So my friends and I have been arguing something, let's see what you guys think about this. It's been a long and tiring fight (irl). You've finally got this girl in your favorite hold, and it's deep. You can feel her struggling but there's no way she's getting out. You're getting that rush that you get when you know the other girl is helpless and you're really enjoying the feeling. But the rules of the match say if she submits, you have to let her go immediately. Is it more satisfying to feel her tap and have to admit she's beaten or to knock her out?
I agree, I think the added humiliation possibilities of making the loser admit the other girl is better is hotter.
and then of course, I like it when she knocks the loser out anyway. :D
Jessica,
what if your on the losing end? would you tap or take the knockout?
Just to clarify, we ARE talking about irl here, so no harpua, both is not an option :) And pete, we're very careful, submissions are instantly acknowledged and knockouts are done with a ref present.
Tough question wrestleu. When I'm winning, it's hard to say but I think I prefer to force her to submit. But if I'm losing, I'd probably rather submit too. Getting knocked out basically means you lost AND she did whatever she wanted to you. I just happen to love the feeling of a girl giving up and her face when she finally taps out
Anklebiter...you're funny
i bet that does not happen to you often
I know jessica.
IRL it's no question, a knockout is something that would likely require medical attention, and that just complicates things too much.
but I work strictly in the world of fantasy, so I'm just sayin. :D
I've talked to my ex girlfriend, who used to fight, about this subject quite a bit.
For her, despite badly losing the only two fights she had participated in, she always tried going for the knockout.
She's always said she would prefer a knockout victory over a surrender because it shows you're complete absolutely domination of your opponent. When you knock them out they literally can't do anything to stop you anymore. It's certain that you've won. There can never been any questions about how the fight was called, mistakenly tapping out, ect. Even when it's clear a person wants out she said she just gets more turned on knowing she actually knocked out her opponent and delivering that "final" blow. She said obviously, she wasn't a monster and she wouldn't knock someone out against their will if they surrendered first
I think she felt even stronger about wanting and desiring the knockout after she lost her fight fight badly, which ended in her being knocked out. She described it as the worst embarrassment she's ever felt and she wanted her future opponents to experience it. Knowing that she was unconscious and not able to stop the other girl from doing what she wanted to her was a very unsettling feeling. She didn't know if the girl had humiliated her further, mocking her unconscious body, she had no idea what the girl said to me or did with me while she was out, ect. She said she just can't stand the helpless feeling you get after you've been knocked out. After all, you don't even gave the option to beg or plead with your opponent not to do something to you if your not even conscious.
I'd be inclined to agree with my ex-girlfriend that being knocked out is the worst and most humiliating way to go out, especially if there is someone there watching the fight. I think my girlfriend would agree that part of the reason she was so embarrassed was because she was destroyed in front of me. Sure you'll feel embarrassed after any loss, but just knowing that your significant other seen you at your lowest can be an incredibly difficult thing to shake mentally. When you see someone unconscious and out cold you KNOW they were defeated by a superior opponent, and it's very difficult to rationalize that the person your looking at ever had a chance at all in the fight.
It's a very defeating experience for the loser, which in turn can often make the win more gratifying for the winner. I know this personally as I have been knocked out in front of my ex-girlfriend, the same girl I mentioned fought for me. I tried to help her cope with her losses by offering to fight another guy for her entertainment in order to kinda level the playing field so to speak. I'd never let my girlfriend do something for me that I wouldn't do. Unfortunately, I was beaten badly and knocked out shortly into the fight.
Let me tell you, waking back up, knowing that you've lost badly, in front of your significant other, is just a devastating experience and absolutely crushing on your ego.
Despite all that, my ex-girlfriend said she would still rather be knocked out than surrender because she feels that she must do everything in her power to win the fight while conscious, which is the way I feel as well.
Just curious Jessica, have you ever lost a fight by knockout? I'm just wondering if you have the same feelings my ex had being getting knocked out.
Quote from: jessicasinger on August 30, 2011, 03:43:24 AM
Just to clarify, we ARE talking about irl here, so no harpua, both is not an option :) And pete, we're very careful, submissions are instantly acknowledged and knockouts are done with a ref present.
Tough question wrestleu. When I'm winning, it's hard to say but I think I prefer to force her to submit. But if I'm losing, I'd probably rather submit too. Getting knocked out basically means you lost AND she did whatever she wanted to you. I just happen to love the feeling of a girl giving up and her face when she finally taps out
Anklebiter...you're funny
So you're saying that you have a ref present for safety concerns, but once someone is unconscious the winner has her way with her? Not sure I believe this is happening irl.
Besides, wouldn't it be worse to be conscious for the humiliation than to have no memory of it?
Please give us some more details of your victories or losses.
Quote from: wrestleu2000 on August 30, 2011, 03:10:01 PM
So you're saying that you have a ref present for safety concerns, but once someone is unconscious the winner has her way with her? Not sure I believe this is happening irl.
Besides, wouldn't it be worse to be conscious for the humiliation than to have no memory of it?
Please give us some more details of your victories or losses.
No no you misunderstand. A knockout is the end of a fight, instantly. It's more UFC than WWE, if someone's not responding, the other fighter gets pulled away. So far no one's gotten hurt more than the regular bumps and bruises. I guess it's not even technically a "knockout" since a couple times the fight's been stopped and someone's just extremely woozy. Does that clear anything up? We're not killing each other...
Quote from: wrestleu2000 on August 30, 2011, 03:10:01 PM
Quote from: jessicasinger on August 30, 2011, 03:43:24 AM
Just to clarify, we ARE talking about irl here, so no harpua, both is not an option :) And pete, we're very careful, submissions are instantly acknowledged and knockouts are done with a ref present.
Tough question wrestleu. When I'm winning, it's hard to say but I think I prefer to force her to submit. But if I'm losing, I'd probably rather submit too. Getting knocked out basically means you lost AND she did whatever she wanted to you. I just happen to love the feeling of a girl giving up and her face when she finally taps out
Anklebiter...you're funny
So you're saying that you have a ref present for safety concerns, but once someone is unconscious the winner has her way with her? Not sure I believe this is happening irl.
Besides, wouldn't it be worse to be conscious for the humiliation than to have no memory of it?
Please give us some more details of your victories or losses.
Pretty sure she's just meant that it's an uncomfortable feeling, not knowing what's happened to you after you've been knocked out. It's not necessarily that something did actually happen.
Jess tell us more about your personal fights though! What's the most fun way you've won? Surrender or knockout, and what's the worst way you've lost?
Knocking someone out is the best way to win and the worst way to lose it means total domination or total humiliate
I think it would be more embarassing to submit, admitting you've lost than trying to hang on and getting ko'ed.
Submission victory is far more satisfying because it is an admission of defeat and actually takes skill. A lucky submission is rare. A lucky KO is much more common, since all it takes is one lucky punch to the right place. There is a reason why fighters getting their ass kicked are often told to try to get a KO..
I love to see the loser being humiliated and think that losing by a submission would be more humiliating then being KO'd.
Quote from: nutmeg78 on September 02, 2011, 10:56:32 PM
Submission victory is far more satisfying because it is an admission of defeat and actually takes skill. A lucky submission is rare. A lucky KO is much more common, since all it takes is one lucky punch to the right place. There is a reason why fighters getting their ass kicked are often told to try to get a KO..
I Agree with Meg on this, I hate using KO's in my fights.
Speaking from personal experience here... being knocked out is the absolute worst.
A loss by submission is very embarrassing, but think of how you've been submitted in a real fight. Has anyone really made you lick their pussy, or made you beg for your dignity? That stuff is really hot in a fantasy setting, but in reality it doesn't happen often.
When I was submitted by ex boyfriends current girlfriend it was terribly embarrassing to lose in front of him, but after I tapped out, it ended. She released me. What ended up happening was that she managed to pin my arms down with her legs because I made a mistake. From there she just moved into a more dominant position and I was forced to give. I almost felt robbed or cheated with how quick it was over. She won, but it felt like it was because of a silly mistake I made.
On the other hand, when my boyfriends ex knocked me out in another "fall" it was much worse. Sure knockouts can happen by accident, but honestly it seems like it's harder for a girl to land that "lucky punch" everyone keeps talking about. In my fight, as embarrassed I am to admit it, my ex's current girlfriend completely destroyed me. I underestimated her, thinking she was a just a prissy little bitch but she really took it to me and the fight was over wayy before the knockout. Actually, that's what makes the knockout so much more embarrassing. It's the icing on the cake for the winner. It's that final blow that leaves you completely and utterly destroyed and defeated, while your opponent is left standing over you triumphantly.
Their is no question of who won or who lost. It's clear and the embarrassment for the loser is inescapable.
Jessica i woulld like to hear about how the fights played out. I had looked forward to hear you explain what happened in a little more detail. You do a good job in describing things it is almost like i can see it while reading it. anyway hope you can post it. Thanks
Quote from: snw on September 16, 2011, 03:29:15 PM
Jessica i woulld like to hear about how the fights played out. I had looked forward to hear you explain what happened in a little more detail. You do a good job in describing things it is almost like i can see it while reading it. anyway hope you can post it. Thanks
I will, I really owe it you guys. Thanks for being so supportive, even after the loss.
The wrestling match went pretty much like I mentioned above. There wasn't much to it, she managed to get the pin on me quickly and I wasn't able to put up much of a fight.
I'll be posting about the second fight of the day in my old thread soon though.
Was there any talking back and forth in the wrestling match and did ya'll have the same attire as th day before?
Personally, it depends for me.
If its Spon- I prefer a ko to some nasty bitch in a bar or club or starts something.
In my arranged- we always go for submission. I find it more humiliating. Both of us start with a stare down, confident of victory. Normally there is some kind of stake (nothing over the top irl)- and one will be trapped, and you see the defeat in their eye as you gradually grind a submission- to vocally admit you are weaker then the other girl, and by default allow her to do the stake on you, is more humiliating to me.
I would prefer submissions.... knockout can get out of hand
I agree with Jessica and Holly, knockouts are the worst...and when you wake up you are disorientated, with no idea what she did too you while you were out...
I love to watch dvds of two girls wrestling, not fighting but wrestling....something I have noticed....you can always tell when a girl is thinking about giving up...its not in their faces....the first indication a girl is thinking about giving up in a wrestling match, submission wrestling....she will start spreading her legs at times when its not really necessary or even a good move.... :)
for a fight to really prove who is best there need to be no witnesses, that gives
the top girl full rein to exert her power over the loser and leave no doubt she is the best
in whatever way she chooses....if you let anyone watch they always want to decide
when the loser's had enough and thats b/s....only the winner should decide that]
Quote from: grlwrestler joanne on October 20, 2011, 05:34:26 AM
I prefer to have my opponents submit to me, as i don't really have a 'knock out' punch, lol......BUT when i'm in a submission hold,i usually tend to go til i pass out,i AM stubborn about tapping out(IRL) which sucks when waking up and not knowing where i am,or what happened for the first few seconds.....eyes are teary,blurry,....head hurts (throbbing sensation),nausea sometimes....and dizziness that stays with me for awhile.
Having been a victim of a few sleeper holds myself, it does feel like i "slept" for a long time,even if it was just only a few seconds,or minutes.... :o ::)
:) :-*
So you're not scared the other fighter won't know when to let up on a sleeperhold? They can be dangerous.
Quote from: sophia_m on November 04, 2011, 07:30:38 AM
Quote from: grlwrestler joanne on October 20, 2011, 05:34:26 AM
I prefer to have my opponents submit to me, as i don't really have a 'knock out' punch, lol......BUT when i'm in a submission hold,i usually tend to go til i pass out,i AM stubborn about tapping out(IRL) which sucks when waking up and not knowing where i am,or what happened for the first few seconds.....eyes are teary,blurry,....head hurts (throbbing sensation),nausea sometimes....and dizziness that stays with me for awhile.
Having been a victim of a few sleeper holds myself, it does feel like i "slept" for a long time,even if it was just only a few seconds,or minutes.... :o ::)
:) :-*
You're way more hardcore than me, I'll submit for sure if I know I'm done for. Better than being knocked out, then you're helpless AND dizzy
Its also oddly trusting of your opponents not to say break a limb since a lot of limb based submission holds are designed to do just that in the long haul...although speaking from the other side of it hearing something crack in someone being stubborn would make me smile in real life..:)
I prefer seeing the submission...
With a knockout its over and there is no reaction from the loser...
Where as with a submission you get to hear her pleas of giving up and see the tears from the pain.
Finally someone agrees with me on something hahaha
How is this even a question? Knocking someone out is foolish and dangerous in real life. The fighter could have a concussion or worse. Anytime oxygen to the brain is cut off or there is enough trauma to knock someone out, that is an instant call of medical attention and possible legal liability.
Quote from: HB on November 05, 2011, 09:15:26 PM
How is this even a question? Knocking someone out is foolish and dangerous in real life. The fighter could have a concussion or worse. Anytime oxygen to the brain is cut off or there is enough trauma to knock someone out, that is an instant call of medical attention and possible legal liability.
I've heard this argument before, and I think it's a little overprotective. We're not stupid, we're not trying to kill anybody. Boys knock each other out all the time, from middle school football to UFC fights. If I'm gonna try to knock someone out with a facesit, for example, I'm gonna get off when they stop struggling. I don't know if they're technically even "knocked out", so much as they're just super woozy for a while. The only time I've ever seen medical attention called for was for a broken ankle, and it didn't come from a submission hold
I agree with Jessica, boys knock each other out all the time, due to fighting, sports etc. And in most cases they don't have to go to the hospital...I think jessica just admitted her favorite way to"Ko" is the facesit...lol
This is my favorite chokehold(not sure what the name is I have a pic at the bottom of this message the link) anyway it take's alot of upperbody strength to hold them down until the choke take effect, an remember their's no waist scissor in this position.
http://tinypic.com/r/2uglxrk/5
I've seen,and been in fights where either one girl submitted or was knocked out,and most of the time,there are others around watching,where it be other girls...friends of the fighters,or a crowd from a spontaneous fight that broke out,rarley is it alone,in private one on one.
I had one private fight in all my fights,and before we even met to fight,we met a few times at different locations to get to know each other better,warm up to each other,so there was a little trust there when we did fight.
And this was about a three month time span until we fought.
When it comes to Lawsuits,or liability well, it's more like 99.9% of the time,they don't exist,and if so, most are thrown out of court anyway (i know,i work for the court system).
I think two girl can agree to rules prior too the fight...but unless the girl on the bottom brings a second along with her...the girl on top can through the rules out the window....and do pretty much whatever she wants too