Clips4sale has now joined onlyFans and loyalfans by making it impossible to access the site unless you register using your personal ID or passport! I am 100% NOT OK WITH THIS! Under no circumstance will I give my SS# or drivers license ID to an adult website or some random third party system.
Unfortunately this means this is pretty much the end of my catfight collecting something I've done since around 1998. The good news is I'll save a bunch of money but it puts on life support a hobby I loved.
In closing I just have to say thank you PORNHUB for fucking up the entire adult movie industry because you ran a sloppy shop. And to producers I beg of you PLEASE look to starting your own websites and PLEASE do not use websites that make us have to give up very personal info just to view your content.
Every site will need to do this as Age Verification laws spread all over the world. I was hoping that C4S would use Yoti as an age verification provider as they do offer as part of a package an AI age facial age verification which means that the customer does not have to supply personal info.
But this is the new normal, I'm going to have to move my own website over to a new platform by July to avoid a hefty fine or possible prison sentance.
Quote from: MrRain on February 21, 2025, 08:04:29 AM
Every site will need to do this as Age Verification laws spread all over the world. I was hoping that C4S would use Yoti as an age verification provider as they do offer as part of a package an AI age facial age verification which means that the customer does not have to supply personal info.
But this is the new normal, I'm going to have to move my own website over to a new platform by July to avoid a hefty fine or possible prison sentance.
They do use Yoti. So with that we don't have to provide personal info just a picture? I'm not a tech person I'm old school which is why I'm so against putting personal info online. I figure if I'm going to eventually get hacked I'm at least going to make you work for it, and not just put all my info out there willingly lol.
Quote from: jaybee on February 21, 2025, 08:13:14 AM
Quote from: MrRain on February 21, 2025, 08:04:29 AM
Every site will need to do this as Age Verification laws spread all over the world. I was hoping that C4S would use Yoti as an age verification provider as they do offer as part of a package an AI age facial age verification which means that the customer does not have to supply personal info.
But this is the new normal, I'm going to have to move my own website over to a new platform by July to avoid a hefty fine or possible prison sentance.
They do use Yoti. So with that we don't have to provide personal info just a picture? I'm not a tech person I'm old school which is why I'm so against putting personal info online. I figure if I'm going to eventually get hacked I'm at least going to make you work for it, and not just put all my info out there willingly lol.
Yoti offer three different options, but I suppose it will depend on the age verification laws in your local jurisdiction and what package C4S is paying for.
There is
1. Create a Yoti account and it works on every single website that uses Yoti and you get a passkey
2. AI Facial recognition tech which takes a live scan of your face and estimates your age and gives 30 days access to that site before being able to do it again
3. Upload your proof of age to the platform
It's a nightmare for the user, but even more of a nightmare for us producers who are having to bend over backwards to continue selling our product and earn a living.
North Dakota is attempting to do something different which puts the onus on the device manufacturers to lock adult content at point of manufacturer much like mobile phones in the UK, this has been supported by the FSC (Free Speech Coalition) but is receiving significatnt pushback.
Remember this is the aim of the religious right, to stop people viewing porn, and some within the current administration in the USA want to make it illegal to produce anything considered pornography. Its a double whammy now of constantly changing Mastercard rules and now age verification.
Its a difficult landscape and is definately the new normal.
It's also another good reason to not use pirate sites, as they will have to have age verification too, and I am prepared to bet my house that your details are a bloody site more secure with C4S/Yoti then with unethical pirates
The worse case of censorship in my state is that you can't even access Pornhub PERIOD regardless of age verification lt's been outright banned here. I have zero sympathy for them because they started this mess! >:(
I'm just really bummed because there's so many content creators who I'll never get to purchase content from again unless i give in to the rules of my f***ed up conservative state potentually jeopardizing my personal info. I still had a ton of stuff on my personal C4S list to buy.
PS
I've been reading horror stories about these 3rd party ID apps. Again why voluntarily make it so easy to have your identity COMPLETELY STOLEN!? Producers PLEASE stay away from sites that use 3rd party age verification. You're potentially endangering your loyal customers. At least wait until every site requires this. As of now you do still have options to have sites distribute your content without a decent percentage of your customers having to go through this. Some are still totally oblivious (some willfully ignorant) to how much they are exposing themselves to identity theft.
I will be saving a lot of money.
Quote from: tommyfighter on February 22, 2025, 02:19:18 AM
I will be saving a lot of money.
That is the only positive for me. But I'm going to miss practically EVERYTHING from here on out.
I don't buy anything from Clips4Sale, but I do (or did) check Female Fighting and Female Wrestling just to see what's new. No more. I'm not against age verification necessarily, but it's one thing to show id in a store and another thing entirely to upload id data to an adult website or a 3rd party age verifier. I'm done too. I'll put the time spent checking out what's new to some better endeavors.
I know 2 states in USA passed porn laws that demand photo ID's be used. I'm still able to access the c4s site now, when will that change? I would think credit card could be used to verify age, right?
A VPN sometimes helps in my experience! Just a though! I only used PORNHUB for the women's wrestling videos, now that they have BANNED IT, I never visit that site anymore!! I HATE sex porn, HATE the word PORN, but I have to except the face that watching women wrestling is my PORN! :-[
Quote from: LQQKING4CATFIGHTER on February 22, 2025, 08:40:03 PM
I know 2 states in USA passed porn laws that demand photo ID's be used. I'm still able to access the c4s site now, when will that change? I would think credit card could be used to verify age, right?
I'm not sure if credit cards could be used to verify. If they can C4S isn't giving us that option. The only acceptable form of Id for them is a full photo of your drivers license or passport. Apparently after it's submitted they'll run your Id through some system and if you check out then you're clear. Again, I AM NOT trusting some uncredited 3rd party company to have my personal info. I wouldn't even put my ss# on the IRS website lol.
Someone mentioned a VPN. After doing some research that seems to be the way to go. I have a friend that's into computers and tech stuff who also thinks that should work. So we shall see. But based off of the cyber training ive had per my job I would NOT advise anyone to upload their license or passport to these 3rd party sites. Keep your personal info safe.
Quote from: jaybee on February 23, 2025, 03:00:25 AM
The only acceptable form of Id for them is a full photo of your drivers license or passport. Apparently after it's submitted they'll run your Id through some system and if you check out then you're clear. Again, I AM NOT trusting some uncredited 3rd party company to have my personal info. I wouldn't even put my ss# on the IRS website lol.
... But based off of the cyber training ive had per my job I would NOT advise anyone to upload their license or passport to these 3rd party sites. Keep your personal info safe.
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Jaybee is correct from what I know working for a utility company.
Typically, a new customer is asked for their Social Security Number as part of the application process but they are not required to give it. If they don't, then they are required to submit notarized copies of drivers license. Once received, the Fraud & Protection department runs it through some kind of software to validate they are who they say they are (part of identity protection). For us, this is required since payment on utility bills is part of the individual's credit report (it also determines if a deposit is required).
But the use of a adult site is NOT part of my credit report. If they have that info, your credit profile can be stolen.
Use Nord VPN and select a connection from a state that doesn't require age verification (California, for example) and you should be fine for viewing/purchasing from C4S, Pornhub, etc.
Not an ideal solution, but it's simple and it works.
2nd the Nord suggestion. Easy setup and reliable.
Or just email your favorite producers directly haha.
Help , Help!! When will this start in c4s?
Has it already start at Loyal Fans?
Quote from: Nairobi Wrestlers on February 24, 2025, 01:34:41 AM
Help , Help!! When will this start in c4s?
Has it already start at Loyal Fans?
It's already started for both sites. When it effects you depends on where you live. For instance I've never been able to access LoyalFans but up until Friday night C4S was fine.
As far as VPNS go what's the dirt on FREE ones? Are they safe? Pardon my ignorance I know nothing about technology except don't upload personal info to anything questionable
https://nordvpn.com/blog/setup-vpn-router/
Quote from: jaybee on February 24, 2025, 02:51:16 AM
Quote from: Nairobi Wrestlers on February 24, 2025, 01:34:41 AM
Help , Help!! When will this start in c4s?
Has it already start at Loyal Fans?
It's already started for both sites. When it effects you depends on where you live. For instance I've never been able to access LoyalFans but up until Friday night C4S was fine.
As far as VPNS go what's the dirt on FREE ones? Are they safe? Pardon my ignorance I know nothing about technology except don't upload personal info to anything questionable
O I see. Well in my little store I have not seen any effects yet. It would be nice if a platform with only wrestling for buyers and sellers could start. But maybe it will be counted as porn.
Quote from: jaybee on February 21, 2025, 05:15:22 AM
...I just have to say thank you PORNHUB for fucking up the entire adult movie industry because you ran a sloppy shop...
Let's us also direct our ire to the sickos who used PH to post illicit content and revenge porn.
PH utterly failed to responsibly moderate their content, and the entire industry...and the public...has suffered the consequences.
Quote from: jaybee on February 21, 2025, 05:15:22 AM
to producers I beg of you PLEASE look to starting your own websites...
Producers should take this suggestion seriously. Catfighthaven has been running their own site for twenty-five years! DWW, FreshFite, and Female Combat Stars are a few others who run their own sites.
- Producers can sell their content directly to fans.
- Producers can sell individual videos and/or offer site memberships (Catfighthaven, for example, does both).
- Producers can avoid having to deal with the petulant demands of platforms (like gumroad, for instance).
- Producers can exercise complete control over their own brand.
Quote from: angrmgmt on February 24, 2025, 11:01:41 AM
Quote from: jaybee on February 21, 2025, 05:15:22 AM
to producers I beg of you PLEASE look to starting your own websites...
Producers should take this suggestion seriously. Catfighthaven has been running their own site for twenty-five years! DWW, FreshFite, and Female Combat Stars are a few others who run their own sites.
- Producers can sell their content directly to fans.
- Producers can sell individual videos and/or offer site memberships (Catfighthaven, for example, does both).
- Producers can avoid having to deal with the petulant demands of platforms (like gumroad, for instance).
- Producers can exercise complete control over their own brand.
Yes you are right.But for people who never learned to set up new sites on net its not so easy. Hmm if you not get some company to set up sides for you...
You will actually less people selling off their own websites, not more.
As it is becoming law in many jurisdictions, so as a producer why would you risk fines and possible jail time whereas if you sell through a platform they are the ones legally responsible not the producer.
I'm going to be closing my website down before the law comes into force in the UK and migrating it to MyMemberSite which will allow me to see direct and also has age verification built in.
Even this forum will have to have age verification eventually unless the company which runs it wishes to incur legal repurcussions.
Quote from: angrmgmt on February 24, 2025, 11:01:41 AM
Quote from: jaybee on February 21, 2025, 05:15:22 AM
to producers I beg of you PLEASE look to starting your own websites...
Producers should take this suggestion seriously. Catfighthaven has been running their own site for twenty-five years! DWW, FreshFite, and Female Combat Stars are a few others who run their own sites.
- Producers can sell their content directly to fans.
- Producers can sell individual videos and/or offer site memberships (Catfighthaven, for example, does both).
- Producers can avoid having to deal with the petulant demands of platforms (like gumroad, for instance).
- Producers can exercise complete control over their own brand.
I should say I'm not happy about any of this, but I want to stay in business, and out of prison. I've been part of meetings in the UK with the regulator to try and understand all of this.
It's coming, there is nothing any of us can do about it, we just have to adapt as best we can.
I'd much rather be filming more content than messing around changing everything I do to jump through hoops due to Age Verification and the idiots at Mastercard
Quote from: MrRain on February 24, 2025, 06:19:01 PM
I should say I'm not happy about any of this, but I want to stay in business, and out of prison. I've been part of meetings in the UK with the regulator to try and understand all of this.
It's coming, there is nothing any of us can do about it, we just have to adapt as best we can.
I'd much rather be filming more content than messing around changing everything I do to jump through hoops due to Age Verification and the idiots at Mastercard
Wow what's happening in the UK sounds crazy! I don't THINK the mission statement here in the states is to completely get rid of porn ??? But based off of what happened in my state to PH I could be wrong. As of now PH is the only site that was outright banned here and other sites are slowly going to the extreme age verification system. They say all this is to protect the children and keep them from accessing AO material which is perfectly fine as long as me an adult in his late 40s can watch whatever he wants to watch within reason as long as it's not illegal or completely f***ed up. I do understand why PH got hit hard though, it was because of the levels of buffoonery they had going on up there. The US may try to make how they handle porn a state by state decision which means for deep red states you better prepare to say bye to your adult content.
Kind of feeling like I'm at the end of my collecting as well at 38. I would have posted a lot on this forums early days, then eventually stopped participating for reasons that are not relevant to the current topic. I would have used this site, the other popular websites like Haven DWW ect in my early days. My earliest buys were California Wildcats, think my first vid and still my favorite to this day is Bridal Battle. I didn't really start collecting until I was invited to a private Vk group that eventually amassed a 5k video collection, my personal collection of stuff I liked was 1500. That is what made me start my collection, I was able to see what I was missing out on. Ironically enough getting access to such a large amount of vids is what made me start buying. Cal WIld, Cf Planet, Chaos, FoxyCombat, Jm Rolen, Kontex, Mfx,Napali, We Bring it, TillyTown, Suitefight all companies once I got a proper preview of I forked money over to. Thats over now. No longer can access that group, not sure if its because I'm from USA or from censorship rules.
Now I come here and see this thing for clips for sale, all the old companies I mentioned have sites that are shut down, or they moved to clips for sale. The pool of available options for catfights fans is shrinking. Some of the new stuff is alright, but its all lazy with 0 production involved and companies all seem to charge way more than what the vids are worth. Which I could go into detail about that comment, but I'd end up writing a small book.
Unless a site mega site like Roxxanes comes along, but one that easy to navigate and fairly priced, then I'd be inspired to buy some more. But after 15 or more years of buying and collecting, I'm feeling milked and tapped out.
Just one more example of politicians trying to look like they are "doing something", while ignoring many real problems.
In Florida all adult sites are now required to confirm you are an adult (that means give them your driver's license info.). Oh and they have been successful at blocking drag shows????
Like there were tidal waves of drag queens surging down my street? And if there were I would NOT care.
o - On the other hand, insurance in my state is FOUR TIMES the national average.
o - Home prices are unaffordable to most.
o - Social Security is supposed to be underfunded in nine years.
o - New condo laws are basically leaving old people homeless, while corporations take over their buildings.
Anyone working on those problems?
NOPE....
-halhow3
Quote from: MrRain on February 24, 2025, 06:14:59 PM
You will actually less people selling off their own websites, not more...
Putting your content in the hands of these large platforms comes with risks.
- A large percentage of your profits must be shared with the platform. This was the most common complaint of producers who used C4S. Some producers even avoided using C4S for this reason.
- The platform reserves the right to remove your content for any reason. Gumroad shocked producers by suddenly, with minimal warning, removing their entire content libraries almost overnight.
People are also hesitant - understandably so - with sharing their private, personal data. Verification companies say they will destroy the documents and information they receive once verification is provided, but there is no way for the consumer to verify this. Consider: many people who have provided data to DNA analysis companies are concerned by articles that their information could be provided to unvetted third parties.
Quote from: Datetha on February 25, 2025, 09:49:13 AM
Some of the new stuff is alright, but its all lazy with 0 production involved and companies all seem to charge way more than what the vids are worth.
This here is a topic I've been biting my tongue on for a good while now. >:(
Where am I now supposed to jerk off to ? :(
I'm not sure if it was mentioned yet but this is only in certain states that verification is required via uploading a picture of your ID.
I can confirm that in my state, it's not needed for OnlyFans, LoyalFans or Clips4Sale accounts, however folks in one of the 19 states with adult content restrictions are now being asked to verify their age by submitting a photo of their ID and in some cases a photo of them holding their ID as well, in order to access adult sites.
If adult sites don't implement age verification, they will either be inaccessible to people in these areas (without use of VPN) or face risk of legal action from the state
Some states will even be requiring this for social media sites such as facebook, instagram, twitter etc.
More information:
https://avpassociation.com/4271-2/
Quote from: jaybee on February 27, 2025, 03:54:08 AM
Quote from: Datetha on February 25, 2025, 09:49:13 AM
Some of the new stuff is alright, but its all lazy with 0 production involved and companies all seem to charge way more than what the vids are worth.
This here is a topic I've been biting my tongue on for a good while now. >:(
*nervous sweating*
Quote from: Suited an on February 27, 2025, 07:38:35 PM
Quote from: jaybee on February 27, 2025, 03:54:08 AM
Quote from: Datetha on February 25, 2025, 09:49:13 AM
Some of the new stuff is alright, but its all lazy with 0 production involved and companies all seem to charge way more than what the vids are worth.
This here is a topic I've been biting my tongue on for a good while now. >:(
*nervous sweating*
Don't worry I'm too nice of a guy to just go to war with (unfortunately) a bunch of random producers... unless I finally get reeeeeally pissed off. As of this writing I'm far from it but that doesn't mean the problem doesn't still exist. I will admit my issues with the current female fighting scene is more so directed to the laziness of a lot of the current products and not so much the pricing. The pricing for the most part hasn't really changed. For example price is usually still determined by video length so a 15 min movie may range between 15 and 20 dollars, a 20 min movie between 20 and 30 dollars etc. which isn't bad. But there are a small amount of companies that try to buck the current system or pricing trends but I won't call them out or question them... yet ;) As long as a majority of the pricing stays fair there's no need for me to go off lol
Just to add to everyone's woes and a moderator may wish to bring this to the attention of the owners of this forum, I was in a meeting with Ofcom (the regulator of the new UK legislation) yesterday and not only would this forum fall under the new legislation but as an obstensible user to user platform, it also has additional responsibilities under the legislation and has to comply by 16th March.
All websites which require UK Age Verification have until mid July to comply.
Quote from: MrRain on February 28, 2025, 04:05:00 AM
Just to add to everyone's woes and a moderator may wish to bring this to the attention of the owners of this forum, I was in a meeting with Ofcom (the regulator of the new UK legislation) yesterday and not only would this forum fall under the new legislation but as an obstensible user to user platform, it also has additional responsibilities under the legislation and has to comply by 16th March.
All websites which require UK Age Verification have until mid July to comply.
I'm going to consult with our Dutch hosters, Our Company is Netherlands based but I suspect the fix will be to block all UK isps from access to the site as an interim measure, so anyone within that region will have to work out another way of reaching the site for access.