Keep on finding so many new girls who are willing to fight on camera, topless and unscripted, with other girls for our enjoyment, is the question I'm asking.
The other day I was reading the thread about ECNWC's latest fights; reading about the difficulty that producer has, even with his deep pockets and generous nature, in doing what catzreview seem to be accomplishing with ease - recruiting fresh talent quickly enough to keep up with the fans demand for new content.
In a similar vein, I remember the bru haha that went on in one of CapitalCityCatfights threads: The producer complaining about other companies poaching his girls as soon as their matches were released, and various people who seemed to know a bit about the business predicting that he would fold quickly unless he started filming topless fights. And, given that he was focusing on short, one submission matches that sold for $10 dollars or thereabouts, topless would be difficult, if not impossible to accomplish, because the 'short and cheap' format meant that he wouldn't be able to pay potential fighters enough to induce them to do it.
Catzreview though, with a much smaller pool of potential talent to work with than their US counterparts, are selling topless, one-submission-wins it fights priced, sometimes almost ridiculously cheaply, according to duration, and have not only upped their release rate to two matches per month but are introducing new girls at about the same rate.
And these are genuine, unscripted matches. Not scripted rolling and posing but REAL fights with the possibility of REAL pain and humiliation for the losers, whose friends and menfolk are very likely going to be waiting to watch the videos when they are released to see how their girl got on.
So how do they do it? I don't know. But I think they deserve some respect and recognition for the fact that they are doing it, AND turning a profit too,
Spot on,njcatfan. But it's the sheer number of new recruits that Catzreview are coming up with lately, and the speed at which they film, edit and release their fights which I find surprising and impressive.
Rbb, what you say is true, face slapping and body punching ARE another thing, but so, apparently, is the way ECNWC film their fights. They don't just let the girls go at each other till one gives up, like the other producers mentioned. Instead, they film them over the course of a whole afternoon, with breaks to allow them to recover when they get tired, then edit and merge the resultant footage before releasing it as a fight. Obviously, doing it that way, the girls are going to be able to absorb more punishment and cope better with the rough tactics used. ECNWC also pay a lot more than other producers. At least, that's what is says in the thread I mentioned earlier. But they still have difficulty finding girls who are willing to fight for real.
The reason ECNWC find it harder to recruit is that they expect the girls to fight HARD and for REAL
A lot of girls back out when they realise its real fighting as happened in the recent Jemma and Hollie shoot
I have enjoyed some of the catz club and catzreview stuff but for me it stops short of being real fighting
unscripted ...yes
Real ... no
ask yourself this ?
If two girls were in a REAL life potential catfight situation would they walk up to eachother slowly ,grab eachother round the neck ,walk in a clockwise circle holding eachother for 2 mins then fall on the ground ?
If they got on top would they slap the other girl in the face if they got the chance or would they rather slap her on the leg ?
I Dont think so !!!
REAL catfights are where the girls tear in to eachother slapping , pulling hair and going all out to win
we all have different tastes on here and thats fine but it really gets my back up when producers label material as REAL CATFIGHTS when they obviously are not
Producers ask what do you wanna see ? 99% of the time the answer is real catfights ,sexy clothes and no wrestling rings .
This is more than often ignored and no one has took the bull by the horns and managed to get girls to catfight for real
REAL wresting would be a more accurate description for most producers and would give the potential buyer a more accurate description of what they are buying
In my opinion only Crystal and ECNWC have come anywhere near close to real catfights
Quote from: billyk123 on June 14, 2012, 01:20:53 PM
ask yourself this ?
If two girls were in a REAL life potential catfight situation would they walk up to eachother slowly ,grab eachother round the neck ,walk in a clockwise circle holding eachother for 2 mins then fall on the ground ?
If they got on top would they slap the other girl in the face if they got the chance or would they rather slap her on the leg ?
I Dont think so !!!
Ask yourself this Billy ... If two girls were in a real life catfight would you expect them to keep on fighting for a whole afternoon?
Would you expect there to be a guy with a camera controlling everything that happened, and that when either one of the girls got tired she would be able to sit down and have a rest and a breather till she was able to carry on fighting again as hard as before?
And if the rules of the fight allow punching, face slapping and hair pulling, wouldn't a girl in a REAL fight situation just use those very effective tactics to try and defeat her opponent as quickly as possible? Or would she actually rather tear clothes, give wedgies and mess around with the other girls vagina?
Finally Billy, do you actually seriously believe that two untrained girls could go at each other flat out for 45 mins without slowing down or running out of steam? Something that not even a world class boxer or elite level mixed martial artist would be able to do?
I don't think so either.
The truth is that all of the producers mentioned here stage RULES catfights. And they all edit their footage to some extent so that we only get to see as much of what actually happened as they want us to see.
For me, ECNWC's longer fights don't work because the way they are filmed takes the element of fatigue out of the equation. And fatigue - the fact that one of the girls might just have more stamina than the other - is too important as a factor in determining the outcome of a real fight to be done away with like that.
Having said that, the shorter fights that I've seen from ECNWC, where the girls just go at it without a break till one quits, have been outstanding.
;D who mentioned any need for girls to go all out for 45 mins ?
Ive done a lot of boxing and i know how tiring fighting is
i would rather see 4/5 mins of real action than 45 mins of wrestling ring tickling giggling
also who mentioned fighting on hard floors ??? there are plenty places with safe environments and soft flooring that dont involve a rocky bilbao boxing or wrestling ring
for me ( and many others on this forum have said the same ) the ring takes the femeninity out of a fight
The point i was making is if producers want to make grappling ,wrestling rolling around on a ring floor fights thats fine but dont adveertise them as REAL catfights -THEY ARENT !!
Quote from: billyk123 on June 15, 2012, 09:15:49 AM
;D who mentioned any need for girls to go all out for 45 mins ?
Ive done a lot of boxing and i know how tiring fighting is
i would rather see 4/5 mins of real action than 45 mins of wrestling ring tickling giggling
also who mentioned fighting on hard floors ??? there are plenty places with safe environments and soft flooring that dont involve a rocky bilbao boxing or wrestling ring
for me ( and many others on this forum have said the same ) the ring takes the femeninity out of a fight
The point i was making is if producers want to make grappling ,wrestling rolling around on a ring floor fights thats fine but dont adveertise them as REAL catfights -THEY ARENT !!
The reason I mentioned 45 mins is that that's how long some of ECNWC's fights seem to last, after they merge all the footage they've shot into one continuous sequence.
I understand why you might feel that the ring takes the femininity out of a fight. But to me, if the rules allow slapping and hair pulling, that's catfighting, not wrestling.
And if the girls are not working from a script, or following directions from the producer, that's REAL catfighting. End of story.
I would point out that I have been a producer for quite a while now and I can spot a fake a mile off. kafkod is of course quite right. If I told my girls that they could punch, they would turn up, punched their opponent in the face extremely hard. Leave them lying on the floor and come over to me and grabbed their money. Not much of a fight. The same more or less applies to slapping. In one of my first fights a girl slapped the other extremely hard in the face, breaking my rules. We had to give her smelling salts and a couple of minutes to get her bearings back. Again fights like that would not last very long at all.
Everyone who buys my Fights knows they are 100% real within the rules. I understand that some people don't like rings, that's fair enough, but it doesn't stop a catfight from being real. I am not knocking any other producers....
I would also like to point out that several of my knockers have been invited along to view my catfight's..... live. No one has taken me up on my offer thus far. In fact one is supposed to have been coming along to sponsor a catfight, insisting that mine are the only ones that are 100% real.
Thank you to everyone who has contributed to this topic.
PS
To answer the question at the top of the page..... I couldn't possibly comment as people would probably be listening. :) it's not just money ;D
There is no clever videography involved. One of the first fights I sponsored had 4 rounds in it. By the time the professional videographer had finished you could not tell where one round started and the other one ended. And the girls arrived together and had a good chat before they got started. That's a big no-no for me.
100% hair pulling in my catfights: in this random image you can clearly see hair on the mats. Haven't seen much hair loss in other so-called real catfights ;)
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My girls turn up not knowing who they will be fighting. They do not even meet until they are in the ring. The only exception is when we do a rematch but they still do not speak or socialise until after the fight, if ever. Just thought that tip bit of information might help you fans enjoy my fights a bit more. :)
Quote from: billyk123 on June 14, 2012, 01:20:53 PM
The reason ECNWC find it harder to recruit is that they expect the girls to fight HARD and for REAL
A lot of girls back out when they realise its real fighting as happened in the recent Jemma and Hollie shoot
I have enjoyed some of the catz club and catzreview stuff but for me it stops short of being real fighting
unscripted ...yes
Real ... no
ask yourself this ?
If two girls were in a REAL life potential catfight situation would they walk up to eachother slowly ,grab eachother round the neck ,walk in a clockwise circle holding eachother for 2 mins then fall on the ground ?
If they got on top would they slap the other girl in the face if they got the chance or would they rather slap her on the leg ?
I Dont think so !!!
REAL catfights are where the girls tear in to eachother slapping , pulling hair and going all out to win
we all have different tastes on here and thats fine but it really gets my back up when producers label material as REAL CATFIGHTS when they obviously are not
Producers ask what do you wanna see ? 99% of the time the answer is real catfights ,sexy clothes and no wrestling rings .
This is more than often ignored and no one has took the bull by the horns and managed to get girls to catfight for real
REAL wresting would be a more accurate description for most producers and would give the potential buyer a more accurate description of what they are buying
Like this -
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Hey catz please dont get me wrong im not having a go
it was just a suggestion please keep up the good work
your fights are indeed real i enjoy them and will continue to download them
It would just be good to maybe vary the location and outfits from time to time
As i say just a suggestion hope you werent offended
cheers
You never did get back to me about the tournament you were going to sponsor for 2 1/2 thousand euros, well you and your two Greek friends. Apologies, I seem to have got the amount wrong "6300 euro sponshorship."
Maybe another time ;)
:) Look ive said in the past I RESPECT CATZREVIEW - The fights are real but the ring turns me off
sorry but it just does
As i said I have downloaded and enjoed catzreview fights and will continue to do so
Particularly the Toony v rocket fight that you pictured here
you asked for feedback from customers and I gave you genuine feedback of what i wanted to see
Please dont have a go at me for answering a question you asked
I said it would be good if you maybe had girls fighting in skirts or somethin femenine .At the time i believe there were a number of posts that agreed with this and said they would like to see this to and maybe not in a ring .you have done fights with just mats down in the past .just stick the girls in somethin femenine and VOILA !! I am sure you would get a great response
im not sure if it was me you were implying had Greek friends who wanted to sponsor a fight but i think you may be getting me confused with someone else
CATZREVIEW as ive said in the past are a good producer but i just wish you would change outfits and allow face slapping.
This is just my wish list respectfully put forward to you
Quote from: billyk123 on June 17, 2012, 05:34:00 PM
:) Look ive said in the past I RESPECT CATZREVIEW - The fights are real but the ring turns me off
sorry but it just does
As i said I have downloaded and enjoed catzreview fights and will continue to do so
Particularly the Toony v rocket fight that you pictured here
you asked for feedback from customers and I gave you genuine feedback of what i wanted to see
Please dont have a go at me for answering a question you asked
I said it would be good if you maybe had girls fighting in skirts or somethin femenine .At the time i believe there were a number of posts that agreed with this and said they would like to see this to and maybe not in a ring .you have done fights with just mats down in the past .just stick the girls in somethin femenine and VOILA !! I am sure you would get a great response
im not sure if it was me you were implying had Greek friends who wanted to sponsor a fight but i think you may be getting me confused with someone else
CATZREVIEW as ive said in the past are a good producer but i just wish you would change outfits and allow face slapping.
This is just my wish list respectfully put forward to you
Yes I must have you confused with this person.
I will have a word with John and see you someone has borrowed your e-mail address or has a similar one to you.
Yes thank you for the feedback. At the moment I do not need to change anything as my company is consistently number one on the clips4sale website, so obviously I must be doing something right. I can see where you're coming from, but if I do stockings and suspenders then I will upset the people who just want nude. If I do nude then I upset the people who just want topless. As for the ring I tend to find most people are happy with it. In this business is impossible to please everyone. :)
Good to hear you're an avid supporter of my content. :)
Thanks again for the feedback. (I must try and find out who that other guy is)
;D I know CATZ you cant please everyone
you could mix it up and maybe do some nude ,some topless ,some lingerie
The toony rocket fight was great and wasnt in a ring just a room with mats down and Rocket had suspenders on for the fight
hope you find the "Greek" with the 6000 euros to sponsor the tournament but I can assure you it aint me lol
Quote from: billyk123 on June 17, 2012, 11:51:24 PM
;D I know CATZ you cant please everyone
you could mix it up and maybe do some nude ,some topless ,some lingerie
The toony rocket fight was great and wasnt in a ring just a room with mats down and Rocket had suspenders on for the fight
hope you find the "Greek" with the 6000 euros to sponsor the tournament but I can assure you it aint me lol
We have done some T-shirt ripping catfight's. I have just filmed a catfight where the girls have permission to rip each other's thongs off during the fight. Unfortunately the fight was so intense that ripping thongs off was the last thing on their minds! :o
In the Toony vs Rocket catfight both ladies wore thongs as per usual. Maybe you were thinking of SusieLee as she had a catfight in stockings and suspenders which she took off at the earliest opportunity when she realised that you cannot grip the mats with stockings on! Girls who fight to win do not wear stockings because they cannot grip the mats. Of course you are right the Toony vs Rocket catfight is now a classic which still sells today!
In the first picture of a couple of threads back, you can see Hurricane and Tornado ripping each other to shreds. An early but very vicious catfight. ;)
Quote from: kafkod on June 15, 2012, 12:27:26 PM
Quote from: billyk123 on June 15, 2012, 09:15:49 AM
;D who mentioned any need for girls to go all out for 45 mins ?
Ive done a lot of boxing and i know how tiring fighting is
i would rather see 4/5 mins of real action than 45 mins of wrestling ring tickling giggling
also who mentioned fighting on hard floors ??? there are plenty places with safe environments and soft flooring that dont involve a rocky bilbao boxing or wrestling ring
for me ( and many others on this forum have said the same ) the ring takes the femeninity out of a fight
The point i was making is if producers want to make grappling ,wrestling rolling around on a ring floor fights thats fine but dont adveertise them as REAL catfights -THEY ARENT !!
The reason I mentioned 45 mins is that that's how long some of ECNWC's fights seem to last, after they merge all the footage they've shot into one continuous sequence.
I understand why you might feel that the ring takes the femininity out of a fight. But to me, if the rules allow slapping and hair pulling, that's catfighting, not wrestling.
And if the girls are not working from a script, or following directions from the producer, that's REAL catfighting. End of story.
I'm with you kafod, I'd rather not the ring, but it's the hairpulling and face slapping that does it for me. And it is hard to find good face slapping these days. I don't need jaw shattering just hard enough to make the other girl try to avoid it or give if she can't after a few.
Quote from: fightfanatic on June 19, 2012, 03:41:06 AM
Quote from: CATZREVIEW on June 19, 2012, 12:01:40 AM
Sounds vicious, where does it rank with others you've filmed? I'm surprised they may not have gone at the thongs though if they were that into it.
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It is vicious, and as the new girl said, "I didn't realise it was real, real." as for its ranking, I haven't got round to editing it yet so you'll just have to wait until it gets released. ;) You will have the privilege of being able to judge for yourselves. :)
it's not easy to rip another girls thong off when you're fighting for your reputation.
Thank you very much for your contribution :)
Looking forward to this being released Catz
Sounds good
Quote from: billyk123 on June 19, 2012, 10:30:50 AM
Looking forward to this being released Catz
Sounds good
Yes it is a bit of a thriller ;)
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To anybody who reckons that a catfight can't be rough and vicious if it doesn't have body punching: Look at the clumps of ripped out hair lying on the mat in this photo. Ouch!
Quote from: kafkod on June 20, 2012, 03:04:11 AM
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To anybody who reckons that a catfight can't be rough and vicious if it doesn't have body punching: Look at the clumps of ripped out hair lying on the mat in this photo. Ouch!
Yes ouch!
That particular fight was between Hurricane and Tornado. Two girls who know what the word "Vicious" means. ;) many of my modern girls will be glad that Hurricane chose to retire. :o
I love everything about Catz Review except for the constant breaks without submission and the ropes from the ring being in camera view. Like in the Leo vs Rocket fight (which was a great fight) One of the girls even wrapped her arm around the rope gaining an unfair advantage when her opponent was trying to pull her down to the mat. Other than that the fights are awesome and the women are great to look at and I think these are the best Cat fight videos around.
Quote from: TheWatchmen on June 22, 2012, 07:51:15 PM
I love everything about Catz Review except for the constant breaks without submission and the ropes from the ring being in camera view. Like in the Leo vs Rocket fight (which was a great fight) One of the girls even wrapped her arm around the rope gaining an unfair advantage when her opponent was trying to pull her down to the mat. Other than that the fights are awesome and the women are great to look at and I think these are the best Cat fight videos around.
Hello!
Good to hear that you're a fan :)
Let me just address one or two of your concerns; yes the breaks, it would be good to have continuous catfights but you cannot have submissions every few minutes. A catfight is a catfight: the only person who wins is the one who gets their opponent to submit. If you make it into multiple submissions then you're into wrestling territory. You have referred to the Leo vs Rocket catfight. I can assure you that the girls do not use the ropes anymore. That was the first time the ring was used and last time the ropes were used. :) nevertheless as you point out it is still a terrific catfight!
Thank you very much for your comments and your support :)
Quote from: CATZREVIEW on June 23, 2012, 10:01:37 AM
Quote from: TheWatchmen on June 22, 2012, 07:51:15 PM
I love everything about Catz Review except for the constant breaks without submission and the ropes from the ring being in camera view. Like in the Leo vs Rocket fight (which was a great fight) One of the girls even wrapped her arm around the rope gaining an unfair advantage when her opponent was trying to pull her down to the mat. Other than that the fights are awesome and the women are great to look at and I think these are the best Cat fight videos around.
Hello!
Good to hear that you're a fan :)
Let me just address one or two of your concerns; yes the breaks, it would be good to have continuous catfights but you cannot have submissions every few minutes. A catfight is a catfight: the only person who wins is the one who gets their opponent to submit. If you make it into multiple submissions then you're into wrestling territory. You have referred to the Leo vs Rocket catfight. I can assure you that the girls do not use the ropes anymore. That was the first time the ring was used and last time the ropes were used. :) nevertheless as you point out it is still a terrific catfight!
Thank you very much for your comments and your support :)
For me, it's the tactics used - hair pulling, with or without slapping and punching - that defines catfighting as opposed to wrestling. So I would say that a catfight can have multiple submissions. But it's important that both girls should know before the match begins exactly how many submissions they need to score in order to win. Or, if it's a count-back format, the length of time they're going to have to fight before the count-back of takes place.
Also, rest breaks should only occur in between rounds, or, if there are no rounds, after a submission is scored, and should not last for too long. Otherwise the fact that one girl may be fitter, or just more determined than her opponent to fight on while tired, will be of no benefit to her in securing victory. And that. to me, is not a 'real fight' scenario.
Quote from: kafkod on June 25, 2012, 09:38:10 PM
For me, it's the tactics used - hair pulling, with or without slapping and punching - that defines catfighting as opposed to wrestling. So I would say that a catfight can have multiple submissions. But it's important that both girls should know before the match begins exactly how many submissions they need to score in order to win. Or, if it's a count-back format, the length of time they're going to have to fight before the count-back of takes place.
Also, rest breaks should only occur in between rounds, or, if there are no rounds, after a submission is scored, and should not last for too long. Otherwise the fact that one girl may be fitter, or just more determined than her opponent to fight on while tired, will be of no benefit to her in securing victory. And that. to me, is not a 'real fight' scenario.[/quote]
A catfight without hair pulling is not really a catfight in my opinion. Wrestling is wrestling and should be left that way.
I am not in favour of multiple submissions. In real life your opponent would not give you a 2nd never mind a 3rd chance. But I do understand that some people do like multiple submissions. As a fan, it's not for me. :)
Yes proper timed breaks: my girls are real girls and not athletes. A fight in the street usually lasts around 1 1/2 minutes! My girls fight for at least 3 minutes before they get their break. Even then we like to keep the brakes to a minimum to keep the fight fair. For example, if one woman is dominant and the other is hanging on, it would be completely unfair to allow the girl that's physically tired, to regain her full strength as she could end up winning a catfight she would have lost if it had been allowed to run its natural course. :)
I also believe that we catfight fans did not give the girls the credit they deserve. I've believe that men would pay more for a catfight if they had the opportunity to meet the unfortunate lady who has lost a catfight and has some missing hair!! Good pay rates would be around double what I already charge. It is partly my fault that fans now expect brutal catfights for a few dollars!
I'm not trying to make you feel guilty; just simply trying to make you think about what's involved in a real catfight as opposed to something that's choreographed.
It's good that so many people are chipping in with their thoughts. :)
Do you allow spectators at fightd?
Quote from: BIGDAZ01 on June 26, 2012, 06:04:02 PM
Do you allow spectators at fightd?
It would depend very much on the girls. Some of them are not bothered if 100,000 people are watching, but unfortunately some girls are quite naturally even more nervous with an audience. :)
A couple of my experience girls who know what they're doing would probably not bat an eyelid. ;)
Quote from: kafkod on June 13, 2012, 07:50:00 PM
Keep on finding so many new girls who are willing to fight on camera, topless and unscripted, with other girls for our enjoyment, is the question I'm asking.
The other day I was reading the thread about ECNWC's latest fights; reading about the difficulty that producer has, even with his deep pockets and generous nature, in doing what catzreview seem to be accomplishing with ease - recruiting fresh talent quickly enough to keep up with the fans demand for new content.
In a similar vein, I remember the bru haha that went on in one of CapitalCityCatfights threads: The producer complaining about other companies poaching his girls as soon as their matches were released, and various people who seemed to know a bit about the business predicting that he would fold quickly unless he started filming topless fights. And, given that he was focusing on short, one submission matches that sold for $10 dollars or thereabouts, topless would be difficult, if not impossible to accomplish, because the 'short and cheap' format meant that he wouldn't be able to pay potential fighters enough to induce them to do it.
Catzreview though, with a much smaller pool of potential talent to work with than their US counterparts, are selling topless, one-submission-wins it fights priced, sometimes almost ridiculously cheaply, according to duration, and have not only upped their release rate to two matches per month but are introducing new girls at about the same rate.
And these are genuine, unscripted matches. Not scripted rolling and posing but REAL fights with the possibility of REAL pain and humiliation for the losers, whose friends and menfolk are very likely going to be waiting to watch the videos when they are released to see how their girl got on.
So how do they do it? I don't know. But I think they deserve some respect and recognition for the fact that they are doing it, AND turning a profit too,
Poaching is quite rife in the catfight business. CapitalCityCatfights is not the only company to suffer this problem. I would have to agree that he would struggle to make any money selling clips at $10 when paying topless rates. When I first started getting into catfighting, many years ago, a DVD would cost around £25.00. Nowadays you can get one of my top-notch fights for less than $5!! If I wanted to make money I certainly wouldn't have gotten into the catfight business. :)