightingdolls it will cost you $5 to $7 dollars more than a 36 min ECC video?
If not, read what I wrote above, because I just pointed it out to you again.
The only new thing you have written here is to claim that people are too afraid to complain about ECC prices openly, so they complain to you about it "here and elsewhere" in private messages instead. LMFAO!
Ade's hate campaign is amusing. He insults the intelligence of the viewers by suggesting he means well. Eventually a snake will slither back in it's hole. Could this snake be from the failed video company?
Quote from: shana on July 27, 2015, 02:52:43 AM
Ade's hate campaign is amusing. He insults the intelligence of the viewers by suggesting he means well. Eventually a snake will slither back in it's hole. Could this snake be from the failed video company?
I've read your posting history and I was fully expecting this latest tactic due to you now back peddling. You have had all your allegations against me proven incorrect by me via my use of factual evidence. You genuinely struggle to engage me on a mature and intelligent level, you fail to keep calm and reason with what I say. When I highlight something you have said is in error, you ignore that, fail to acknowledge your error and just sling more mud. Probably because your style of writing relies too heavily on mud slinging in the hope that the person you attack will emotionally react and breach forum rules.
However, I can see now that ad hominen attacks are all that you have left in your armory. Personal attacks in response to being proven wrong. All you seem to be writing towards me now is:
1) Defamatory and derogatory posts or comments.
2) Threatening attempts at intimidation, (asking what videos I have seen at my friends in the hope of finding out my identity)
3) Bullying tactics.
4) Attempts at baiting me via a string of personal insults in the hope of forcing me to breach the same forum rules that you are engaged in prolifically breaking.
5) You also now seem to be wanting to indulge in the activity of "calling out", i.e. accusing me of being false or a poser pretending to be someone I am not.
So looking at the above, you are now in breach of 5 separate forum rules on conduct. And all because I said that ECC prices are expensive. Listen to yourself and grow up. Stop behaving like a peevish child when you are proven wrong. Do what I do, keep to the facts, remain truthful, insert a little humour, and stop slavishly following your Master John's agenda by attacking anyone who dares to commit the cardinal sin of uttering even the slightest critique of East Coast Cats. It won't work with me, your bullying tactics don't scare me. And I refuse to conform to your attempts at censorship. I shall continue to exert my freedom of speech regardless of your attempts to quieten my voice.
Other people are reading what you write, moderators and an increasing number of very intelligent forum members who have contacted me to give their support as they too recognize what you are attempting to do, it's not just me who has to read your erroneous emotional outbursts here. Others see what you are doing too.
Quote from: Ade.Scottsdale on July 27, 2015, 01:21:19 AM
The prices below are what I would be paying for the full length videos...
East Coast Cats $31.76
Compared to...
Suitefights - $12.99 to $18.99
Catzreview - $7.99 to $13.99
BitchfightUK - $7.99 to $12.99
Fighting Dolls - $9.90 to $22.27
Foxy Combat - $21.78
Girlswrestle.com - $15.63
Quote from: kafkod on July 27, 2015, 02:26:39 AMYou do realise we have now come full circle on this discussion about ECC's prices?
That's the same list you posted over a week ago.
Hi John, yes, that's exactly why I have had to post a second time a list of comparative prices of
full length catfight videos from other catfight companies to demonstrate to you how very expensive East Coast Cats videos are in comparison.
Quote from: kafkod on July 27, 2015, 02:26:39 AMDo you remember me pointing out to you back then that the prices you quote there are all for videos that are much shorter than a 36 min ECC video?
Yes I do Kafkod, I also remember explaining to you that the point you were making about the length of a video is invalid, when I stated there and elsewhere that quantity does not define the value of a catfight video.
For example, though ECC now and again make some great catfight videos, there are also many very poor 25/30 minute catfight videos in ECC's back catalogue too. These poor catfights are worth less than let's say a 5 minute full length fight video from Catzreview at a fraction of the price. I explained how it is actually quality that defines value in a catfight production not quantity. No one wants to buy a large bottle of whiskey for $30 dollars if the whiskey tastes poor. In the same way, if someone purchases one of ECC's poorer catfight titles, the fact that this poor catfight title is 30 minutes long does not escape the fact that it's still a poor catfight, if anything the 30 minutes makes it worse as you have to then watch 30 minutes of a poor catfight instead of 15 or 20. That said, personally when I have wasted my money on one of ECC's poorer catfights, I tend to just stop watching it 10 minutes in after I realize it's shite.
We haven't broached that subject yet have we John? Though I love ECC for it's great catfights. It's also produced some truly awful guff too alongside the classics. They are like all companies inconsistent in producing good catfights. They are not the untouchables as Walker/Shana et al. wish to present them as in their ineffective spin PR. :)
Quote from: kafkod on July 27, 2015, 02:26:39 AMDo you remember me also pointing out that to buy a video from Foxycombat or Fightingdolls for the price you quote, you have to buy 50 download tokens at the same time, which would cost you $99?
Yes, I do. Thanks for bringing that topic up again Kafkod, as it shows how much more cheaper Fighting Dolls is compared to East Coast Cats, and they sell far higher quality videos too. Let's use the figures you quote above shall we? That $99 will give you 50 'Denars' as you quote. So let's have some fun and take a random example of purchasing a Fighting Dolls catfight video after purchasing their cheap $99 big package. Looking at their very latest release (FD1300 Katharina vs. Susie) it's 20 minutes long, and costs 5 Denars. Now 1 Denar = $1.98 according to the figures you quote, so 5 Denars = $9.90 for 20 minutes of catfight.
Fighting Dolls $9.90 for 20 minute catfight...... East Coast Cats $31.76 for 30 minute catfight.Effectively what you've highlighted is the very reason I don't purchase East Coast Cats videos any more. For the price of one of their Standard definition non HD catfights, I could buy myself 3 superb high quality full HD catfights from Fighting Dolls. What you are pointing out here actually strengthens my point as opposed to proving it wrong.
Even at the more expensive 'small package price of $35 for 12 Denars the above video works out at $14.55 for 20 minutes. Still half the price of ECC's extortionately high price of $31.76 for a full length video.
But only a fool or extremely impatient person would purchase single videos from Fighting Dolls, when they are offering their videos at these prices when you purchase the 'Big Package'.
Quote from: kafkod on July 27, 2015, 02:26:39 AMThe only new thing you have written here is to claim that people are too afraid to complain about ECC prices openly, so they complain to you about it "here and elsewhere" in private messages instead. LMFAO!
Laughing is good, it lightens the heart. The reason I go over and repeat what I have already said, (as you can see now from what I explain above) is in response to things that you have already said previously. These things you said I proved somewhat in error, hence the need to prove again the weakness of your argument. But at least you are now speaking to me with courtesy as opposed to gritted teeth snarls from beyond the red mist and false accusations, something I observe 'Shana' has now lowered himself down to.
If anything, I'm grateful to you for again highlighting how truly expensive East Coast Cats prices are compared to other catfight production companies. Many of whom sell 16:9 HD videos to their customers compared to ECC's 4:3 standard definition more expensive productions.
Is your keyboard padded like your cell?
Quote from: shana on July 27, 2015, 04:22:16 PM
Is your keyboard padded like your cell?
What does that actually mean?
By the way, now that I have indicated which two ECC videos I watched, could I ask why you asked me to specify which two videos I watched? What is your motivation and purpose for that question that I have answered on 20th July and in a private PM to Walker? Care to elaborate on your reasons for asking this question? Or are you scared to do so?
Ade, I can't even be bothered reading any more of your bullshit in this thread, let alone replying to it, so don't expect any response to the parts of your last splurge directed at me.
All I have to say is, the price of ECC downloads is clearly displayed on the billing page. If you think they are too expensive, then don't buy them. Wait for your friend to buy them instead then go round and watch them at his house, like you said you did with the two releases previous to this one.
Quote from: kafkod on July 27, 2015, 05:32:40 PM
Ade, I can't even be bothered reading any more of your bullshit in this thread, let alone replying to it, so don't expect any response to the parts of your last splurge directed at me.
It's easy to define that which you cannot respond to as 'bullshit', i.e. the factual based comments I calmly and intelligently present above. But thanks for that John.
Quote from: kafkod on July 27, 2015, 05:32:40 PMAll I have to say is, the price of ECC downloads is clearly displayed on the billing page. If you think they are too expensive, then don't but them. Wait for your friend to buy them instead then go round and watch them at his house, like you said you did with the two releases previous to this one.
That's exactly what I've been doing for the last 18 months, not buying them because they are too expensive. To be honest, ECC videos are not really the best evening's entertainment on a large HD widescreen television for obvious technical reasons. There's so many other catfights from other producers that we can have a viewing of when we meet up.
Thanks Kafkod
Dearest Ade, May I offer you a few solutions for your mental state. A walk in the park listening to birds singing could help. Meditation can be helpful. Blueberries. Perhaps speaking with a pastor. If you're short of cash there are free clinics for ones with screwed up thought processes. There are some monasteries where the monks could offer you peaceful solitude. Deep breathing exercises. Even in your state there must be someone who cares that could steer you toward a more gentle, rational state of mind. Take care.
Is that the best you can do to avoid dealing with any of the factual evidence I present to you and the question you fear to answer. An accusation of mental health problems that you know is untrue. Your dishonesty knows no bounds.
You really do fear engaging intelligently and in a mature manner with anything I write don't you?
By the way, now that I have indicated which two ECC videos I watched, could I ask why you asked me to specify which two videos I watched? What is your motivation and purpose for that question that I have answered on 20th July and in a private PM to Walker? Care to elaborate on your reasons for asking this question? Or are you scared to do so?
I enjoy watching Irish fights with ECC, and I wish they would bring her back in the future. I enjoy watching competitive matches and she is one of my favorites at the company.
Quote from: cooper4 on August 04, 2015, 02:43:44 PM
I enjoy watching Irish fights with ECC, and I wish they would bring her back in the future. I enjoy watching competitive matches and she is one of my favorites at the company.
I second this!
I have my favourite girls with other companies, and other styles of fighting, but Irish is my favourite favourite girl, if I can put it that way.
I like her because of her prettiness, sexy attitude, and the way she seems to get under her opponents skin and make them want to fight and beat her for real.
It would be awesome to see her going up against some of ECC's new catfighters.
Quote from: rbb on July 19, 2015, 10:34:03 AM
2 questions:
when you release aubrey video?
why you wait 2 months to release a new video?
Aubrey vs Azy should be out in about 6-8 weeks. I have a backlog of about forty catfights and this causes a big delay with some releases.
What happened to this company? Many of the old fights are no longer on http://eastcoastcats.com or at least can't be bought anymore.
For example http://eastcoastcats.com/ECC66prev/66prev.htm is live online but isn't connected to an active CC Bill account.
I will never understand why so many producers make it so HARD to buy their videos.