This is something I haven't seen terribly often, so I thought I would bring it up. Most catfight fantasies and stories I read feature superficial damage. I mean, chicks get beaten to a pulp, but it's pretty obvious that given some weeks, both would have healed/recovered back to their original state. I'm not sure what this says about me, but I prefer at least some damage to be a bit more...lasting.
Bear in mind that I am speaking purely from the POV of "fantasy" here, and not actual real-life catfights, but I want to see damage that is more long-lasting. Something that the loser will carry from the fight, and will be a constant source of embarrassment and humiliation for a long long time. If the loser has a long coif of beautiful hair that she is inordinately proud of, I want to see it cut off or yanked out so that she is nearly bald. If the loser has a big white gorgeous smile, I want to see at least some of those teeth knocked completely out. If the loser has huge giant tits that she shoves in people's faces, I want to see them pummeled and flattened so bad during the fight that they are permanently saggy from now on - perhaps with a few embarrassing tattoos for good measure!
I know that's probably a bit more hardcore than people are normally into, but hey... that really gets me excited lol. I think it has something to do with my loving it when a source of vanity or pride is forcibly taken. It lights a fire in my belly ;)
In my fantasy fights there have been those odd occasions where a girl really got a good deal of hair ripped out by the roots, or being on her hands and knees spitting out one or two of her teeth after being punched by her stronger opponent; I feel it's not necessarily so totally destructive, as missing hair or teeth can be replaced through wigs, treatment, or dental surgery - the really hardcore stuff like including broken noses or arms etc, or damaged kidneys etc isn't something I enjoy even in a fantasy, those things only make me recoil.
I often think when I see a woman with a broken leg, that she got it broke in a wrestling or catfight. That the other woman ends the fight then and there with breaking the other womans leg.
Quote from: irenecatfighter on July 31, 2014, 05:10:36 AM
Permanent damage , Serious injuries , absolutely a big no for me. Bruises , Black Eye , I go only as far as that , nothing more.
I"m pretty much with Irene; bruising, a LITTLE lost hair is about as far as I want to go even in fantasy. I know others like more violence - whatever floats your boat.
Irl I would never want to see someone permanently hurt or injured but in fantasy I enjoy the winner leaving some more permanent damage as a constant reminder to the loser of his/her failure. Mind you this is strictly for fantasy, recently been having some thoughts about what I'd like to see Fatima do to an opponent...
Wow! The fat person who wrote this post could break bones by merely falling on someone.
bugger, 2 of my faves on this site, fatima and then maureen insults her. who do i support in this?
I'm with you Fatima. In fantasy it's got to be really violent, and with a clear winner and loser.
A fight to YOUR finish Irene! I don't intend to lose to the likes of you ;)
Quote from: daz on August 01, 2014, 11:16:02 PM
bugger, 2 of my faves on this site, fatima and then maureen insults her. who do i support in this?
Hey, she wasn't lying. Squishing people with my body is kinda what I do ;)
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Quote from: CecilBDmented on August 05, 2014, 08:08:30 AM
- Maiming, disfiguring or breaking someone's bones causing permanent damage is not into FvsF for the same reasons I am. I don't care if it's only fantasy, for someone to become aroused over such activity is not anything that appeals to me or that I consider remotely sane. As much as I enjoy the thought of breast and crotch grabbing/squeezing in FvsF, I would never want any woman to loose teeth or have hair ripped out of her scalp. Why not join Michael Vick and just watch dog fighting instead? People claiming to be into this type of thing always set off a red flare alarm in me.
What about Stephen Seagal movies? Or James Bond, which always has a high body count, and has included death by burning alive and being crushed by machinery, but is shown on tv as family entertainment. I think you're taking this a little to seriously.
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Calm down, I just said I think you're taking it to seriously.
I agree with those who have pointed out that even in fantasy, wanting to see any type of permanent damage done to an opponent is at least very concerning. It strikes me as a sickening thought. I would have to think these folks have some serious unresolved issues to have this much hate in them.
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Number one - you are on a website devoted to fights between women and you are condemning people for liking fights between womwn. Your righteous indignation is more than a little but laughable. In short- you are making yourself look like a fool, especially since your post is by far the most aggressive out of everyone.
Second- your posts have broken several forum rules, so unless you want to get yourself banned, I suggest that you tone things down.
Well said Fatima!
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Awesome, so you CAN string some thoughts together without resorting to personal insults and threats of violence. I had wondered...
as much as i adore maureen, shes right. fatima would squish her so hey i might as well just enjoy the visual.
Quote from: c2much on August 07, 2014, 02:19:23 PM
This thread went from a nice little catty trash talking session between Fatima, Maureen, and Irene to a long drawn out obnoxious debate. This board is beginning to suck. :-(
It was only one person who spoiled it, that happens occasionally, on every forum.
Cyril often spouts rubbish, but on this occaision, he is also making a valid point. It's just a pity he didn't make it without the empty threats and pointless trash talk.. We get more than enough of that stuff from the "ladies" here, in my opinion.
But I wouldn't go so far as to condemn people, male or female, who get turned on by the thought of women being seriously injured in fights.
They didn't choose to be that way. People don't buy fetishes from supermarkets, or select their own particular variation from a drop-down menu at an on-line fetish store. It just happens to us. At least, that's the way it was for me.
I do think though, that a counter view should be expressed by some-one whenever subjects like this are discussed, so that everybody concerned understands that, whatever turns them on in their fantasies, brutality and permanent injuries in real life fights are a different matter and should never happen. Ever.
Hello kafkod, you make your point more reasonably than Cecil, so I'm happy to discuss it.
I'd made the point that popular culture is filled with violence, sometimes extreme violence, and it's presented and widely regarded as entertainment. Are people wrong to be entertained by violent films, comics etc? But that's a debate I think for a different forum, the issue here being about being sexually aroused by violence in fantasy. On that point it should be noted that Hollywood has always mixed sex and violence, as have comics, in one way or another, and there's no doubt some are sexually aroused by the violence in a Bond movie, and other action films, which often include death. Is that so much different from the subject of this thread?
There have been many films where indestructible heroes, Bruce Lee and Stephen Seagal for example, brutally batter, sometimes killing, one male opponent after another. And the same with invincible heroines, like Cynthia Rothrock, and Hit Girl in the Kick Ass movies, but never a film where dozens of women are violently dispatched by a heroine. The occasional female fight, sure, but with both being capable brawlers. I'd like to see a movie where a female criminal gang is defeated by a heroine in the same way that Mr Seagal deals with the bad men. I see nothing wrong with that. And as nobody is likely to make such a movie I'm going to create an illustrated story like that, working on it now.
I don't know - but I think there is still a difference between comparing sex and violence on TV and in the movies (which can range from being somewhat acceptable as it's integral to a valid script to non-acceptable when it is not just outright bad drama and gratuitous) and fantasizing about catfights where someone enjoys seeing the loser suffering permanent damage. I think the later may be more personal. There is also a difference between watching westerns or action films where the bad guys meet their maker and those who enjoy horror films simply for the gross amount of gore. I'm no expert, but I think there are degrees of everything and some things cross the lines of normalcy.
Catfights are sexy, 99 out of 100 men, and many women, would agree. Fantasizing about sexy women rolling around locked together is sexually stimulating For some of us, catfights are more stimulating than for others (hence this board obviously). But taking that to the degree where it is sexually stimulating to fantasize about the loser in a catfight suffering some form of permanent damage to me crosses the line. I still think it speaks to a deeper issue of strong resentment against something. Perhaps those who enjoy this could explain their motivations.
As the OP. maine516, I would rather not explain myself - though I don't mean that personally and am not trying to call you out. Quite frankly, I am sad that I ever started this thread, and it's long since gone sour on me. I will say only that I am probably far less of a "sicko" than folks probably think I am, and it's not really the actual blood and pain that I appreciate. I'm not a sadist. However, like I said - I don't wish to explain any further, and I wish that folks would just let this thread die, or that a Mod would happen along and just lock or delete the thread to put it out of it's misery.
Quote from: fatima.fatty on August 13, 2014, 03:41:17 PM
As the OP. maine516, I would rather not explain myself - though I don't mean that personally and am not trying to call you out. Quite frankly, I am sad that I ever started this thread, and it's long since gone sour on me. I will say only that I am probably far less of a "sicko" than folks probably think I am, and it's not really the actual blood and pain that I appreciate. I'm not a sadist. However, like I said - I don't wish to explain any further, and I wish that folks would just let this thread die, or that a Mod would happen along and just lock or delete the thread to put it out of it's misery.
fatima, if you would like me to remove this thread I will. Except for one person and that does happen I don't see anything wrong with the discussion. You started the thread, if you would like I will end it, thx, Laur.
Alright fine - it's true that most folks have been pretty respectful, so I shall try to expound on what I said earlier.
I suppose it comes from growing up. I was not always the smokin' hot delectable bag of hotness that you see before you. Once upon a time, I was a very fat, timid girl in high school, with a ridiculous name (for my body shape anyways - I mean a fat chick named "Fatima"? Really? It's like some sort of cosmic joke, lol), who got picked on a little bit, didn't date much, and felt more than a little bit inferior to the super-pretty, popular girls. Got into fights quite a lot - though nothing that did the kind of damage I depicted in my original post, just to be clear.
So my fantasy of causing "war wounds" (I guess you could call them) is a lot less about me getting moist in my panties when somebody snaps an arm, and is a lot more about causing some sort of embarrassment/humiliation that will stick with my (hopefully) defeated "popular chick" opponent a lot longer than just during the scuffle. It's a theme of a pretty girl getting taken down a peg, and maybe not looking so perfect after a tangle with me. I find it sort of hilarious if some rich princess had to get a nose job because her perfect face was marred by a busted nose. Or if for a few months afterwards, she had to fuss with her hair in order to hide a nice bald spot gained from a nasty hair-pulling bout. Or even if every morning when she sticks her partial denture plate into her mouth, she remembers the pounding I gave her that cost her the expensively perfect smile she spent years developing.
The actual blood/pain part I find gruesome and unsettling. It's more the humiliation afterwards I find delectable. It's sort of a revenge/justice fantasy I suppose. Now, if I really gave it some hard thinking, I'm sure that this particular interest of mine is related to some sort of fucked up self-esteem issue, but meh...whatever. Fuck therapy, I am pretty much ok with myself, and this is just something I fantasize about anyways. I have no interest in inflicting any actual real life damage of any kind to a person. This is just a mental exercise for me
NOTE- as an aside, as often as I fantasize about winning a catfight and fucking up someone, I fantasize about myself being beaten down by my opponent, and getting the same treatment I was prepared to deal out. Again - perhaps there is some sort of twisted psychology at work here, but meh...whatever ;)
Making comments questioning someone's sanity or character based on their sexual preference is hurtful and ignorant. We seem to forget that until 40 years ago, being any sexuality other than heterosexual was considered a mental disorder. If a person's sexual preference causes no harm to themselves or anyone else, why do you care? Never mind the irony of threatening actual violence towards someone because they might IMAGINE violence.
Yes there are elements of the fetish I don't care for but it is in how those elements are expressed IN REAL LIFE that would affect me. If you want to imagine me with a black eye, so be it. If you want to have me get punched in real life to get said black eye, then we have a problem :) Similarly, if you hold myself and another woman at gun point forcing us to have a hair pulling cat fight for your pleasure, that is harmful, despite no permanent physical damage.
Most people's fetishes look bizarre to people who don't find the same thing sexy. It doesn't make them necessarily wrong. Feet aren't terribly sexy to me but I can appreciate that some do find them extremely so. Many fetishes are multi-faceted, and this one is no exception. You aren't required to love all of them, but give people the same respect they give your branch of the kink. This is a place where people should feel safe in expressing their kink without fear of personal attack or threats of violence as long as said kink fits in the rules of the site. Yes you can have an opinion, but inflicting it on people is not the same as expressing it.
Jondo53, perhaps a better comparison would be the TV show Game of Thrones than Steven Seagal or Bond, since that is a very popular show which is known for selling sex appeal alongside physical and sexual violence and making little bones about it. Or any of the non glittering vampire shows where sexual tension is alongside a being looking to tear your jugular out. People may not find these shows their taste and they do suffer criticism for the mix, but I don't see anyone suggesting 7 million viewers need to be committed to an asylum either.
If what someone is into isn't harming anyone in real life, why the fuss? If you are concerned that someone is thinking overly long on violence, may I suggest turning in your local crime or horror novelist too while you are at it.
Quote from: nutmeg78 on August 13, 2014, 10:17:00 PM
Jondo53, perhaps a better comparison would be the TV show Game of Thrones than Steven Seagal or Bond, since that is a very popular show which is known for selling sex appeal alongside physical and sexual violence and making little bones about it. Or any of the non glittering vampire shows where sexual tension is alongside a being looking to tear your jugular out. People may not find these shows their taste and they do suffer criticism for the mix, but I don't see anyone suggesting 7 million viewers need to be committed to an asylum either.
If what someone is into isn't harming anyone in real life, why the fuss? If you are concerned that someone is thinking overly long on violence, may I suggest turning in your local crime or horror novelist too while you are at it.
I've not seen Game of Thrones, so can't comment on it, but there is a connection between action films and sex, and that violent films do attract a big audience can be seen by the fact that they've been a success since cinema was invented, and still are. They've been big budget projects from the days of John Wayne to Stephen Seagal. Beautiful women are usually involved, even if only as onlookers, and tough girls have always been attractive to the male eye, from Emma Peel and Honey West to Xena and Buffy. These female characters are certainly sex and violence, though an exception is Ripley from the Alien films (which are brilliant!) who isn't attired in figure hugging clothing, and is no superwoman, just a gutsy person who does her beast. Which, I think, is what has made her the number one definition of a heroine, she's real. But perhaps I'm straying off the subject of cat fighting, which is the reason this forum exists.
Must add that I love vampire films, especially those made by Hammer with Christopher Lee as the evil Count. They do mix sex and violence, though it is done with style, and watching them has not made men go and sink their teeth into the necks of young women. In fact the human race was committing a great deal of violence long before the mass media arrived to stir our imagination.
Fatima - I understand your frustration with how some of this thread has gone. If you, or others, feel that any of my comments have been hurtful or negative, then I apologize for that perception. That has not been my intent. I joined in this discussion frankly because the topic itself that you raised "permanent damage" is I think significant. I also think you started the thread for a reason - maybe just to state your feelings or maybe to see how others felt. In any case, I know you didn't have to, but I really applaud your explanation above. It is a very honest and thoughtful expression of why you have this fantasy. As I said back at the beginning (and please people, don't go jumping off the deep end saying that I'm judging her or whatever), I honestly believed that to feel the way you do would most likely stem back to some form of resentment against others from an earlier part in your life. And you've explained that it could very well come from that. You also indicated that for you it is a lot less about sexual stimulation than it is about causing embarrassment to your fantasy opponent (the revenge factor if you will). I think that's an important distinction and why it's not something you want to see in reality. If those feelings were in reverse, then I think that might be another story. So let me just end this by saying again that I appreciate your explanation. In one single post, you very accurately addressed the heart of the matter in my view. Kudos to you honey.
At this point I'm going to exit from this discussion. I don't normally let myself get dragged into these types of touchy exchanges. Folks tend to jump all over every word someone says and start accusing them of malicious intent when they don't even know the person. As we should all know by now, email type conversations such as these can be taken too literally and easily lead to misunderstanding of a person's intent. A subject such as this can also easily generate pro and con responses, which seems to cause condemnation and defensive replies, taking the actual subject off course. Too bad, as a topic such as "permanent damage" should invite differing opinions and meaningful discussion.
Why thank you very much, Maine, I appreciate the sentiment :)