An intense and vicious catfight which has both ladies going all out for the entire match. Slaps, struggling and an amazing toss to the canvas by the hair of one of the combantants makes this a fight not to be missed.
http://flic.kr/p/bcSgh6 (http://flic.kr/p/bcSgh6)
Marla, an excellent submission catfighter, wanted a shot at one of our former feateured models. Tegan, who last time out went by the name Ulga gladly accepted. The results is a slapping , agressive one submission match up not to be missed.
Steve, the link is right underneath CCC's post. It's the "clips4sale" one. I've just bought the fight myself and I'm waiting for it to download now.
Yeah, this is a good fight. A bit shorter than I expected, given the length of the clip - they have interviews before and after the action - but while it lasted, both girls gave it everything they had.
I didn't see any face slaps either, BTW, but it wasn't really that kind of fight. They were too closely tangled most of the time to land any. There was one quite hard body punch landed by Marla to Tegan's kidney area though, just a few seconds before she executed the hair pulling throw-down you can see in the photo, which took the wind right out of poor Tegan!
Marla seems to have quite a flair for spectacular and unexpected moves like that. In her first fight she took Charlie by surprise with a flying head-but to the stomach. I reckon that in a nhb fight she'd be a real handful.
This match though, I'd describe as mainly very rough hair pulling and wrestling, which ends with one girl immobilised on the canvas, wrapped up in her own arms with her opponent on top of her.
The fight is less than four minutes long, but the entire clip is over nine minutes. Some editing is definitely in order.
As for the fight, it is very fluid, with both women struggling to get the upper-hand. Another enjoyable effort by CCC.
Quote from: rbb on January 15, 2012, 10:04:06 PM
...for me the best is roma becky...
I think that has been my fav so far, too, for a couple of reasons.
I like the living room/hotel room setting over use of a boxing ring. I know using a ring is all the rage among producers now, but I think a small, carpeted room is a better fit for a good action-filled catfight.
I also enjoy watching Becky catfight. She is the quintessential woman-next-door, and she is getting better with each fight. I hope to see more of her in future CCC productions.
Quote from: pollman on January 17, 2012, 12:20:21 AMParagraph 4 refutation: Energy can be regained via a rest between submissions. It's as simple as that.
I agree, and would add that if girls can't fight intensely for more than 5 minutes, some cardio is indicated.
Quote from: steved0109 on January 16, 2012, 11:25:53 PM
Quote from: pollman on January 16, 2012, 10:25:12 PM
But would they fight as hard if they knew there would be more submissions? Would they give up more quickly? With only one submission, these girls are fighting to the bitter end, and they will do whatever it takes to not give up that one time.
In a street fight, after one submission, do the fighters continue? In MMA, do they start over after a tap?
I really think allowing multiple submissions would weaken the overall fights. Why should they fight hard to get out of this when they know all they have to do is submit and they can start over? They know if they give up, they lose.
Plus, if they are fighting all out, how much energy do you think they would have after 10 minutes. I look at these fights as sprints to a single finish, not jogging for 15 or 20 minutes.
If two women are fighting over a job or a boyfriend, they are not fighting multiple submissions. They are fighting until one woman is defeated.
This is a very good summation of the advantages of one-submission-wins-it catfights as opposed to the longer fights which are decided by a count back of submissions scored at the end.
The fact that multiple submission fights also have a lot going for them and can sometimes be better than the short fights does not make what Steve wrote illogical or indicate that he is a CCC patsy.
Which are more exiting to watch, 100m or 1500m races? To me, that is a silly question. Depends what happens in the races, and what kind of race the spectator is hoping to see.
I think that Tegan vs Marla would PROBABLY have been even better if had been longer, because I think the girl who scored the first submission would have carried on dominating and scoring more, and the loser would have carried on doing her best to fight back, and I enjoy fights that follow that particular pattern. But that's just MY preference. Other people like a different kind of outcome altogether.
For instance, the ECNWC fight between Vira and Summer is regarded by many fans as a classic, and I can understand why. To me though, that fight is unsatisfying and spoiled by the "count-back" format. The reason I say this is that it begins with one woman dominating and scoring multiple submissions. For some reason though, either through tiredness or because she knows she's too far ahead to be caught, the winner eases up and the fight ends with the "loser" on top and scoring the final submission.
Now from my point of view, that's an unsatisfactory outcome, but I'm not going to start throwing insults at people who think otherwise!
Quote from: pollman on January 17, 2012, 02:43:36 PM
The comment you've indicated as a quote of what I wrote wasn't actually written by me. It was written by Steve.
Yeah, it was what Steve wrote that I wanted to comment on.
Quote from: pollman on January 17, 2012, 02:43:36 PM
And Kafkod/Steve, perhaps you're right. It may be better for the majority of catfight fans to just boycott companies like CCC and stop purchasing their products instead of paying money for a 3 minute 13 second catfight like the one being promoted in this thread, and feeling that it is too short to pay any money for.
It would be a shame if Kafkod and Steve were correct in that we should not provide constructive feedback to a producer and avoid criticising others tastes by requesting longer catfights.
??? I didn't say anything of the kind. Don't think Steve did either.
What happened to all of Dio's posts? Let me get this straight: creeps can fantasize here about erotic activity with family members, but intelligent, witty, urbane comments so threaten the public order that they must be stomped by the jackboot of censorship?
I agree with the idea of a boycott, and it's basically what I do already. I have enough quality erotic material from over the years that there's absolutely no need to bother with junk.
This is Mike the videographer for Capital City Catfights.
We REALLY DO listen to our customers and try to make adjustments to fit the market.
I think there has been a marked improvement in our product since our first shoots and 80 percent of that has been because of feedback from fans.
Our company motto when it comes to this is:
We Listen....We Evolve......We produce
I feel that any customer who is willing to pay for a product has the right to comment on that product.
so let me know what you think
http://www.flickr.com/photos/63028362@N05/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/63028362@N05/)
http://clips4sale.com/studio/39276/Capital-City-Catfights (http://clips4sale.com/studio/39276/Capital-City-Catfights)
MIKE
Hey Pollman, how come when I posted in this thread you accused me of bumping, yet you keep on posting in it yourself?
If you can't be sensible, at least be consistent.
Lol. Anybody who compares that grovelling post you made in reply to Mike with the way you've been slagging off his work in your other contributions can see for themselves what a hypocrite you are!
So Tegan vs Marla is "A great yet brief catfight" now?
I'm glad you agree with me at last.
LOL means Laughing Out Loud, which is exactly what I'm doing right now! Have you ever thought of making a career out of comedy writing? You definitely have a talent for it.
I hope I'm allowed to join in this discussion without being accused of "bumping". And Pollman, it would be nice if we could just discuss the issue without any more name calling etc.
Regarding what you wrote about fights being stopped "prematurely", for whatever reason, yeah, they usually are less satisfying to watch. The girls involved will have been pacing themselves for a longer fight, so the result seems a little inconclusive.
On the other hand, if everyone involved knows beforehand that the first submission wins it - including the customers who buy the clip - then how can ending it after the first submission be described as "premature"?
CCC clearly state that these are short , one submission fights, and they price them accordingly.
Regarding ECC, I too am a fan of that producer and a member of their yahoo group. I've read there that ECC are themselves now filming short, single submission fights - the producer refers to them as "one-shot-matches" which they are going to be selling along with their usual 25min matches.
Also, it's true that Marla has had at least one fight with ECC, using the name "Scarlet". That match hasn't been released yet, but if you look at the date when the photographs of her fight with Tegan were taken - 14 Nov - that match clearly took place AFTER her move to ECC. In other words Marla is now fighting for both companies, which - and I think you'll agree with me on this at least - is great news for fans like us.
Yeah, I've looked at CCC's Flickr gallery. We have some real treats in store it seems. Marla vs Virginia should be a great fight, also the rematches between Marla and Charlie and Becky and Roma.
With the new matches coming up soon - I hope - from ECC and monthly releases by Catzreview here in the UK, 2012 should be a great year for fans of unscripted catfights.
If CCC were to start filming longer fights between some of the great ladies they have on their books now, I'd certainly be interested in watching them. I'd suggest best out of three or maybe five falls though, rather than to a stipulated time limit. That way, you know the fight is going to end with a submission scored by the winning lady.
Regarding RBB's point about the level of aggression, I think CCC and ECC have that about right already. I don't actually think that the ECNWC matches were any more violent than the ones we are talking about here, just a lot "dirtier", with clothes ripping, wedgies and direct attacks to the breasts and vagina.
To get girls like Marla, Virginia and Tegan to put up with treatment like that you would have to pay them a LOT of money. That's why ECNWC stopped filming. They just couldn't make enough dough to cover their costs.
I don't want to be disrespectful to the girls who work for Home-made-catfights, but they simply don't compare with the CCC and ECC line ups.
First want to reiterate that I am, like every catfight video producer I have had the pleasure to meet, a Catfight fan, first and foremost way before I got into producing.
I am a consumer of other companies that produce product that appeals to me.
What I have found most interesting about this thread is the fact that we used to produce long format womens wrestling, matter of fact our first few matches were like that. and they did not sell.
Then Briella Jaden http://www.briellajaden.com/ (http://www.briellajaden.com/)came along.
When she fought Boo-Boo and a real fight broke out, even though it was short.. it sold!
With that revelation we changed our format and found that people paid for shorter, more intense matches than longer ones.
What we thought was hey this is what the customer wants.
Looking back though and taking into account the comments on here, I think maybe our first matches did not sell because we were an unknown entity in a very competitive market.
What I would hope is that now that everyone knows the kind or product we produce, if we did move back to longer format fights that they will sell as well as the short ones.
I know we can not please everyone with every match but I do want a happy, satisfied customer.
MIKE
Quote from: pollman on January 23, 2012, 08:58:57 PM
a genuinely good catfight sells like hotcakes, it's length becomes an irrelevance.
Very true. Exactly the point I was making earlier in this thread.
I also think that SOMETIMES a short, first submission wins it format delivers the goods better than a longer fight, for the reasons outlined by Steve in one of his comments. It all depends on the girls involved and how they react to the situation.
Personally, I think a mixture of short, sudden death fights and longer, best out of three submission matches involving the same girls would be good.
There is a lady named Scarlett who has fought more than once for ECC. Her first fight was about 25 minutes and her second one about 6 minutes (don't quote me cause I haven't timed either yet). In the much longer fight her determination and skill were even more evident the longer the fight went.
Haven't yet priced the longer Scarlett fight. The shorter Scarlett fight is about a 9 minute video, but approximately 6 minutes is all fighting. Probably selling for around $10...
Looking forward to seeing Scarlett fighting for CCC. I wonder how she'd fare against Marla? ;)
Sometimes fights that end earlier than expected are ok. Other times, there is a feeling of unfinished business, as in one ECC match where the lady who scored the first submission had to pull out immediately afterwards feeling ill and was declared the winner. This seemed a little unfair on the 'loser', who was pacing herself for a longer fight and still raring to go.
Generally, I think these short fights work better if both girls know from the start that the first submission wins it. That way, they don't have to worry about conserving energy and can it everything they have from the off. Also, they will probably resist submitting more if they know it's sudden death with no way back for the girl who gives first.
BTW Steve, if you havn't seen any ECC fights, I think you'd enjoy them. The style of fighting is similar to CCC with maybe a bit more wrestling or grappling involved - probably because the fights are longer. I really like both these producers work.
Scarlett vs Marla would be a unique match. Scarlett's 6 minute fight at ECC is a good one. No holding back at all, not Scarlett's style to pace herself. She has gone hard from the start in all of her ECC catfights.
Tegan vs Marla appears to be quite good, well worth the money to find out which one won..
Quote from: East Coast Cats on February 10, 2012, 06:33:38 PM
Scarlett vs Marla would be a unique match.
It certainly would!
BTW, any idea when you are going to release the fight between Irish and Blair that you mentioned in another thread? I'm looking really forward to seeing that one.
Irish vs Blair likely a couple weeks after Scarlett vs Nikita, so maybe mid March. Blair was easily one of Irish's roughest opponents.
In boxing prelim matches go from 3-6 rounds, championship fights have been 12-15 rounds. Championship MMA matches are 5 not 3 rounds as other MMA matches are. I've filmed close to 100 matches and many fights were won by the one who lost the opening fall. Stamina, strategy, and just the will to win are generally more evident in longer fights.
You got that right, lol.
Quote from: kafkod on January 24, 2012, 12:45:23 AM
Quote from: pollman on January 23, 2012, 08:58:57 PM
a genuinely good catfight sells like hotcakes, it's length becomes an irrelevance.
Very true. Exactly the point I was making earlier in this thread.
I also think that SOMETIMES a short, first submission wins it format delivers the goods better than a longer fight, for the reasons outlined by Steve in one of his comments. It all depends on the girls involved and how they react to the situation.
Personally, I think a mixture of short, sudden death fights and longer, best out of three submission matches involving the same girls would be good.
I would have to agree as many of my fights do not last much longer than 6 minutes. Particularly with an emphatic submission! I tend to find my longer fights are not as popular. Maybe people do get bored after 20 minutes of fighting. I tend to find that as long as it's real...
So much depends on which ladies are fighting. Some matches can be intense for a very long time as neither lady wants to submit, or if she does, can't wait to get revenge in the next fall. Jana from DWW seems to get even more vicious the longer it goes. Irish from my site goes hard no matter how long it lasts even if she's clearly getting the short end.
Irish is the bomb. That girl is ready to fight whomever wherever!
Appreciate Pollman's comments, producers need as much feedback as we can get. A few points...my mats are 12'x12', many companies use 10'x10' and even 9'x9' mats including some mentioned. My videographer is better than his camera, a new camera is coming. Fights of different lengths will allow for flexibility in pricing and there likely will be a lower price for the longer matches at ECC.
In full agreement. All true producers are looking to improve their product constantly. The consumer is the final judge.
Quote from: pollman on February 12, 2012, 02:07:09 PM
Just to elaborate though. Though I stand by my original point that a genuinely good catfight sells like hotcakes, its length becomes an irrelevance. I don't agree that planned one submission catfights are appealing or a good idea. In fact, one submission catfights are particularly dumb on the producers part...
In many commercially-produced catfights, the best action often occurs
after the first submission. At that stage, the competitors have overcome any nervousness/anxiety, and each has a taste of their opponent's strengths/weaknesses.
A producer who prematurely ends a fight after the first submission in an effort to keep the length short has likely done a disservice to both the fighters and their own product.
Quote from: thirstybeermonster on February 11, 2012, 07:08:56 PM
Irish is the bomb. That girl is ready to fight whomever wherever!
Yeah, Irish is a real gutsy scrapper. I'm always amazed that a girl as pretty and delicate looking as her is so willing to go toe to toe with bigger and stronger opponents. Another ECC girl I like very much is Lexie. Like Irish, she looks fantastic and fights like a wildcat. I think that if you matched those two together it would generate some real 'hot girl competition' and be an amazing fight to watch. especially if it was filmed with that new camera. Any chance that might happen?
Quote from: steved0109 on February 13, 2012, 04:53:06 AM
Quote from: Tanproduc on February 12, 2012, 06:27:11 PM
In full agreement. All true producers are looking to improve their product constantly. The consumer is the final judge.
It seems the real proof will be if CCC produces a 20-minute fight and they compare the cost vs profit against a five-minute fight.
A couple questions for everyone...
How important is HD? To me, it is very, very important. In this day and age, low res just sucks.
Is all of Foxy Combat real? I know some is, but is all of it? I will say, their video work (close ups of the girls) is unmatched. It is so good. The buildup almost beats the fight.
Do you like seeing the same fighters over and over? If you do, at what point have you seen the same woman enough?
How important is topless? Is it worth the extra cash a producer has to pay for it?
Just curious.
I've only ever bought one fight from FC, but have you noticed how much of their material is being posted on youtube and dailymotion lately? And I don't mean short clips, but entire matches.
Personally, I've never seen anything by FC that looked remotely like a real fight. It all looks like role playing to me. Not scripted perhaps, but definitely not what I would call an actual competitive catfight or wrestling match.
And unlike you Steve, I don't like way they film their material. Yeah, the stare downs at the beginning are ok, but once the match begins, the camera person is constantly moving, zooming in and out of close-ups and tilting the camera first one way then the other, sometimes turning the picture almost completely upside down. With the girls flipping and rolling all over the place, there is just no need for all that fussy activity on the part of the camera person and I find it distracting and irritating.
Sorry if I upset any of this companies many fans, but that is my honest opinion of their work.
Regarding HD - yeah, all else being equal, it does enhance the viewers pleasure considerably. But to me it's no substitute for good content
If I like the way a particular girl looks, and the way she reacts to what happens during a fight, then I won't get tired of seeing her in action, quite the contrary. One of the reasons I enjoy unscripted fights so much is that they reveal things about the fighters character and personality. The more I see a girl in action, facing different tests against different opponents, sometimes winning, sometimes losing, the more of her character she reveals. If I feel I know something about a fighters emotional make up - her strengths and weaknesses etc, then that makes the experience of watching her in subsequent fights much more intense and personal.
Regarding topless - much the same HD really! All else being equal, it enhances my viewing pleasure a lot, but what happens during the fight is much more important.
Quote from: steved0109 on February 13, 2012, 04:53:06 AMHow important is HD?
Very. It shouldn't just be labeled HD (you know who you are) but should really be at the FC level of quality. You can tell even before you see the girls. Just watch the opening screen with the lips (is Hana a Stones fan?) snap so tightly into focus, accompanied by an appropriately tasteful little jingle: this is professional work by someone who cares about craftsmanship.