ok I know everybody hates them but I just had to say it again. I HATE ultimate surrender and their stupid scripted fights being all over the place
oh yes!!!
K WELL stated
I'm not a fan - all the fights seem very similar, I don't care for the girls' attire and there's just not much excitement for me. That said, they obviously have a lot of fans, else they'd be out of business by now. Weird how a fetish like ours can have so many variations that appeal or don't appeal to different catfight lovers. I'm just grateful to the internet for making so many sites available. The old days were tough on us closet fans.
Quote from: Sandman13 on May 18, 2014, 04:21:52 PM
I'm not a fan - all the fights seem very similar, I don't care for the girls' attire and there's just not much excitement for me. That said, they obviously have a lot of fans, else they'd be out of business by now. Weird how a fetish like ours can have so many variations that appeal or don't appeal to different catfight lovers. I'm just grateful to the internet for making so many sites available. The old days were tough on us closet fans.
While I'm not a huge fan of their FvsF content, these folks did something no other producer succeeded at. They made FvsF attractive to a large audience of females. There is a large concentration of young lesbians in San Francisco. There's a much larger concentration of young female lesbians in the East Bay. In fact there is a neighborhood in Oakland that has the largest concentration of lesbians in the USA. Since the majority of the women who participate in Ultimate Surrender productions are gay or Bi, there is a high interest in this company's offerings. They employ and interest women in their productions.
I've never had a woman start talking to me about CA Wildcats or DWW (or any other FvsF producer) in a bar but I've had several strippers talk about Ultimate Surrender and even question me on how they could get into it. One woman even went so far as to proclaim that she "...get's off watching that shit!" - then immediately ordered the smoking hot huge breasted tight assed waitress to "get me a cigarette" thus rendering my special moment into a prison bitch movie memory. In the last 8 months I've had 2 women initiate conversation about how they could get into doing work for Ultimate Surrender and 3 others extemporaneously elaborate on
- how they were undefeated in nude wrestling or
- how they would love to wrestle another woman in competition or
- how they would love to watch women wrestling each other nude/topless.
Women love Ultimate Surrender and watch their prolific offerings on the internet. I have to imagine their interest is due in large part to the strap-on action at the end of the match. My standard reply whenever a hot dancer asks me if I'd like to watch her dance with her girlfriend: "That's not going to do anything for me - I'd rather watch you wrestle each other." Then again, I realize I'm in San Francisco, not Mayberry.
so I think US is shit. Absolutely nothing about their content does anything for me whatsoever, and most real FsF fans seem to be of the same mind.
So what does it matter to us that all these lesbian women want to "wrestle" for US, if we have no interest at all in watching them do it?
Maybe if US didn't exist some of them would be going to other, better producers, and taking part in fights that fans like me would actually want to watch.
On the whole, I think that US has had a negative impact on the American FvF scene. If I was a lesbian, maybe I'd be loving them too. But I'm not, so I wish they would go away.
Quote from: kafkod on May 18, 2014, 09:31:01 PM
so I think US is shit. Absolutely nothing about their content does anything for me whatsoever, and most real FsF fans seem to be of the same mind.
So what does it matter to us that all these lesbian women want to "wrestle" for US, if we have no interest at all in watching them do it?
Maybe if US didn't exist some of them would be going to other, better producers, and taking part in fights that fans like me would actually want to watch.
On the whole, I think that US has had a negative impact on the American FvF scene. If I was a lesbian, maybe I'd be loving them too. But I'm not, so I wish they would go away.
I'm not going to debate whether Ultimate Surrender is shit. I sincerely don't care which is why I've never bought any of their product even though I'll probably pony up the $ and attend one or more of their live shows. That being said, If you think many of the women working for Foxy Combat or Fighting Dolls are not Bi you're delusional. Or maybe you think the women doing Trib shoots are just acting? Anything that brings this fetish to the forefront for women to see and want to discuss and participate in is good for the sport. Young women aren't watching Crystal video or Steel Kittens. They haven't even heard of ECC. Although I know I'm taking a big leap here assuming women outside of your immediate family actually speak with you, how many women have you spoken with about FvsF? How many women have communicated to you that they'd be interested in participating in a FvsF filming? Most of the women doing the type of wrestling I enjoy watching tend to be bi and have a very open mind about wanting to wrestle. As someone who is a FvsF fan and someone who is very interested in filming FvsF, having a FvsF producer that young women know about and are interested in discussing is something that interests me. I really couldn't give a rusty mthrfck whether it interests you. ;-)
Quote from: CecilBDmented on May 18, 2014, 10:52:16 PM
Quote from: kafkod on May 18, 2014, 09:31:01 PM
so I think US is shit. Absolutely nothing about their content does anything for me whatsoever, and most real FsF fans seem to be of the same mind.
So what does it matter to us that all these lesbian women want to "wrestle" for US, if we have no interest at all in watching them do it?
Maybe if US didn't exist some of them would be going to other, better producers, and taking part in fights that fans like me would actually want to watch.
On the whole, I think that US has had a negative impact on the American FvF scene. If I was a lesbian, maybe I'd be loving them too. But I'm not, so I wish they would go away.
I'm not going to debate whether Ultimate Surrender is shit. I sincerely don't care which is why I've never bought any of their product even though I'll probably pony up the $ and attend one or more of their live shows. That being said, If you think many of the women working for Foxy Combat or Fighting Dolls are not Bi you're delusional. Or maybe you think the women doing Trib shoots are just acting? Anything that brings this fetish to the forefront for women to see and want to discuss and participate in is good for the sport. Young women aren't watching Crystal video or Steel Kittens. They haven't even heard of ECC. Although I know I'm taking a big leap here assuming women outside of your immediate family actually speak with you, how many women have you spoken with about FvsF? How many women have communicated to you that they'd be interested in participating in a FvsF filming? Most of the women doing the type of wrestling I enjoy watching tend to be bi and have a very open mind about wanting to wrestle. As someone who is a FvsF fan and someone who is very interested in filming FvsF, having a FvsF producer that young women know about and are interested in discussing is something that interests me. I really couldn't give a rusty mthrfck whether it interests you. ;-)
You and I agreeing about anything, I mean.
Believe me, Cecil, I have no delusions about Foxycombat, Fightingdolls, or the trib girls. In order to have delusions about them, I would actually have to be thinking about them, which is something I never do.
You are correct in assuming that women outside of my immediate family do speak with me. Including my ex missus, unfortunately.
But I live in a different world to the shit pit you apparently crawl around. In my world, Ultimate Surrender is not in the forefront of anything, especially not the minds of the young women I talk to.
I'm quite up-front about my fetish, if the time and place is right, and several women I know have told me they would consider taking part in catfight/wrestling matches, if given the opportunity. But it wasn't US type pornography they were talking about. I don't think any of the women I know would consider doing anything like that. As I said, my world is not your world, thank God.
Quote from: kafkod on May 19, 2014, 01:53:13 AM
Quote from: CecilBDmented on May 18, 2014, 10:52:16 PM
Quote from: kafkod on May 18, 2014, 09:31:01 PM
so I think US is shit. Absolutely nothing about their content does anything for me whatsoever, and most real FsF fans seem to be of the same mind.
So what does it matter to us that all these lesbian women want to "wrestle" for US, if we have no interest at all in watching them do it?
Maybe if US didn't exist some of them would be going to other, better producers, and taking part in fights that fans like me would actually want to watch.
On the whole, I think that US has had a negative impact on the American FvF scene. If I was a lesbian, maybe I'd be loving them too. But I'm not, so I wish they would go away.
I'm not going to debate whether Ultimate Surrender is shit. I sincerely don't care which is why I've never bought any of their product even though I'll probably pony up the $ and attend one or more of their live shows. That being said, If you think many of the women working for Foxy Combat or Fighting Dolls are not Bi you're delusional. Or maybe you think the women doing Trib shoots are just acting? Anything that brings this fetish to the forefront for women to see and want to discuss and participate in is good for the sport. Young women aren't watching Crystal video or Steel Kittens. They haven't even heard of ECC. Although I know I'm taking a big leap here assuming women outside of your immediate family actually speak with you, how many women have you spoken with about FvsF? How many women have communicated to you that they'd be interested in participating in a FvsF filming? Most of the women doing the type of wrestling I enjoy watching tend to be bi and have a very open mind about wanting to wrestle. As someone who is a FvsF fan and someone who is very interested in filming FvsF, having a FvsF producer that young women know about and are interested in discussing is something that interests me. I really couldn't give a rusty mthrfck whether it interests you. ;-)
You and I agreeing about anything, I mean.
Believe me, Cecil, I have no delusions about Foxycombat, Fightingdolls, or the trib girls. In order to have delusions about them, I would actually have to be thinking about them, which is something I never do.
You are correct in assuming that women outside of my immediate family do speak with me. Including my ex missus, unfortunately.
But I live in a different world to the shit pit you apparently crawl around. In my world, Ultimate Surrender is not in the forefront of anything, especially not the minds of the young women I talk to.
I'm quite up-front about my fetish, if the time and place is right, and several women I know have told me they would consider taking part in catfight/wrestling matches, if given the opportunity. But it wasn't US type pornography they were talking about. I don't think any of the women I know would consider doing anything like that. As I said, my world is not your world, thank God.
Hold your horses Special K. There's no reason to go ALL Hasty Pudding on this yet. I believe we've both agreed that
- Neither of us will ever buy any FvsF from Ultimate Surrender
- Neither of us are interested in the type of FvsF they produce
- There are living women (human women) outside of your immediate family who actually spoke with you.
I don't think that's bad for a start. I'm sure the whole country agrees with you that San Francisco's North Beach is an absolute shit hole. Just the other day we had to make a call to Seattle to ship some clouds over because there was so much sun outside. But for the sake of those of us who believe in confusing the issue with actual facts I'll share the following:
San Francisco 1st out of 20 best cities to live in US
http://realestate.msn.com/americas-20-best-cities#21
North Beach
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/North-Beach-voted-one-of-nation-s-10-best-2499493.php
http://blog.ongig.com/community/san-franciscos-best-startup-neighborhood
http://www.gadling.com/2007/09/27/north-beach-san-francisco-s-best-neighborhood/
What an absolute living hell! ;-)
Besides - if you and I start agreeing on things what might come next? Pesky World Peace?
Quote from: CecilBDmented on May 19, 2014, 02:22:04 AM
Quote from: kafkod on May 19, 2014, 01:53:13 AM
Quote from: CecilBDmented on May 18, 2014, 10:52:16 PM
Quote from: kafkod on May 18, 2014, 09:31:01 PM
so I think US is shit. Absolutely nothing about their content does anything for me whatsoever, and most real FsF fans seem to be of the same mind.
So what does it matter to us that all these lesbian women want to "wrestle" for US, if we have no interest at all in watching them do it?
Maybe if US didn't exist some of them would be going to other, better producers, and taking part in fights that fans like me would actually want to watch.
On the whole, I think that US has had a negative impact on the American FvF scene. If I was a lesbian, maybe I'd be loving them too. But I'm not, so I wish they would go away.
I'm not going to debate whether Ultimate Surrender is shit. I sincerely don't care which is why I've never bought any of their product even though I'll probably pony up the $ and attend one or more of their live shows. That being said, If you think many of the women working for Foxy Combat or Fighting Dolls are not Bi you're delusional. Or maybe you think the women doing Trib shoots are just acting? Anything that brings this fetish to the forefront for women to see and want to discuss and participate in is good for the sport. Young women aren't watching Crystal video or Steel Kittens. They haven't even heard of ECC. Although I know I'm taking a big leap here assuming women outside of your immediate family actually speak with you, how many women have you spoken with about FvsF? How many women have communicated to you that they'd be interested in participating in a FvsF filming? Most of the women doing the type of wrestling I enjoy watching tend to be bi and have a very open mind about wanting to wrestle. As someone who is a FvsF fan and someone who is very interested in filming FvsF, having a FvsF producer that young women know about and are interested in discussing is something that interests me. I really couldn't give a rusty mthrfck whether it interests you. ;-)
You and I agreeing about anything, I mean.
Believe me, Cecil, I have no delusions about Foxycombat, Fightingdolls, or the trib girls. In order to have delusions about them, I would actually have to be thinking about them, which is something I never do.
You are correct in assuming that women outside of my immediate family do speak with me. Including my ex missus, unfortunately.
But I live in a different world to the shit pit you apparently crawl around. In my world, Ultimate Surrender is not in the forefront of anything, especially not the minds of the young women I talk to.
I'm quite up-front about my fetish, if the time and place is right, and several women I know have told me they would consider taking part in catfight/wrestling matches, if given the opportunity. But it wasn't US type pornography they were talking about. I don't think any of the women I know would consider doing anything like that. As I said, my world is not your world, thank God.
I believe we've both agreed that
- Neither of us will ever buy any FvsF from Ultimate Surrender
- Neither of us are interested in the type of FvsF they produce
- There are living women (human women) outside of your immediate family who actually spoke with you.
I don't think that's bad for a start. I'm sure the whole country agrees with your that San Francisco's North Beach is an absolute shit hole. Just the other day we had to make a call to Seattle to ship some clouds in because there was so much sun outside. But for the sake of us who believe in confusing the issue with actual facts I'll share the following:
San Francisco 1st out of 20 best cities to live in US
http://realestate.msn.com/americas-20-best-cities#21
North Beach
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/North-Beach-voted-one-of-nation-s-10-best-2499493.php
http://blog.ongig.com/community/san-franciscos-best-startup-neighborhood
;) My ex missus is not human, btw.
am I the only one who gets the clear impression cecil is someone associated with Ultimate surrender? which by the way is THE LOUSIEST SCRIPTED PIECE OF CRAP EVER TO HIT THE INTERNET. full stop
Quote from: vivvivve on May 19, 2014, 03:39:43 AM
am I the only one who gets the clear impression cecil is someone associated with Ultimate surrender? which by the way is THE LOUSIEST SCRIPTED PIECE OF CRAP EVER TO HIT THE INTERNET. full stop
Hah! Nothing could be further from the truth. I'm not clear on how accurate your reading comprehension skills are but I'm not trying to defend Ultimate Surrender. In addition, they make enough money that they don't need to have someone like me shill for them. We do share a couple of things in common though. We both reside in San Francisco. I'm in North Beach. They're in the Mission. I like FvsF. They produce FvsF. Unfortunately not the type I find particularly appealing but nonetheless I still have interest in attending a couple of live shows before the year is out. I seem to know quite a few dancers some of whom are bi or lesbian who have worked for or want to work for Ultimate Surrender. Keep in mind that these guys have a company that employs quite a number of women.
With headquarters in the Mission district they are smack dab in the center of lesbian central. When you think about it it makes great business sense. Where else is a big-titted tattooed dyke going to make a quick buck playing grabass with another girl (or girls) right before she slams/takes it doggie style? I do have to disagree with one of your soon to be many inaccuracies. US is not scripted. It may not be to your liking (or mine) but I still believe in being accurate. It may be repetitive as hell but there is nothing scripted about US. However, you're completely welcome to your opinion. Whether or not you spend $ with them is of no concern to me. They're still going to do big bucks with or without your approval. I will say one thing though, I've dated some dancers in my time and I was working on this one young lady (sans tattoos) to go to my favorite brunch spot - Then I saw a US clip of her taking it up the ass from another girl. I will admit it sucked an inordinate amount of the romance out of the idea I had about taking her out to Sunday brunch. Don't get me wrong. I'm not a prude or anything but I'd just daydream about what she'd order when it was time for dessert.
Vendetta vs Ariel X from Ultimate Surrender was one of the hottest saga in our hobbie, a very well done work with two exciting girls and a big rivalry.
Probably the other girls and matches usually aren´t at the same level.
Many regards from Spain.
Quote from: Dario on May 19, 2014, 10:09:06 AM
Vendetta vs Ariel X from Ultimate Surrender was one of the hottest saga in our hobbie, a very well done work with two exciting girls and a big rivalry.
Probably the other girls and matches usually aren´t at the same level.
Many regards from Spain.
Thanks for weighing in on this Dario. I've heard a lot about Ariel X. Her name is about as close as you come to "household" status with regards to FvsF superstars. I've never seen any of her US action because I've never actually made it all the way through one of their matches (with some action between her and Dia Z being the exception). I'll see if I can check this offering out. BTW if you don't mind sharing please tell me
- What other FvsF vendors do you enjoy watching?
- What type of FvsF content do you like the best?
everybody I ever talked to all hated ultimate surrender. and yeah their strategy of putting their stupid videos all over the internet on every site possible really backfired. now everybody hates them like people started hating microsoft and then apple. ultimate surrender is useless
- Then I saw a US clip of her taking it up the ass from another girl. I will admit it sucked an inordinate amount of the romance out of the idea I had about taking her out to Sunday brunch. Don't get me wrong. I'm not a prude or anything but I'd just daydream about what she'd order when it was time for dessert. [/b][/color]
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That would tend to kill it for me too.
A few years ago, on Barb's site, I referred to Napali productions as garbage. I have since retracted that statement and with the help of CB have come to realize that the issue here is what people will buy. If Ultimate Surrender has its followers and makes money, good for them. CB's identification of US's target audience makes a whole lot of sense -- not something that I would have considered, but when I look at how the lesbian population in my little East Bay town has soared in the last 15 years, it all fits.
What matters is that you know what you're paying for, and getting it. Being ripped off is another story. Same with Napali. I bought a Napali tape in the late 80's after reading a description in a magazine. When I got the tape, I felt that I had been had, which is why I slammed the company when I got the chance. With the Internet however, we should all have a pretty clear idea of what particular sub-genre each producer targets. Ultimate Surrender won't get any of my money, for a variety of reasons. Neither will the WWE or the NFL or Nike for that matter. Like Ultimate Surrender, I'm not part of their target audience. But those who are seem to be satisfied enough to keep all of these companies in business. Rather than label something as crap, I now chose to say that it's just not my style and move on. And I doubt that Vince McMahon, Jed York or Phil Knight could care.
I'm also not a big fan of US - but they have had some good, fairly competitive matches (Isamar G, Ariel X etc.).
I read once that Amber Deluca attended a US show - now, her against Debra D'andrea , or any other FBB, might work :)
Well, I love every form of girl fights, especially catfights.
As vendors, I like a lot of companies, as Double Trouble, DWW, Steel Kittens, Foxycombat, Viarapartment Catfights, CatfightingAngels, APL etc, and just dislike the sexual companies who focus in the sexual part of the fights, as Catfight Corner, Napali Videos, etc.
Many regards from Spain.
I don't HATE u. s., but I doubt I will ever subscribe again. "Sexual wrestling"? What does that mean? The whole wrestling followed by humiliation doesn't make much sense to me. Just FIGHT, already! There are plenty of lesbian sex sites.
I subscribed the first time, and still have most of the downloads, because hey, they have some pretty girls naked! Gotta love that much.
As I said, just take a look to Ariel X vs Vendetta fights. Fantastic girls and fantastic action with a real rivalry.
Quote from: Dario on June 21, 2014, 11:50:44 AM
As I said, just take a look to Ariel X vs Vendetta fights. Fantastic girls and fantastic action with a real rivalry.
- ...don't have a clue about who runs and participates in FvsF products
- ...spend more $ on fast food delivery than purchasing FvsF product
- ...don't contain a single solitary clue on how to grow and sustain a FvsF business
These are the same guys who still have VHS players with America Online and Hotmail accounts. Stop paying attention to them. No one else does. ;-) The only thing they excel at is logging onto message boards to bluster and being consumed by the smell and fragrance of their own bodily hypnotical gases. They are the joke. They never see the punch line coming.
and
I've learned that, for myself, there can be a very fine line between awful and excellent in WvW wrestling. SOAP productions had a lot of the same themes as US; but, 1) no grabass during match and certainly not for "points," 2) no silly point tabulation--that "chime" when a point is scored is enough to make me go soft, and 3) no goofy ref--although getting ariel instead of that dufuss wearing a samuri suit (?) was a good start. Finally, what separates me from most in this thread is that I LIKE watching the women use strap-on after a match (better than that damned trib--do women really do that!!??) Okay, I'm drunk. P.S> Lived all over the USA good & bad NYC to Meridian, MS and North Beach in SF is about as good as it gets. If they could just get rid of NOV-MARCH people would be leaving Maui to move there. Thank you all for this forum!!
Quote from: ofecteau on June 21, 2014, 06:51:24 PM
Quote from: ofecteau on June 19, 2010, 08:34:33 PM
In the 90's, before the internet completely changed the way female fighting videos were marketed and sold, you had remarkably fewer production companies making remarkably fewer products. These were cottage industry companies, and largely labors of love. I seriously doubt that California Wildcats, for example, turned much of a profit. I seriously wonder whether or not they even recovered their costs despite charging prices that would cause massive outrage in today's market. Their videos would be released the same way a mother robin would treat her chick: push them out of the nest and hope the fuck they can fly. Their chance for success lay in the quality of the production: the hotness of the women and the intense realism of their content.
The result: again, I cannot speak to financial side (although I will point this out before someone else does: they went out of the catfight business and into the "sexfight" business) the videos remain near-universal benchmarks for quality. SketchArtiste says their motto should be "Our old stuff still kicks ass on most of the new stuff available today." I would only say to that, most? Please, for the love of God and all that is holy, tell me who today (outside Central Europe) has women that hot in action that compelling? My credit card and I are dying to know.
Along came the internet and the virtual bursting of the dam. Production companies sprang up all over. But it was Ultimate Surrender who saw the possibilities better than everyone else, saw the way to best exploit the new situation. Prices would be cut roughly in half, and new content was guaranteed on a weekly basis. Cash flow was guaranteed by charging for membership, which worked as well to make the consumer accept what they were given. The emphasis became on what was new, and more importantly, what was sure to come to you next week.
This new mentality i.e. a constant supply of new material for a lot less than you were paying for a single CW product, worked as surely as did the ringing of the bell for Pavlov and his dogs. And to the dogs is precisely where US headed, diving for the low ground and greater profits with ever-diminshing attention to the quality side. Starting with the exquisite promise of Janay (has anyone other than Alecia Ames with Joan Wise ever been so associated with a production company as when Janay jumpstarted US?), who was jettisoned after the first year, it just got worse and worse. The quality of the women became basically irrelevant. No woman above the Mendoza Line (the attraction threshold below which a performer's presence in an erotic female fighting video cannot be justified), of Cal Wildcats quality, was ever going to perform for what US was paying their performers, and risk being on the business end of the trademark synthetic penis. And gone was the idea of a locale, i.e. outdoors, to provide texture and atmosphere. All US needed was a mat, a camera and two unattractive women who really needed the money and didn't mind being filmed while having something forcibly shoved up their cooch.
Now , at this point, US began to realize something that the Bidwell family, owner of the Arizona Cardinals of the NFL, had kept to themselves for years: you make more money with a bad team. In the case of the Cardinals, with shared television and merchandising revenues coming in, there was not only no incentive to field a team with a shot at the playoffs, there was every incentive to field a shitty team with no chance of winning. You paid the players less, you kept less on and off field staff; you kept more of the guaranteed money. At US, with membership fees taking care of the cash flow and the consumer base conditioned to accept weekly released inferior products at a discounted price, where was US's incentive to improve?
The direction of the industry was now set in stone. To use below Mendoza Line performers became the norm. New companies were formed, but would find it hard to break free of the virtual tourniquet that US had placed around the American arm of the industry. There was simply too much pressure to conform to the 1 video per week for less than $20 formula.
And the overall quality of American female fighting videos took a nose dive. That's the argument.
As usual like the chime of a church bell on a bright sunny day, Ofecteau's observations continue to ring true. Being a North Beach resident I always hear this quote truncated and seldom stated in it's entirety which is:"Once You've Seen St. Peters and Pauls Church, You Are Done With North Beach Churches and should immediately begin a thorough investigation of North Beach Bar's, restuarants and Pubs".
I was 35-40 miles south of San Francisco at the time but we (he and his female traveling companion for that leg of the trip) met up and took the Caltrain to San Francisco. After traveling the road on his GoldWing for over a year, what excited and compelled my friend was visiting churches. He had a map and location for every large church or cathedral in the city. He would wait until it was daytime (never during services) and smoke a bit of weed, then walk into the church and examine everything. He looked at the wood and watched the sunlight wash through the windows and surround the seats in the choir and warm the pulpit. He spent hours doing this. He didn't go to bars, strip clubs, raves or parties - just churches. He was fascinated with churches and I was fascinated with his fixation and the serene calm it seemed to bring him. At that time, I had never been to a church in San Francisco, in any capacity.
The last church we went to was in a neighborhood I was completely unfamiliar with. My friend promised me it would be the last church on 'the tour'. When we went in I was mesmerized. While we were examining the church the clock struck and the combination of the church along with the smell and the sound and vision of sun streaming through the windows washing over everything and everyone was absolutely divine and stoned immaculate. It was the last time I saw Wayne. I'm not sure how he is or what he's doing. I've never been back inside that particular church but my apartment is 3 blocks away and I see it (and pass by it) everyday. It's in a little neighborhood called North Beach. Since then, I've taken it upon myself to become an expert on every single bar, strip club and nightclub in North Beach. My visits tend to start near the end of the day and end sometime after the Sun has safely retreated behind the satin pantied short skirts barely covering the Moon's backsides. So when you visit the best of the top 5 cities in the US and decide to see what's going on in that city's best neighborhood, as soon as you've seen St Peter's & Paul's (the church - not the strip club act) feel free to get in touch and I'll let you know where to carry on with the rest of your investigation. ;-)
Only in San Francisco would the Chamber of Commerce actually support such an endorsement.
CB, you reside in North Beach? I always had you pegged for the Mission. Maybe it's because I recall the time when some angry dork on Barb's board wanted to fight you and you told him that he could meet you the Mission BART station because you pass through there everyday.
Don't get to the city much anymore because the Saturday night traffic from the East Bay is prohibitive, not to mention parking AND East Bay restaurants have really upped their game. However, I have many fond memories of North Beach -- gaining admission into a strip club after our Senior Dinner (in high school), my bachelor party (and many others) ending up at Vesuvio's after hitting several clubs, and our annual pre-Bay-to-Breakers dinners at Washington Square Bar & Grill or Moose's. Great times.
Quote from: Bear on July 09, 2014, 06:52:20 PM
CB, you reside in North Beach? I always had you pegged for the Mission. Maybe it's because I recall the time when some angry dork on Barb's board wanted to fight you and you told him that he could meet you the Mission BART station because you pass through there everyday.
Don't get to the city much anymore because the Saturday night traffic from the East Bay is prohibitive, not to mention parking AND East Bay restaurants have really upped their game. However, I have many fond memories of North Beach -- gaining admission into a strip club after our Senior Dinner (in high school), my bachelor party (and many others) ending up at Vesuvio's after hitting several clubs, and our annual pre-Bay-to-Breakers dinners at Washington Square Bar & Grill or Moose's. Great times.
;-)