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Poll
Question: Who will win the fight for the Apartment Catfight champion title?
Option 1: Laura Ashely votes: 84
Option 2: Gabrielle White votes: 20
Title: Apartment Catfight - Laura Vs Gabrielle - For the Tittle
Post by: marlu Queen on September 22, 2025, 08:56:17 AM
After several heated conversations between Laura, Gabrielle, and Sarah,

I'll finally organize the title fight between Laura and Gabrielle at my apartment.

There, the four of us will meet: Sarah, Laura, Gabrielle, and I.
The four of us have agreed on the following:

If Gabrielle wins, I'll fight her.
If Laura wins, Sarah will fight her.
If Sarah or I win, we'll fight each other for the title...

The doors are open to anyone who wants to attend the fight, cheering and voting. I'm sure it will be a very heated and exciting vote. All four of us want to win the title.


Laura Ashley profile:
https://www.freecatfights.com/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=89983

Gabrielle White profile:
https://www.freecatfights.com/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=89148

Lets Fight!!!! Girls.....
Title: Re: Apartment Catfight - Laura Vs Gabrielle - For the Tittle
Post by: KateA - The Devil In Heels on September 22, 2025, 11:21:56 AM
Quote from: Lynn Jenkins on September 22, 2025, 11:07:42 AM
Settling in to watch this fight of epic proportions between two of the best catfighters on the forum. I do have a favorite in this one and it's Laura. Gabrielle has proven how tough she can be, but I think Laura is the one to take her down and advance in the tournament.

Takes a seat next to Lynn.

*nods my head in agreement*

"Can't say I disagree Lynn, however my vote is most definitely still up for grabs. So let's see if Gabrielle can win my support."
Title: Re: Apartment Catfight - Laura Vs Gabrielle - For the Tittle
Post by: BustyTXEmmy on September 22, 2025, 11:56:21 AM
I cant wait for these two to get hold of each other, as I find a seat off in the distance where nobody will be in my way or block my view!
Title: Re: Apartment Catfight - Laura Vs Gabrielle - For the Tittle
Post by: Annette Walters on September 22, 2025, 12:00:06 PM
Quote from: Lynn Jenkins on September 22, 2025, 11:07:42 AM
Settling in to watch this fight of epic proportions between two of the best catfighters on the forum. I do have a favorite in this one and it's Laura. Gabrielle has proven how tough she can be, but I think Laura is the one to take her down and advance in the tournament.

Getting a nice seat right next to Kate, and lucky for Lynn that she is between the two of us!! I have watched some of the video footage of both of these wicked catfighters and I have to disagree with Lynn, I think Gabrielle is going to retain her title in an epic destrutcion of Laura!!
Title: Re: Apartment Catfight - Laura Vs Gabrielle - For the Tittle
Post by: Vicky on September 22, 2025, 12:54:18 PM
I can't decide which blonde i despise the most actually.
Title: Re: Apartment Catfight - Laura Vs Gabrielle - For the Tittle
Post by: Gabrielle White on September 22, 2025, 02:28:13 PM
I show up at Marlus place in just my blue tiny bikini top and my black lacey thong, its another title defense and this time its against this bitch Laura Ashley, shes had several fights already and has proven herself to be extremely tough, so this shouldn't be a cake walk but Im confident Im going to be walking out of her holding my belt up high!!

The room is already full with other catfighters and spectators as I walk around confidently holding my belt in one hand as my big boobs bounce and jiggle, as well as my phat ass jiggling left to right, the women are of all shapes and sizes and look ready to fight anyone at any second, and as I hand my belt over to Marlu, I look at her and say "maybe this bitch doesnt show, and its you vs me!" Then I flip my hair spin around and walk towards the large open room and begin to stretch out, as I wait for this bitch!  Yt
Title: Re: Apartment Catfight - Laura Vs Gabrielle - For the Tittle
Post by: Sarah Beth on September 22, 2025, 02:57:24 PM
I show up at Marlus fashionably late but still before that bitch Laura Ashley gets there, I look over Gabrielle and Marlu and know in my mind I can beat both of them, as well as that bitch Laura, I grab two seats, one for me and one for my sexy friend Dana, hoping she is able to show!!
Title: Re: Apartment Catfight - Laura Vs Gabrielle - For the Tittle
Post by: fchman on September 22, 2025, 04:25:18 PM
Laura looks faster, she will win
Title: Re: Apartment Catfight - Laura Vs Gabrielle - For the Tittle
Post by: Laura Ashley on September 22, 2025, 04:58:31 PM
Walking down the sidewalk to Marlus apartment and I can hear and see already there is a crowd of men and mostly women, other catfighters eager to watch a very competitive and challenging fight between myself and a very tough and respected champion in Gabrielle, I will not take her lightly, but I am here to win, and to fuck that bitch up, so when I walk through the door, my floral print string bikini barely containing my big beautiful breasts and sexy round ass, I go straight over to Marlu, walking right past and ignoring that bitch Gabrielle and look right at Marlu and say "Ill be back to get MY belt after I beat this bitches ass!" and as soon as I finish the word bitch, I waste no time spinning around with my right fist balled up and send it hooking around and smashing it into the left side of Gabrielles face "BAM!" "We are here to fight right?" as I have already launched my left fist in an uppercut that swings hard up and crashes under your chin thats tilted slightly to the side from my hard right hook!! Yt
Title: Re: Apartment Catfight - Laura Vs Gabrielle - For the Tittle
Post by: Gabrielle White on September 22, 2025, 05:24:45 PM
As I see you walk through the room, completely ignoring me which makes my blood boil, and then I see you learn into Marlu and say something, I get ready to reach out and snatch you by your hair and yank you into the large open room to fight, when Im met with a hard right fisted hook that connects with the left side of my face sending my head snapping and my long blonde hair flying, only to have my head snap up and back as your left uppercut crashes hard under my chin and I go reeling backwards falling into the crowd of people, who literally if they werent there, I would have dropped down onto my sexy ass, and then I feel several hands on my back shove me hard back across into the middle of the large open room.

My body collides with your oncoming body and I think to myself I need to recover more from those 2 hard punches that you landed solidly on me to start this, so I quickly swing my left hand up and snatch hold of your blonde hair and yank your head down, and as I do, quickly swing my right arm up and over your neck sinking in and wrapping my arm around your neck into a tight side headlock, with my left hand still yanking your blonde hair!!  Yt
Title: Re: Apartment Catfight - Laura Vs Gabrielle - For the Tittle
Post by: Laura Ashley on September 22, 2025, 05:42:15 PM
Our bodies slam together as I draw back my right fist only to feel the burning sensation in my scalp when your left hand grabs hold of my hair and yanks my head down hard "Aaarggghhh you bitch!" then I feel your right arm wrap around my neck and you tighten up a deep side headlock on me, but I came here to fight, and not only fight but destroy as I swing my left hand around balled up into a fist and slam my left fist hard into your pussy, then I quickly open my left fist and grab a handful of your blace lace thong and yank the fabric up hard into your pussy lips, and while my left is attacking your pussy, my right hand has swung up and grabbed the back of your black lace thong and now Im yanking it up equally hard into both your ass cheeks!! Yt
Title: Re: Apartment Catfight - Laura Vs Gabrielle - For the Tittle
Post by: Workit on September 22, 2025, 05:48:04 PM
When it comes to catfights, Laura scratches better than the hippest DJ !!
Title: Re: Apartment Catfight - Laura Vs Gabrielle - For the Tittle
Post by: Donnafights on September 22, 2025, 05:53:23 PM
This is going to be a fight of massive proportions
Title: Re: Apartment Catfight - Laura Vs Gabrielle - For the Tittle
Post by: BattleStud on September 22, 2025, 06:05:24 PM
Hoping for a seat near Kate or Lynn or both to watch this one, woo hoo.
Title: Re: Apartment Catfight - Laura Vs Gabrielle - For the Tittle
Post by: Erin Lee on September 22, 2025, 06:05:59 PM
I was gonna take a seat next to Lynn to watch the fight, but it seems there is a premium on seats next to Lynn. So i pick up a couple of glasses of champers and arrange myself on Lynns lap whilst offering her one of the glasses.
Title: Re: Apartment Catfight - Laura Vs Gabrielle - For the Tittle
Post by: Gabrielle White on September 22, 2025, 06:20:56 PM
I scream out in horrific pain "Eeeeeeeiiiiiiwww!!" as I feel first the fabric yanked up hard into my sweet tender pussy, and then the fabric is equally yanked up hard between both my sexy ass cheeks, as the lacey fabric begins to burn and cut into my tender soft flesh as I try and wrench down harder on my headlock only to feel myself losing my balance as your driving upward not only with your arms and hands yanking on my lacey thong, but also your body is lefting me up onto my tiptoes as me keeping my arm wrapped around your neck has me now in an even worse position as I lose my balance and fall backwards hard onto the floor, releasing my arm around your neck, but still keeping my hand buried deep in your blonde hair!!  Yt
Title: Re: Apartment Catfight - Laura Vs Gabrielle - For the Tittle
Post by: RowdyOldMan on September 22, 2025, 06:39:08 PM
I arrive at the apartment as the fight is just starting and I see both women just laying into each other. Laura working on getting control of the fight early but Gabrielle fights back like the champion she is. I grab a flute of champagne and smile at Marlu and I find a place to sit on the side and watch the action.
Title: Re: Apartment Catfight - Laura Vs Gabrielle - For the Tittle
Post by: marlu Queen on September 22, 2025, 10:26:52 PM
Quote from: Sarah Beth on September 22, 2025, 02:57:24 PM
I show up at Marlus fashionably late but still before that bitch Laura Ashley gets there, I look over Gabrielle and Marlu and know in my mind I can beat both of them, as well as that bitch Laura, I grab two seats, one for me and one for my sexy friend Dana, hoping she is able to show!!

I see an empty seat next to Sarah, I approach with a glass of champagne while those two bitches fight between screams and bikini pulls... I drop my hand hitting Sarah's tit... bitch let's watch the fight together
Title: Re: Apartment Catfight - Laura Vs Gabrielle - For the Tittle
Post by: BadBitchDana on September 23, 2025, 04:10:05 AM
Laura wins this hands down.
Title: Re: Apartment Catfight - Laura Vs Gabrielle - For the Tittle
Post by: Laura Ashley on September 23, 2025, 11:14:43 AM
Our bodies lose balance and go crashing to the hard floor, which causes you to release your headlock that you have on me and my right hand loses its grip on the back of your lace thong, but you maintain your hand buried in my hair and I continue yanking your thong up into your pussy with my left as I quickly roll up onto my knees pulling your thong even harder and higher into your tender pussy, then with a quick balled up right fist I send another hard right cross that hooks around and smashes hard into the left side of your face "CRAAAACK!!" yt
Title: Re: Apartment Catfight - Laura Vs Gabrielle - For the Tittle
Post by: marief on September 23, 2025, 03:27:23 PM
fuck  :o
this fucking bitch destroy her , shit
Title: Re: Apartment Catfight - Laura Vs Gabrielle - For the Tittle
Post by: BattleStud on September 23, 2025, 07:48:08 PM
Quote from: Lynn Jenkins on September 22, 2025, 12:29:02 PM
Quote from: Annette Walters on September 22, 2025, 12:00:06 PM
Quote from: Lynn Jenkins on September 22, 2025, 11:07:42 AM
Settling in to watch this fight of epic proportions between two of the best catfighters on the forum. I do have a favorite in this one and it's Laura. Gabrielle has proven how tough she can be, but I think Laura is the one to take her down and advance in the tournament.

Getting a nice seat right next to Kate, and lucky for Lynn that she is between the two of us!! I have watched some of the video footage of both of these wicked catfighters and I have to disagree with Lynn, I think Gabrielle is going to retain her title in an epic destrutcion of Laura!!

I sit next to Lynn, her attitude driving me wild. Her breasts and body look so hot in that tight dress.

Annette, I'm not going to post much on here because this is between Laura and Gabrielle, but I can't let your threat go unanswered. We'll soon see who is the better redhead. Want a hint? It ain't you, bitch. Now shut up and let me watch Laura take Gabrielle apart.
Title: Re: Apartment Catfight - Laura Vs Gabrielle - For the Tittle
Post by: BattleStud on September 23, 2025, 07:54:20 PM
Quote from: Lynn Jenkins on September 22, 2025, 12:29:02 PM
Quote from: Annette Walters on September 22, 2025, 12:00:06 PM
Quote from: Lynn Jenkins on September 22, 2025, 11:07:42 AM
Settling in to watch this fight of epic proportions between two of the best catfighters on the forum. I do have a favorite in this one and it's Laura. Gabrielle has proven how tough she can be, but I think Laura is the one to take her down and advance in the tournament.

Getting a nice seat right next to Kate, and lucky for Lynn that she is between the two of us!! I have watched some of the video footage of both of these wicked catfighters and I have to disagree with Lynn, I think Gabrielle is going to retain her title in an epic destrutcion of Laura!!

I sit close and next to Lynn her breasts and body look so hot in that dress. So tempted to hit on her with that attitude.

Annette, I'm not going to post much on here because this is between Laura and Gabrielle, but I can't let your threat go unanswered. We'll soon see who is the better redhead. Want a hint? It ain't you, bitch. Now shut up and let me watch Laura take Gabrielle apart.
Title: Re: Apartment Catfight - Laura Vs Gabrielle - For the Tittle
Post by: marief on September 23, 2025, 09:01:22 PM
battlestud, did all your profiles voted yet ? jasminefcf, carli, nicole666, jenfcf, katiex ect ect....?
95% of the women in leather here are a profile of battlestud....
Title: Re: Apartment Catfight - Laura Vs Gabrielle - For the Tittle
Post by: Mia_K on September 24, 2025, 12:30:22 AM
I can't really say much about Gabrielle, as I have never faced her, but I have to stay with my girl Laura, who got my vote.  She should take this fight easily.
Title: Re: Apartment Catfight - Laura Vs Gabrielle - For the Tittle
Post by: SexyTink on September 24, 2025, 03:23:45 AM
I come to watch the show. Not sure who to vote on or to cheer for. Both women seem to be similar. I look around and see others already here. Looking for a seat, then I see Marlu seating next to Sarah. I'm tempted to go over there, but this isn't the place.
Title: Re: Apartment Catfight - Laura Vs Gabrielle - For the Tittle
Post by: Gabrielle White on September 24, 2025, 08:25:40 AM
My hand still buried in your hair as we hit the ground hard, but you still have a nasty tight grip on the front of my thong yanking it still up into my pussy as its burning from the fabric cutting into my tender soft flesh, and as we both roll up onto our knees Im caught instantly with another hard right cross that sends my head snapping and my hair flying, spittle from my mouth flies as I am dazed and still truly havent recovered from the beginning of this fight as I ball up my own fist and send it swinging wildly at your head!!  Yt
Title: Re: Apartment Catfight - Laura Vs Gabrielle - For the Tittle
Post by: Laura Ashley on September 24, 2025, 02:14:14 PM
Both of us now up onto our knees, our barely covered breasts heaving in and out of our skimpy bikini tops as my scalp is burning from your deep grip on a large clump of my blonde hair, but I am torturing your nasty twat as my left hand twists your lace thong and I continue to yank it up harder and harder and harder into your nasty pussy lips!! "Im gonna make sure you dont use that nasty twat for awhile bitch!!" and as my right fist slams hard again into the left side of your face, your head snaps wickedly to the side, I feel your own right fist smash into the back of my head hard as your grip in my hair has my head slightly tilted down, and when I feel that, I yank your lace thong even harder and swiing my right fist down and swing it upward smashing it into your chin with a loud CRACK!! and as soon as my right fist follows through I draw it back and send it smashing hard straight into your mouth BAM!! yt
Title: Re: Apartment Catfight - Laura Vs Gabrielle - For the Tittle
Post by: Sarah Beth on September 24, 2025, 04:00:30 PM
Standing in the crowded apartment, as the audience watches these two blonde bitches beat on each other, as my eyes are locked on that bitch Laura, Im staring daggers of hate at her!!
Title: Re: Apartment Catfight - Laura Vs Gabrielle - For the Tittle
Post by: marlu Queen on September 24, 2025, 04:04:43 PM
Quote from: Sarah Beth on September 24, 2025, 04:00:30 PM
Standing in the crowded apartment, as the audience watches these two blonde bitches beat on each other, as my eyes are locked on that bitch Laura, Im staring daggers of hate at her!!

I get up from my chair and head over to Sarah... you're a bitch, you know that? I'm still watching the fight between Laura and Gabrielle.
Title: Re: Apartment Catfight - Laura Vs Gabrielle - For the Tittle
Post by: Sarah Beth on September 24, 2025, 05:33:17 PM
Quote from: marlu Queen on September 24, 2025, 04:04:43 PM
Quote from: Sarah Beth on September 24, 2025, 04:00:30 PM
Standing in the crowded apartment, as the audience watches these two blonde bitches beat on each other, as my eyes are locked on that bitch Laura, Im staring daggers of hate at her!!

I get up from my chair and head over to Sarah... you're a bitch, you know that? I'm still watching the fight between Laura and Gabrielle.

"Sit your fucking ass down you old fucking ugly hagg before I knock you the fuck out!" "Gawd your in my way and always running your mouth like your something special, sit down and shut up Marlu!"
Title: Re: Apartment Catfight - Laura Vs Gabrielle - For the Tittle
Post by: Gabrielle White on September 25, 2025, 11:14:06 AM
Screaming out in severe pain from the cutting my lacey black thong is doing to my sweet now mauled and possibly bleeding pussy "Aaaaaeeeiiiiiii you you fucking bitch, let let go!" and just as I saw go, my chin is crushed by your right fist that has come up under my chin sending my teeth clattering and my head violently snapping back, as my left hand snaps open and flies from your hair as Im completely dazed, well to be honest I have never fully recovered from the very first two hard punches you sent smashing into my face and as I send my right fist swinging around almost blindly at your head, I feel my mouth get busted straight on by your right fist as youve sent a hard nasty right jab that crashes into my mouth, I can taste and feel my own blood from my lip, or lips as my head snaps straight back, my blonde hair flies and my body slowly starts to lean and drop backwards down onto the apartment floor bending and then crashing onto my back on the floor!  Yt
Title: Re: Apartment Catfight - Laura Vs Gabrielle - For the Tittle
Post by: KateA - The Devil In Heels on September 25, 2025, 11:20:52 AM
Quote from: Annette Walters on September 22, 2025, 12:00:06 PM
Quote from: Lynn Jenkins on September 22, 2025, 11:07:42 AM
Settling in to watch this fight of epic proportions between two of the best catfighters on the forum. I do have a favorite in this one and it's Laura. Gabrielle has proven how tough she can be, but I think Laura is the one to take her down and advance in the tournament.

Getting a nice seat right next to Kate, and lucky for Lynn that she is between the two of us!! I have watched some of the video footage of both of these wicked catfighters and I have to disagree with Lynn, I think Gabrielle is going to retain her title in an epic destrutcion of Laura!!

With Lynn to the left of me and Annette to the right. I really am in redhead heaven, yet I can help but being mischievous. Despite Erin being on Lynn's lap, I slide my left hand onto Lynn's right knee and squeezes it. While my right hand seeks out Annette's left knee, once again I squeeze.

I then say..."I can't wait to see you two catfight and I do hope it will be a catfight!"

With that I smile and refocus my attention on the fight between Laura and Gabrielle.
Title: Re: Apartment Catfight - Laura Vs Gabrielle - For the Tittle
Post by: Olga on September 25, 2025, 12:05:15 PM
An interesting way to identify the winner. I would call it a support group battle.
Title: Re: Apartment Catfight - Laura Vs Gabrielle - For the Tittle
Post by: marief on September 25, 2025, 04:22:01 PM
damn this a a massacre
Title: Re: Apartment Catfight - Laura Vs Gabrielle - For the Tittle
Post by: Laura Ashley on September 26, 2025, 12:03:40 AM
The burning sensation of my scalp disappears as I feel your hand release my hair as you crumble backwars down onto the floor onto your back, and as you do, your lace thong that I have been yanking and gouging up into your pussy tears completely away as the fabric finally shreds in my hand freeing up both my hands now as I quickly pounce ontop of you as my sexy round ass bounces hard down ontop of your belly as I ball up my left fist and as your laying dazed on your back I send my left fist hooking across the right side of your face "CRACK!!" then I slide around making sure my left thick thigh pins and traps your right arm against your body and my inner thigh while I swing my right fist hooking and crashing it hard against the left side of your face "CRACK!!" then adjust my right thick thigh and pinning your left arm against your body and my inner right thigh, as I have drawn my left fist back and I send it straight hard into your mouth "BAM!!" yt
Title: Re: Apartment Catfight - Laura Vs Gabrielle - For the Tittle
Post by: hotnancy1969 on September 26, 2025, 01:39:50 PM
Wow, is this going to be the most one sided beating a champion has ever received as she loses her title? I have never seen a champion be so humiliated. It's like she's not even there. ( In voting anyway )
Title: Re: Apartment Catfight - Laura Vs Gabrielle - For the Tittle
Post by: BadBitchDana on September 26, 2025, 06:40:49 PM
OMG What a beat down. No one could have predicted that Gabrielle would be such a beaten bitch for Laura. Laura is absolutely owning her in a way that we haven't seen before. She is just toying with her as if she is nothing. What do the Gabrielle fans think of this? Anyone going to comment? Your girl is being humiliated badly.
Title: Re: Apartment Catfight - Laura Vs Gabrielle - For the Tittle
Post by: Sarah Beth on September 27, 2025, 02:39:54 AM
Laura I hope you are thoroughly enjoying this, because when we face each other, its not going to be so lopsided you fucking bitch, and Im going to enjoy each and everytime my fists slam into your face and body!!
Title: Re: Apartment Catfight - Laura Vs Gabrielle - For the Tittle
Post by: Gabrielle White on September 27, 2025, 10:57:49 PM
My arms trapped as Ive never really recovered from the very start of this fight that I obviously have taken my opponent for granted and Im on the receiving end of a onesided beat down that Ive really never been able to recover or get any attack of my own started, my throbbing raw and ripped pussy is probably bleeding and when you trap both my arms and begin unloading lefts and rights to each side of my face, my eyes roll into the back of my head as my head jerks violently and unconsciously to each side when your fists same into each side of my face as my body just lays here motionless and knocked out!! Yt
Title: Re: Apartment Catfight - Laura Vs Gabrielle - For the Tittle
Post by: marlu Queen on September 28, 2025, 02:13:11 PM
Watching Gabrielle being beaten by that bitch Laura, I swing my breasts over to the display case where I left the championship belt. Everything suggests the title will change hands, passing from Gabrielle to Laura.
Title: Re: Apartment Catfight - Laura Vs Gabrielle - For the Tittle
Post by: KateA - The Devil In Heels on September 28, 2025, 02:29:16 PM
Congratulations Laura :)

I eagerly await your first title defence against Sarah, it promises to be a clash for history books.

Gabrielle, I'm sorry your reign ended in a defeat like this, you did not deserve it and were an amazing champion and your effort in this match superb.

Xoxo
Kate

Title: Re: Apartment Catfight - Laura Vs Gabrielle - For the Tittle
Post by: Laura Ashley on September 29, 2025, 01:53:57 AM
As my last right fist slams into your face, and the blood from your nose as well as your lips fly and your head snaps to the side, your body shows no signs of movement or protection, and I glare up at the cxnt Sarah Beth and send one last left jab slamming straight into the Ex Champs mouth making sure that it will be awhile before her cock sucking lips heal and as I keep my eyes locked on Sarah, I press my legs and feet down onto the floor and push myself up, my big firm breasts still standing proud as I step over this fallen Ex Champ and walk right over to that bitch Sarah, my breasts heaving as Ive barely broken a sweat as I step straight up to that cxnt Sarah, my breasts heaving in ans out and with each breath my breasts and nipples mash slightly into Sarah, as we both stare each other down!
Title: Re: Apartment Catfight - Laura Vs Gabrielle - For the Tittle
Post by: BadBitchDana on September 29, 2025, 07:12:55 PM
I am just curious, has anyone ever won by 64 points before? Is this the worst beating ever?
Title: Re: Apartment Catfight - Laura Vs Gabrielle - For the Tittle
Post by: marlu Queen on September 29, 2025, 08:15:53 PM
Grabbing the championship belt from the display case, I approach Laura and see her pushing her tits against Sarah. I get between the two bitches and give the championship belt to that bitch Laura while pushing her with my tits... Here you go, bitch, you won it, but I don't think you'll hold it for much longer. This title will be mine.


LAURA THE NEW CHAMPION!
Title: Re: Apartment Catfight - Laura Vs Gabrielle - For the Tittle
Post by: KellyBBW on October 05, 2025, 01:15:46 PM
I thougj5 this was going to be much closer, good posts though ladies