Hi all. This is a question about serious NHB catfights. How safe are NHB catfights? Is there any possibility of permanent damage (say, eyes) in grudge fights without rules? What precautions/protection should the participants take in such a fight?
Um seriously? If you have to question the safety of an unregulated fight between two people seeking to do harm to each other , may I suggest you should not be involved with such a fight either as a combatant or encouraging such a fight.
The best way to avoid injury in a NHB fight is to not have one.
I strongly suspect that the vast majority of those here who claim to participate in NHB fights actually don't... and they obviously don't understand what a NHB fight means. I had a good laugh when one member who apparently claims to have fight experience said that injuires only occur "in folklore", she obviously is A: fake and B: clueless.
These fights aren't "safe" at all. As Nutmeg said, the basic point of a NHB fight IS TO HURT SOMEONE. bites, scratches, scars, black eyes, bloody lips, even broken bones... NHB means there is no supervision and no rules. There is every possibility of permanent damage.
Keep in mind...even these cage fighters, extreme fighting MMA type men fight with taped fists and referees.
Just last week there was a news story about a fight between two female teachers that ended in one attacking the other with a screwdriver. First person to say "oh yeah , tell me more about that my mom would fight with a screwdriver" is a f*cking idiot. ::)
Thanks for your answers nutmeg and HB. I agree it could be foolish to engage in NHB fights without training and supervision. Wrestling with rules is best for beginners and amateurs.
You are right fightfanatic. I recently acquired some space in my old apartment which I won't be letting out soon, and had this crazy idea of a "fight club". And yes, rules are always better.
@fightfanatic: Thanks for your help, but I could not find a member with the name "toughxgirl23". Maybe it is a problem with spelling or my search rights.
@Queen Of Mean: Thanks for the advice. The legal question is always there. I am not sure whether I can set up a legal boxing or wrestling club in my apartment. So, it has to be underground. But I am definitely not going for NHB now. The point is to have safe fun.
@pvpp: I am from India and really do not want to get into any legal entanglements (its scary here :P). I don't want to rent out my apartment. Thanks for the advice anyway.
@fightfanatic: ok I found her. np and thanks. I will get in touch with her for general tips.
The "NHB" kind of sum it all up. If your thinking about rules or safety. You have never been in or seen a real all out catfight.
safety and NHB seems like an oxymoron. there is no safety in a NHB fights.
never mind safety let the moms decide when to stop
I have never seen any serious injuries in the catfights I have seen. They was all out fights with no rules, but no serious injuries. But safety and real fights are an oxymoron as stated
Is it really a catfight if you have rules
I don't see how there can be safety in a true NHB fight. Especially since injuries can and have happened in matches with rules.
NHB catfights are a bad idea, IMO. No rules whatsoever leaves both fighters in danger of permanent scars as a result of scratching.
new year's wishes to all. i hope i am not too late for that.
@jerry55: i agree. it is never a catfight if there are rules.
@kafkod: i now think its "technically" possible to have an NHB catfight with enough protection to completely prevent scratching, biting or eye gauging. its the unpredictable odd injury that makes it dangerous.
@fightfan: the problem is you cannot see an injury coming. i think with good enough protection, no one needs to stop a fight.
1. I've seen many fights in the internet and a few in real life. For instance after school. The girls did not do much harm rival. It is very dangerous if one woman attacked by a rival's eyes. But it is rarely encountered. This "fighting's technique" should be banned. The same applies to hits in the throat. It threatens suffocation.
In a spontaneous battle, a woman think of the fury. She wants to beat the rival to pulp, and she feels the pain.
2. Otherwise, if the fight was to have an appointment, but in their underwear, topless or naked then come another danger.
Scratches on the breasts to heal. Grabbing cxnt hair is painful, but it will not do harm.
But there are other dangers. During the attack, private parts, you can damage them. This applies to capture naked nipples. If they are getting caught in nails, they can be permanently damaged. I think the most painful place for a woman is the clitoris. Therefore, women should make an appointment can not be done before the fight. Despite this, in fury, a woman can do it.
Quote from: Queen Of Mean on January 03, 2012, 06:03:15 PM
Quote from: momfightfan on December 31, 2011, 05:49:21 AM
never mind safety let the moms decide when to stop
And how do you stop it when one has the other down and is kicking her in the ribs attempting to leave some very nasty bruising on them and the one doing the kicking is riled up enough not to realise the pain she is inflicting?
Call me old fashioned but the simple fact is when you fight its not to survive, not to deal out death, but to win and losing is not that bad if you walk away with your body intact and your teeth in your gums. Those who clamor for bone breaking, eye ripping, sexual destruction fights have never seen them irl and are actually reinforcing a stereotype that perpetuates the myth that female combat needs to result in serious injury to the participants.
i would stop a fight if it got to the place it needed stop i have seen some mom fights and they didn't get to being so violent they needed stopped they fought till one had enough and she gave and they went there seperate ways
Quote from: Queen Of Mean on January 03, 2012, 06:03:15 PM
Quote from: momfightfan on December 31, 2011, 05:49:21 AM
never mind safety let the moms decide when to stop
And how do you stop it when one has the other down and is kicking her in the ribs attempting to leave some very nasty bruising on them and the one doing the kicking is riled up enough not to realise the pain she is inflicting?
Call me old fashioned but the simple fact is when you fight its not to survive, not to deal out death, but to win and losing is not that bad if you walk away with your body intact and your teeth in your gums. Those who clamor for bone breaking, eye ripping, sexual destruction fights have never seen them irl and are actually reinforcing a stereotype that perpetuates the myth that female combat needs to result in serious injury to the participants.
so if you happened up on two adult women rolling around on the ground fighting out there issues on there own you would interfear and stop them from fighting???
I am sorry to post this. But I thought this is relevant.
I happen to be a member of a site that allows people (both men and women, but mostly men) to get in touch and organize fights. I received some sad news about a guy accidentally getting himself killed in an organized NHB fight.
I have seen quite a lot of youtube videos of vicious fights without protection, which suddenly seem a lot more dangerous to me.
NHB - I mean fighting in videomagazins... for instance Crystal Catfight
or street fight in live.
In videomagazines, after the fight women have not done much harm to each other.
But in a street fight, they do everything to win. This can cause serious damage, physical injury or even mutilation.
i have seen catfights between middle agesd women and hot moms and no real damage was done both women walked away with no help
I wonder how many of these tough guys that claim that real fights have no risk have ever been in one themselves? I mean one where someone was trying to seriously kill them or fuck them up? I sense never. Yeah some people get through a real fight ok, some people also get shot and live, but it doesn't mean a pistol duel is safe for both people either.
Quote from: nutmeg78 on January 08, 2012, 07:25:08 PM
I wonder how many of these tough guys that claim that real fights have no risk have ever been in one themselves? I mean one where someone was trying to seriously kill them or fuck them up? I sense never. Yeah some people get through a real fight ok, some people also get shot and live, but it doesn't mean a pistol duel is safe for both people either.
It would be so much easier if the guys...and some of the girls who claim to participate in them weekly...would just admit, the NHB thing is a fantasy. Hey that's cool. We all get into and off on our own thing.
Yes, real no holds barred fights happen...but don't just blather on
No one gets hurt in a fight, my mom fights all the time, I fight bitches on the half hour , I hit a bitch wtith a chair and then we had pie...
There is no such thing as safety in a true No Hold Barred. End of discussion.
If there is a ref or others present with the purpose of preventing permanent injury, then it is not NHB. It may be very rough, but it is not really NHB. Extreme rough matches can occur with limited rules, but there are still rules.
Most so-called NHB fight are actually encounters between two people who fight within social conventions. Neither intend to kill the other and neither expect the other to kill her. Two women fight or meet to fight for whatever reason. If one gives up, the winner stops in a reasonable time. She may hit her a couple more times or inflict another scratch, but she doesn't kill or maim her. If one chokes the other out, she releases the pressure--she doesn't hold the choke till death. If one is knocked out with a punch, the victor doesn't continue beating the senseless woman into a pile of goo. When the social convention collapses, that is when the police and law become involved. People who do not honor the social conventions are the one who get convicted of murder and aggravated asault.
The social convention differs from group to group. For example, two moms fighting over a disagreement at the previous evening's PTA meeting will have a different threshhold of what is acceptable than an angry wife fighting the "other woman". The mental constraints of the situations differ - but some mutual sense of acceptability still exists. The problems happen when the two combatants have radically different ideas of acceptability. That can result in the situation mentioning the police in the previous paragraph.
Rough planned fights are possible but that word "planned" is important. For example, protective gear can make it posible for fewer rules. Also, a few absolute rules can exist which will allow for a rough apparently "no constraint shown" fight - as long as those few rules are followed - with others present to ensure their following.
But again, an actual No Holds Barred fight between equals cannot co-exist with safety.
im just saying i have seen a few real catfights between middle aged women and none of them received any real harm they all walked away from the fight just fine. they lost some hair and was clawed up a bit but they was just fine. i am sure there is fights where one or both of the women do receive real injuries. the fights i have seen have been between middle aged moms not trained or experienced fighters
Quote from: Joannie on January 08, 2012, 08:20:04 PM
There is no such thing as safety in a true No Hold Barred. End of discussion.
If there is a ref or others present with the purpose of preventing permanent injury, then it is not NHB. It may be very rough, but it is not really NHB. Extreme rough matches can occur with limited rules, but there are still rules.
Most so-called NHB fight are actually encounters between two people who fight within social conventions. Neither intend to kill the other and neither expect the other to kill her. Two women fight or meet to fight for whatever reason. If one gives up, the winner stops in a reasonable time. She may hit her a couple more times or inflict another scratch, but she doesn't kill or maim her. If one chokes the other out, she releases the pressure--she doesn't hold the choke till death. If one is knocked out with a punch, the victor doesn't continue beating the senseless woman into a pile of goo. When the social convention collapses, that is when the police and law become involved. People who do not honor the social conventions are the one who get convicted of murder and aggravated asault.
The social convention differs from group to group. For example, two moms fighting over a disagreement at the previous evening's PTA meeting will have a different threshhold of what is acceptable than an angry wife fighting the "other woman". The mental constraints of the situations differ - but some mutual sense of acceptability still exists. The problems happen when the two combatants have radically different ideas of acceptability. That can result in the situation mentioning the police in the previous paragraph.
Rough planned fights are possible but that word "planned" is important. For example, protective gear can make it posible for fewer rules. Also, a few absolute rules can exist which will allow for a rough apparently "no constraint shown" fight - as long as those few rules are followed - with others present to ensure their following.
But again, an actual No Holds Barred fight between equals cannot co-exist with safety.
Nice post
Quote from: rozczochrany on January 08, 2012, 02:48:56 AM
NHB - I mean fighting in videomagazins... for instance Crystal Catfight
or street fight in live.
In videomagazines, after the fight women have not done much harm to each other.
But in a street fight, they do everything to win. This can cause serious damage, physical injury or even mutilation.
this what im saying in the fights i seen the women walked away like in the video magazine fight and the ones i seen the women did alot of hair pulling and slapping than punching they was more feminine than most of the women in the vidoe magazines
Hi all. I appreciate all your responses and apologize for coming on so late.
NHB, as it turns out is a misnomer in case of arranged fights, and should be substituted with something more apt.
True NHB fights are probably gang fights or fights in similar extreme cases (not even bar fights) and cannot happen in arranged fights due to social conventions.
Quote from: momfightfan on January 11, 2012, 01:32:08 PM
im just saying i have seen a few real catfights between middle aged women and none of them received any real harm they all walked away from the fight just fine. they lost some hair and was clawed up a bit but they was just fine. i am sure there is fights where one or both of the women do receive real injuries. the fights i have seen have been between middle aged moms not trained or experienced fighters
Any time women catfight they will lose some hair and get clawed up
Quote from: brenda2 on January 21, 2012, 06:19:06 AM
Quote from: momfightfan on January 11, 2012, 01:32:08 PM
im just saying i have seen a few real catfights between middle aged women and none of them received any real harm they all walked away from the fight just fine. they lost some hair and was clawed up a bit but they was just fine. i am sure there is fights where one or both of the women do receive real injuries. the fights i have seen have been between middle aged moms not trained or experienced fighters
Any time women catfight they will lose some hair and get clawed up
That is the type of catfights I have seen and yes the women had some hair pulled out and got some scratchs
Quote from: norm1960 on January 24, 2012, 06:29:13 AM
This looks real.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xbtg3x_dww-topless-catfight-brutal_sport
It is also not two amateur women fighting.
Quote from: Queen Of Mean on February 27, 2012, 09:32:35 PM
Quote from: fightfanatic on February 27, 2012, 09:29:49 PM
(sigh) Here we go again...........
No a video is not IRL it is a depiction of what someone wants to sell you, so don't confuse it with an amateur situation in which two women decide to fight NHB, there is no safety there and never will be.
The old real events of DWW with the participation of Black amazons (some of those contets i have seen personaly in the past ) are
VIDEOS ? ;D ;D ;D
Is not IRL ??? :-\ :-\ :-\
just some of those events have recorded and sold for money.But those contests are REAL @ AUTHENTIC FIGHTS!!!Those contets were in front of people that they have paid a lot of money to watch and those contests the fighters were giving the best ...they HAD !!! ;)
P.S. NHB contests in REAL LIFE dont exist except in your FANTASY!!! ;)
Noone woman if even be paid a lot of money accept to fight NHB and be in danger to be injured !!!
Only RULES CATFIGHTS EXIST IN REAL LIFE !!!
thxxx
Why is this thread even continuing? Come on.
It is simple. All these videos, Crystal, DWW, the girls may be really fighting hard, but they're fighting in a staged environment, with rules. You can imagine no one will be allowed to grab a broken bottle, a rock, a chair, a chain, and use it. The DWW videos , many are before an audience and the girls wear gloves in some cases. They may fight hard but someone will step in if things go too far.
Go to youtube, see the shaky phone-cam videos of teenage skanks or club/party girls or neighborhood hoes beating each other senseless in a backyard or in the street. If that gets you off, and heaven help us, we hope it really doesn't, there's your NHB.
Quote from: Jolene on February 29, 2012, 08:53:06 PM
Queen and Joannie are right.
First of all, a NHB fight is even theoretically impossible except maybe between two sociapaths, one of whom will likely kill the other. Everyone except a sociopath comes to a fight with some idea of rules, particularly in the case of an arranged fight but even in spontaneous brawls, even if these rules are never discussed or articulated. Streetfighting has rules, even if they are never writtten down. Otherwise, how could anyone talk about a fight being fair or unfair, if there are no rules? The two opponents may not have the same idea, but everyone has some idea of the rules by which they are fighting, ever if they think it is to be a fight to the death. NHB means that there are no rules; it is literally impossible. At most, it can mean that there are no specifically stipulated rules.
Secondly, anyone who agreed to a really NHB fight would be agreeing to a deathmatch, which is insane.
Thirdly, and realistically, speaking as a woman who likes to fight IRL and has watched and participated in a number of arranged catfights, I think any sane person would exclude as a bare minimum: closed fist blows or scratching above the shoulders, eye gouging or pressure, distention of limbs to cause injury, kicking of a prone opponent by a standing woman, nipple distention and vaginal or anal penetration. I would generally insist on prohibiting kick or blows to the crotch as well and stipulate that fingernails be cut short and round. This certainly does not eliminate danger of accidental serious injury, which can always happen when you get knocked down, bang into a wall, get your head twisted in a headlock, or get pinned to the floor by a grip on your throat, etc., but it at least limits the danger in acting out an inherently dangerous fetish. Adding protective equipment can or could reduce the danger, but since we are basically acting out a fantasy of primal feminine rivalry, it doesn't fit in well with the basic premise of our fetish.
Fourthly, the legal consequences cannot be underestimated. Unless you can set up an officially recognized (and therefore regulated) sports facility and pass off catfighting as a sport, which is unlikely at best and too much trouble for the occasional catfighter, your only way to avoid running foul of the law is to have enough rules to give reasonable assurance that neither of you will get hurt bad enough to involve a police report. Otherwise somebody will likely be charged with assault despite any disclaimers and even if the injured woman does not want to press charges and, as is likely, wants to avoid publicity. There are probably other hobbies which are physically just as dangerous as rules catfighting, but they don't carry the same legal consequences in case of accidental injury.
Basically people who can't tell fantasy from reality are crazy and dangerous. I love my fantasies as much as anyone, but although I do admire a got fight in real life, I certainly don't want to end up with either me or my rival in the hospital and/or in jail. In fact, I don't want to got to work on Monday morning with my face looking like I was stepped on by a horse or run over by a garden rake. An accidental black eye I can cover with sunglasses and a limp I can explain as a fall on the front steps, but I'm not interested in have my real life ruined by my crazyass fetish hobby.
I've said much the same thing here and in another thread about injuries in real life fights. Now, there are some who claim to fight all out on a regular basis and pretty much walk around without a scratch. Whatever.
And there was one member here who literally said that reports of women being seriously hurt in real life fights are an "urban legend". So for those who doubt or keep confusing fantasy and reality, here you go:
http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/306511/28/11-year-old-girl-dies-after-fight-over-a-boy
An extreme case, yes, but, also as I noted earlier in the thread, there was another story about one female teacher attacking another with a screwdriver. And it was just a year or two back when there was the awful story about a teenaged girl attacked and beaten by several other girls at a slumber party set up to be a beating...and yeah the whole thing was video taped for Youtube. And you know some sick fucks got off on it.
People, get real. Fantasy is fine but keep it fantasy. Real life fights aren't two saloon girls in frilly dresses rolling and tearing and falling through windows without a scratch.
Quote from: HB on February 29, 2012, 10:37:45 PM
Quote from: Jolene on February 29, 2012, 08:53:06 PM
Queen and Joannie are right.
First of all, a NHB fight is even theoretically impossible except maybe between two sociapaths, one of whom will likely kill the other. Everyone except a sociopath comes to a fight with some idea of rules, particularly in the case of an arranged fight but even in spontaneous brawls, even if these rules are never discussed or articulated. Streetfighting has rules, even if they are never writtten down. Otherwise, how could anyone talk about a fight being fair or unfair, if there are no rules? The two opponents may not have the same idea, but everyone has some idea of the rules by which they are fighting, ever if they think it is to be a fight to the death. NHB means that there are no rules; it is literally impossible. At most, it can mean that there are no specifically stipulated rules.
Secondly, anyone who agreed to a really NHB fight would be agreeing to a deathmatch, which is insane.
Thirdly, and realistically, speaking as a woman who likes to fight IRL and has watched and participated in a number of arranged catfights, I think any sane person would exclude as a bare minimum: closed fist blows or scratching above the shoulders, eye gouging or pressure, distention of limbs to cause injury, kicking of a prone opponent by a standing woman, nipple distention and vaginal or anal penetration. I would generally insist on prohibiting kick or blows to the crotch as well and stipulate that fingernails be cut short and round. This certainly does not eliminate danger of accidental serious injury, which can always happen when you get knocked down, bang into a wall, get your head twisted in a headlock, or get pinned to the floor by a grip on your throat, etc., but it at least limits the danger in acting out an inherently dangerous fetish. Adding protective equipment can or could reduce the danger, but since we are basically acting out a fantasy of primal feminine rivalry, it doesn't fit in well with the basic premise of our fetish.
Fourthly, the legal consequences cannot be underestimated. Unless you can set up an officially recognized (and therefore regulated) sports facility and pass off catfighting as a sport, which is unlikely at best and too much trouble for the occasional catfighter, your only way to avoid running foul of the law is to have enough rules to give reasonable assurance that neither of you will get hurt bad enough to involve a police report. Otherwise somebody will likely be charged with assault despite any disclaimers and even if the injured woman does not want to press charges and, as is likely, wants to avoid publicity. There are probably other hobbies which are physically just as dangerous as rules catfighting, but they don't carry the same legal consequences in case of accidental injury.
Basically people who can't tell fantasy from reality are crazy and dangerous. I love my fantasies as much as anyone, but although I do admire a got fight in real life, I certainly don't want to end up with either me or my rival in the hospital and/or in jail. In fact, I don't want to got to work on Monday morning with my face looking like I was stepped on by a horse or run over by a garden rake. An accidental black eye I can cover with sunglasses and a limp I can explain as a fall on the front steps, but I'm not interested in have my real life ruined by my crazyass fetish hobby.
I've said much the same thing here and in another thread about injuries in real life fights. Now, there are some who claim to fight all out on a regular basis and pretty much walk around without a scratch. Whatever.
And there was one member here who literally said that reports of women being seriously hurt in real life fights are an "urban legend". So for those who doubt or keep confusing fantasy and reality, here you go:
http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/306511/28/11-year-old-girl-dies-after-fight-over-a-boy
An extreme case, yes, but, also as I noted earlier in the thread, there was another story about one female teacher attacking another with a screwdriver. And it was just a year or two back when there was the awful story about a teenaged girl attacked and beaten by several other girls at a slumber party set up to be a beating...and yeah the whole thing was video taped for Youtube. And you know some sick fucks got off on it.
People, get real. Fantasy is fine but keep it fantasy. Real life fights aren't two saloon girls in frilly dresses rolling and tearing and falling through windows without a scratch.
Could not have said it better myself HB.
Quote from: HB on February 29, 2012, 10:37:45 PM
Quote from: Jolene on February 29, 2012, 08:53:06 PM
Queen and Joannie are right.
First of all, a NHB fight is even theoretically impossible except maybe between two sociapaths, one of whom will likely kill the other. Everyone except a sociopath comes to a fight with some idea of rules, particularly in the case of an arranged fight but even in spontaneous brawls, even if these rules are never discussed or articulated. Streetfighting has rules, even if they are never writtten down. Otherwise, how could anyone talk about a fight being fair or unfair, if there are no rules? The two opponents may not have the same idea, but everyone has some idea of the rules by which they are fighting, ever if they think it is to be a fight to the death. NHB means that there are no rules; it is literally impossible. At most, it can mean that there are no specifically stipulated rules.
Secondly, anyone who agreed to a really NHB fight would be agreeing to a deathmatch, which is insane.
Thirdly, and realistically, speaking as a woman who likes to fight IRL and has watched and participated in a number of arranged catfights, I think any sane person would exclude as a bare minimum: closed fist blows or scratching above the shoulders, eye gouging or pressure, distention of limbs to cause injury, kicking of a prone opponent by a standing woman, nipple distention and vaginal or anal penetration. I would generally insist on prohibiting kick or blows to the crotch as well and stipulate that fingernails be cut short and round. This certainly does not eliminate danger of accidental serious injury, which can always happen when you get knocked down, bang into a wall, get your head twisted in a headlock, or get pinned to the floor by a grip on your throat, etc., but it at least limits the danger in acting out an inherently dangerous fetish. Adding protective equipment can or could reduce the danger, but since we are basically acting out a fantasy of primal feminine rivalry, it doesn't fit in well with the basic premise of our fetish.
Fourthly, the legal consequences cannot be underestimated. Unless you can set up an officially recognized (and therefore regulated) sports facility and pass off catfighting as a sport, which is unlikely at best and too much trouble for the occasional catfighter, your only way to avoid running foul of the law is to have enough rules to give reasonable assurance that neither of you will get hurt bad enough to involve a police report. Otherwise somebody will likely be charged with assault despite any disclaimers and even if the injured woman does not want to press charges and, as is likely, wants to avoid publicity. There are probably other hobbies which are physically just as dangerous as rules catfighting, but they don't carry the same legal consequences in case of accidental injury.
Basically people who can't tell fantasy from reality are crazy and dangerous. I love my fantasies as much as anyone, but although I do admire a got fight in real life, I certainly don't want to end up with either me or my rival in the hospital and/or in jail. In fact, I don't want to got to work on Monday morning with my face looking like I was stepped on by a horse or run over by a garden rake. An accidental black eye I can cover with sunglasses and a limp I can explain as a fall on the front steps, but I'm not interested in have my real life ruined by my crazyass fetish hobby.
I've said much the same thing here and in another thread about injuries in real life fights. Now, there are some who claim to fight all out on a regular basis and pretty much walk around without a scratch. Whatever.
And there was one member here who literally said that reports of women being seriously hurt in real life fights are an "urban legend". So for those who doubt or keep confusing fantasy and reality, here you go:
http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/306511/28/11-year-old-girl-dies-after-fight-over-a-boy
An extreme case, yes, but, also as I noted earlier in the thread, there was another story about one female teacher attacking another with a screwdriver. And it was just a year or two back when there was the awful story about a teenaged girl attacked and beaten by several other girls at a slumber party set up to be a beating...and yeah the whole thing was video taped for Youtube. And you know some sick fucks got off on it.
People, get real. Fantasy is fine but keep it fantasy. Real life fights aren't two saloon girls in frilly dresses rolling and tearing and falling through windows without a scratch.
Great analysis HB !
I agree 100% !
Quote from: HB on January 08, 2012, 07:56:10 PM
Quote from: nutmeg78 on January 08, 2012, 07:25:08 PM
I wonder how many of these tough guys that claim that real fights have no risk have ever been in one themselves? I mean one where someone was trying to seriously kill them or fuck them up? I sense never. Yeah some people get through a real fight ok, some people also get shot and live, but it doesn't mean a pistol duel is safe for both people either.
It would be so much easier if the guys...and some of the girls who claim to participate in them weekly...would just admit, the NHB thing is a fantasy. Hey that's cool. We all get into and off on our own thing.
Yes, real no holds barred fights happen...but don't just blather on No one gets hurt in a fight, my mom fights all the time, I fight bitches on the half hour , I hit a bitch wtith a chair and then we had pie...
Good post! Your line "I hit the bitch with a chair and then we had pie..." is hilarious.
Quote from: Joannie on January 08, 2012, 08:20:04 PM
There is no such thing as safety in a true No Hold Barred. End of discussion.
If there is a ref or others present with the purpose of preventing permanent injury, then it is not NHB. It may be very rough, but it is not really NHB. Extreme rough matches can occur with limited rules, but there are still rules.
Most so-called NHB fight are actually encounters between two people who fight within social conventions. Neither intend to kill the other and neither expect the other to kill her. Two women fight or meet to fight for whatever reason. If one gives up, the winner stops in a reasonable time. She may hit her a couple more times or inflict another scratch, but she doesn't kill or maim her. If one chokes the other out, she releases the pressure--she doesn't hold the choke till death. If one is knocked out with a punch, the victor doesn't continue beating the senseless woman into a pile of goo. When the social convention collapses, that is when the police and law become involved. People who do not honor the social conventions are the one who get convicted of murder and aggravated asault.
The social convention differs from group to group. For example, two moms fighting over a disagreement at the previous evening's PTA meeting will have a different threshhold of what is acceptable than an angry wife fighting the "other woman". The mental constraints of the situations differ - but some mutual sense of acceptability still exists. The problems happen when the two combatants have radically different ideas of acceptability. That can result in the situation mentioning the police in the previous paragraph.
Rough planned fights are possible but that word "planned" is important. For example, protective gear can make it posible for fewer rules. Also, a few absolute rules can exist which will allow for a rough apparently "no constraint shown" fight - as long as those few rules are followed - with others present to ensure their following.
But again, an actual No Holds Barred fight between equals cannot co-exist with safety.
I think the above quote summed it up. I agree with Joannie.
To clarify, I have never ever done NHB in real life, only in cyber. The closest thing to NHB imho would be MMA.
Quote from: Wrestlerjunkee on March 18, 2012, 10:35:00 AM
To clarify, I have never ever done NHB in real life, only in cyber. The closest thing to NHB imho would be MMA.
I would have to go with street fights there, for the simple reason no one has ever pulled a knife on GSP mid fight in MMA. But MMA is a good basis. If the fight you are doing or watching has more rules than MMA, it sure as hell isn't NHB.