When is an altercation specifically a "catfight" in your opinion? Big emphasis on the word opinion there as I think we all have differing definitions and as what is technically a slang term, it can certainly be open to interpretation.
Even a simple verbal spat between women can sometimes be reported on as a catfight - but for me the personally it comes down to one simple thing - tactics.
We aren't boxing, we aren't kicking and punching with skill and technique - to me two women fighting in that style are simply 'fighting' - a fight no doubt, but a catfight? In my opinion no.
Same with grappling - skilled MMA practitioners going for submissions - while impressive - does not say "catfight" to me - again women fighting with these tactics are skilled and labeling their martial arts bouts as "catfights" is kind of demeaning and dismissive of the hard work and training they've put in to fight with such technique.
To me for a catfight to be a true catfight there needs to be a lack of technical fighting and more raw emotional and feral tactics - hairpulling is a must, but grappling in a catfight is a back-and-forth affair based on strength and determination rather than skill. The strikes are also likewise less technical and involve more slapping than punching - if the women are strictly punching I hesitate to call it a catfight and just based on the intensity alone would refer to such as a fistfight or simply a 'fight'.
The combatants aren't there to simply knock out or make the other submit, there's something inherently feminine in catfight tactics that makes us just go right for the hair or scratching each others faces, shredding shirts and tearing at nylons in an attempt not as much to beat our rival down as humiliate them and damage their feminine image.
Those are my two cents, attached are some examples from some of my matches that I think of when I think "CATFIGHT" - but I'm curious what others have to say!
The lack of real technique to start with, lots of trash talk, slaps more so than real punches.
Very basic submissions legs locked around someone, maybe a chokehold of sorts
That's how I define it
I don't like the word, but if I had to define it, it's a fight between two women, emphasizing the word "fight." It's not a competition like some wrestling/boxing match or a competition over a job promotion but an actual fight.
Each woman has to dressed like so: button down blouse/shirt, no bra, skirt or shorts, no leggings, no pantyhose, barefoot
and the blouses/shirts need to substantially ripped (either purposely or accidently) durring the fight.
Quote from: Horny-Jew on February 07, 2025, 02:14:17 AM
Each woman has to dressed like so: button down blouse/shirt, no bra, skirt or shorts, no leggings, no pantyhose, barefoot
and the blouses/shirts need to substantially ripped (either purposely or accidently) durring the fight.
So I mean no offense and to each their own, but these sound more like preferences rather than what I'm asking for which is just the base definition of the term.
If the attire were different than your preference or nothing gets ripped etc - would you still not refer to the event itself as a catfight? I'm sure if you saw two fully clothed women yanking hair in public you'd describe it to others as a catfight no?
What are the things things that prevent it from being or define it as a catfight? That's what I'm curious about more than the background or attire etc. - what are the bare minimum parameters required to meet the definition in your eyes?
Quote from: ChandieSavage on February 07, 2025, 04:51:41 AM
Quote from: Horny-Jew on February 07, 2025, 02:14:17 AM
Each woman has to dressed like so: button down blouse/shirt, no bra, skirt or shorts, no leggings, no pantyhose, barefoot
and the blouses/shirts need to substantially ripped (either purposely or accidently) durring the fight.
So I mean no offense and to each their own, but these sound more like preferences rather than what I'm asking for which is just the base definition of the term.
If the attire were different than your preference or nothing gets ripped etc - would you still not refer to the event itself as a catfight? I'm sure if you saw two fully clothed women yanking hair in public you'd describe it to others as a catfight no?
What are the things things that prevent it from being or define it as being a catfight? That's what I'm curious about more than the background or attire etc. - what are the bare minimum parameters required to meet the definition in your eyes?
Hair pulling ;D
Desperate tactics like tit grabbing and pussy mauling help too
Quote from: ChandieSavage on February 06, 2025, 10:53:37 PM
When is an altercation specifically a "catfight" in your opinion? Big emphasis on the word opinion there as I think we all have differing definitions and as what is technically a slang term, it can certainly be open to interpretation.
Even a simple verbal spat between women can sometimes be reported on as a catfight - but for me the personally it comes down to one simple thing - tactics.
We aren't boxing, we aren't kicking and punching with skill and technique - to me two women fighting in that style are simply 'fighting' - a fight no doubt, but a catfight? In my opinion no.
Same with grappling - skilled MMA practitioners going for submissions - while impressive - does not say "catfight" to me - again women fighting with these tactics are skilled and labeling their martial arts bouts as "catfights" is kind of demeaning and dismissive of the hard work and training they've put in to fight with such technique.
To me for a catfight to be a true catfight there needs to be a lack of technical fighting and more raw emotional and feral tactics - hairpulling is a must, but grappling in a catfight is a back-and-forth affair based on strength and determination rather than skill. The strikes are also likewise less technical and involve more slapping than punching - if the women are strictly punching I hesitate to call it a catfight and just based on the intensity alone would refer to such as a fistfight or simply a 'fight'.
The combatants aren't there to simply knock out or make the other submit, there's something inherently feminine in catfight tactics that makes us just go right for the hair or scratching each others faces, shredding shirts and tearing at nylons in an attempt not as much to beat our rival down as humiliate them and damage their feminine image.
Those are my two cents, attached are some examples from some of my matches that I think of when I think "CATFIGHT" - but I'm curious what others have to say!
Catfight is an ordinary women's fight of ordinary women, in my opinion. Especially classic examples are old school fights :). And I completely agree that punches and painful techniques - levers on legs and arms should not be in classic catfight. There are a lot of catfighters working out in gyms and practicing bjj and grappling, and they also have a lot of botox, tattoos, and piercings. I like it when two ordinary women fight, like a woman, pulling each other's hair, rolling on the ground, swearing trash words, when they entwine and lock themselves in for a while to rest. Also, classic female techniques, they are done by all the girls fighting back in school, such as school pin and protection from it, when a pinned lady throws her legs and crosses them in front of her opponent.And in fact, the usual half-hour catfight is hard work. And the more beautiful both women are, the more emotional and dirty their fight will be. They do everything, including hunting for the charms of a rival. But on the other hand, it is catfight that is less traumatic, just like amateur submission wrestling. That is, when two women are fighting adequately, and they are not hitting in the face or scratching the face. And after a good fight, the bruises and scratches on the body are not visible under the clothes.And of course, no less epic are the fights on the street, when the ladies will definitely fall down and roll around in mud and puddles. And they don't care what they're wearing or where they're fighting. Women's fight - no rules :)
Suhmann,
I absolutely love your definition of a catfight.
Quote from: suhmann on February 07, 2025, 12:43:31 PM
Quote from: ChandieSavage on February 06, 2025, 10:53:37 PM
When is an altercation specifically a "catfight" in your opinion? Big emphasis on the word opinion there as I think we all have differing definitions and as what is technically a slang term, it can certainly be open to interpretation.
Even a simple verbal spat between women can sometimes be reported on as a catfight - but for me the personally it comes down to one simple thing - tactics.
We aren't boxing, we aren't kicking and punching with skill and technique - to me two women fighting in that style are simply 'fighting' - a fight no doubt, but a catfight? In my opinion no.
Same with grappling - skilled MMA practitioners going for submissions - while impressive - does not say "catfight" to me - again women fighting with these tactics are skilled and labeling their martial arts bouts as "catfights" is kind of demeaning and dismissive of the hard work and training they've put in to fight with such technique.
To me for a catfight to be a true catfight there needs to be a lack of technical fighting and more raw emotional and feral tactics - hairpulling is a must, but grappling in a catfight is a back-and-forth affair based on strength and determination rather than skill. The strikes are also likewise less technical and involve more slapping than punching - if the women are strictly punching I hesitate to call it a catfight and just based on the intensity alone would refer to such as a fistfight or simply a 'fight'.
The combatants aren't there to simply knock out or make the other submit, there's something inherently feminine in catfight tactics that makes us just go right for the hair or scratching each others faces, shredding shirts and tearing at nylons in an attempt not as much to beat our rival down as humiliate them and damage their feminine image.
Those are my two cents, attached are some examples from some of my matches that I think of when I think "CATFIGHT" - but I'm curious what others have to say!
Catfight is an ordinary women's fight of ordinary women, in my opinion. Especially classic examples are old school fights :). And I completely agree that punches and painful techniques - levers on legs and arms should not be in classic catfight. There are a lot of catfighters working out in gyms and practicing bjj and grappling, and they also have a lot of botox, tattoos, and piercings. I like it when two ordinary women fight, like a woman, pulling each other's hair, rolling on the ground, swearing trash words, when they entwine and lock themselves in for a while to rest. Also, classic female techniques, they are done by all the girls fighting back in school, such as school pin and protection from it, when a pinned lady throws her legs and crosses them in front of her opponent.And in fact, the usual half-hour catfight is hard work. And the more beautiful both women are, the more emotional and dirty their fight will be. They do everything, including hunting for the charms of a rival. But on the other hand, it is catfight that is less traumatic, just like amateur submission wrestling. That is, when two women are fighting adequately, and they are not hitting in the face or scratching the face. And after a good fight, the bruises and scratches on the body are not visible under the clothes.And of course, no less epic are the fights on the street, when the ladies will definitely fall down and roll around in mud and puddles. And they don't care what they're wearing or where they're fighting. Women's fight - no rules :)
Love your definition as well.
Quote from: JT Edson on February 07, 2025, 01:51:48 PM
Suhmann,
I absolutely love your definition of a catfight.
I agree, and I like that you separated what you "Like" from what a catfight actually IS.
Let's say I like ice cream, but I prefer rocky road. Vanilla, strawberry, mocha chip are STILL ice cream, just not the kind I prefer.
To me the emphasis again is on technique (or lack thereof) being more untrained amateurs fighting rather than with skilled holds or strikes.
Again I think the women who employ those types of tactics should not have their fights labeled as "catfights" as it implies a lack of skill on their part and honestly diminishes the term itself.
There's nothing wrong with a classic rolling hairpulling catfight, but when karate kicks, punches and advanced grappling holds take place however, I would be remiss to refer to those fights as 'catty' - it's dismissive of the hard work they've put in to fight with such skills.
A good example of this is the fight scene at the end of "Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back" - it starts off as just a high kicking martial arts fight - and then as they decide to change tactics (for laughs) it turns into a catfight. The fact that I'm saying "turns into a catfight" is kind of the point here, when they switch to hairpulling, slapping, and rolling around as opposed to martial arts striking. To me that's the primary distinction - and while it's played off as a joke or a commentary on 'women can't fight so they just have catfights" - I think it's important to look at the distinction objectively and without judgement.
As you said a "Classic Catfight" is nothing to be ashamed of, it's a relic of a different era when women weren't allowed to fight - it wasn't considered 'lady like'. In the very rare instances where things did come to blows there was no technique to speak of because it simply hadn't been learned.
I fight this way as a throwback - I've done some matches that employ more technical wrestling holds but I always find myself going back to the classic Bettie Page style tactics of pulling hair, wrapping our legs around each other, slapping and spanking etc. "Classic" is a great way to describe it Suhmann - it's not because we CAN'T employ other more advanced tactics, we fight this way now because we CHOOSE to fight this way, and I'm glad that others are on board!
Quote from: ChandieSavage on February 07, 2025, 03:26:02 PM
Quote from: JT Edson on February 07, 2025, 01:51:48 PM
Suhmann,
I absolutely love your definition of a catfight.
I agree, and I like that you separated what you "Like" from what a catfight actually IS.
Let's say I like ice cream, but I prefer rocky road. Vanilla, strawberry, mocha chip are STILL ice cream, just not the kind I prefer.
To me the emphasis again is on technique (or lack thereof) being more untrained amateurs fighting rather than with skilled holds or strikes.
Again I think the women who employ those types of tactics should not have their fights labeled as "catfights" as it implies a lack of skill on their part and honestly diminishes the term itself.
There's nothing wrong with a classic rolling hairpulling catfight, but when karate kicks, punches and advanced grappling holds take place however, I would be remiss to refer to those fights as 'catty' - it's dismissive of the hard work they've put in to fight with such skills.
A good example of this is the fight scene at the end of "Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back" - it starts off as just a high kicking martial arts fight - and then as they decide to change tactics (for laughs) it turns into a catfight. The fact that I'm saying "turns into a catfight" is kind of the point here, when they switch to hairpulling, slapping, and rolling around as opposed to martial arts striking. To me that's the primary distinction - and while it's played off as a joke or a commentary on 'women can't fight so they just have catfights" - I think it's important to look at the distinction objectively and without judgement.
As you said a "Classic Catfight" is nothing to be ashamed of, it's a relic of a different era when women weren't allowed to fight - it wasn't considered 'lady like'. In the very rare instances where things did come to blows there was no technique to speak of because it simply hadn't been learned.
I fight this way as a throwback - I've done some matches that employ more technical wrestling holds but I always find myself going back to the classic Bettie Page style tactics of pulling hair, wrapping our legs around each other, slapping and spanking etc. "Classic" is a great way to describe it Suhmann - it's not because we CAN'T employ other more advanced tactics, we fight this way now because we CHOOSE to fight this way, and I'm glad that others are on board!
Anyway, you did a great job, lady! For me, catfight is much more interesting. And I do not know why it is considered that catfight is not a skill- some kind of skill. In fact, it's much more difficult to fight this way, with hair pulling. And I want to say, I can even say that I repeat, in childhood and youth, when boys and girls, as well as men and women, fought (the girls didn't fight much less, they just bring every fight to an end), then both of them have the same actions, since most are not pros - that is - an exchange of blows, came together, grappled, fell... And then the interesting thing begins- many boys panic and try to get up and start saying what's fair and what's unfair in a fight :) . But girls and women just fight, without any rules, catching and subjugating each other as it turns out. And who's the weaker sex here :))))And in fact, it's really difficult to win a fight without using painful techniques, triangles, strangulation, etc. It's just very difficult to subdue in a fight. And if you add hair-pulling, then the struggle goes in a different way. I consider this to be a real art. In our Northern capital, at the beginning of the early two thousandth and until the end of the tenth years, women fought in the namazon club in submission style, and sometimes they added, as they put it, a more feminine version of submission wrestling :), that is, dragging by the hair :) . And the results of the struggle with and without hair pulling were different :) And many did not dare to fight like that :).
What makes a catfight a catfight?
Oh this take will be spicy and controversial...
Clothes
Hair pulling
Scratching
Biting
Kicking
Slapping
Punching
Catballs
Honestly none of the above really matters, in my opinion. What ultimately makes a catfight a catfight is...
*Drum roll please*
The state of mind of us women involved! For me the psychology of what is driving us ladies to fight is what really matters. When we've both got a bad case of tunnel vision and it's just relentless attack, attack, attack - this for me is a catfight! When I'm too focused on kicking some bitches knee while trying to pull her head back by her hair; so that I might punch the bitch in the face. So much so that I don't notice she's raking her nails down my left cheek and when I do notice, I basically ignore it and keep on pulling that hair. So that I can throw that sweet series's of punches, this for me is a catfight.
Or to put it another way...
Violence, rage with a not so healthy side order of reckless self regard is quintessentially for me a catfight.
But of course perhaps the best people to decide whether or not it's a catfight? Is *Shocker* the two more ladies involved :)
Xoxo
Kate
Quote from: KateA - The Devil In Heels on February 07, 2025, 10:37:41 PM
What makes a catfight a catfight?
Oh this take will be spicy and controversial...
Clothes
Hair pulling
Scratching
Biting
Kicking
Slapping
Punching
Catballs
Honestly none of the above really matters, in my opinion. What ultimately makes a catfight a catfight is...
*Drum roll please*
The state of mind of us women involved! For me the psychology of what is driving us ladies to fight is what really matters. When we've both got a bad case of tunnel vision and it's just relentless attack, attack, attack - this for me is a catfight! When I'm too focused on kicking some bitches knee while trying to pull her head back by her hair; so that I might punch the bitch in the face. So much so that I don't notice she's raking her nails down my left cheek and when I do notice, I basically ignore it and keep on pulling that hair. So that I can throw that sweet series's of punches, this for me is a catfight.
Or to put it another way...
Violence, rage with a not so healthy side order of reckless self regard is quintessentially for me a catfight.
But of course perhaps the best people to decide whether or not it's a catfight? Is *Shocker* the two more ladies involved :)
Xoxo
Kate
Your answer is in a nutshell: just a desire to fight with a woman :)
Quote from: suhmann on February 07, 2025, 10:58:14 PM
Quote from: KateA - The Devil In Heels on February 07, 2025, 10:37:41 PM
What makes a catfight a catfight?
Oh this take will be spicy and controversial...
Clothes
Hair pulling
Scratching
Biting
Kicking
Slapping
Punching
Catballs
Honestly none of the above really matters, in my opinion. What ultimately makes a catfight a catfight is...
*Drum roll please*
The state of mind of us women involved! For me the psychology of what is driving us ladies to fight is what really matters. When we've both got a bad case of tunnel vision and it's just relentless attack, attack, attack - this for me is a catfight! When I'm too focused on kicking some bitches knee while trying to pull her head back by her hair; so that I might punch the bitch in the face. So much so that I don't notice she's raking her nails down my left cheek and when I do notice, I basically ignore it and keep on pulling that hair. So that I can throw that sweet series's of punches, this for me is a catfight.
Or to put it another way...
Violence, rage with a not so healthy side order of reckless self regard is quintessentially for me a catfight.
But of course perhaps the best people to decide whether or not it's a catfight? Is *Shocker* the two more ladies involved :)
Xoxo
Kate
Your answer is in a nutshell: just a desire to fight with a woman :)
Actually no, if I had just a desire to fight other women. I would put on some boxing gloves and go down the local gym :)
It goes far beyond desire. It's more I need to hurt that bitch, I need to see her cry, I need her to admit I'm the better woman and even then I will probably keep attacking. Now everyone is different, some ladies like me can go from passive to aggressive in a single step. For others that journey from passive to aggressive is like jumping the Grand Canyon.
So I say again don't underestimate the importance of psychology and understanding what is driving us women to tear each other apart. Understanding what's needed to get us to this state, probably answers the question - what is a catfight.
But heh I could be wrong, it's only my opinion and opinion is not fact.
Xoxo
Kate
Quote from: KateA - The Devil In Heels on February 07, 2025, 11:09:12 PM
Quote from: suhmann on February 07, 2025, 10:58:14 PM
Quote from: KateA - The Devil In Heels on February 07, 2025, 10:37:41 PM
What makes a catfight a catfight?
Oh this take will be spicy and controversial...
Clothes
Hair pulling
Scratching
Biting
Kicking
Slapping
Punching
Catballs
Honestly none of the above really matters, in my opinion. What ultimately makes a catfight a catfight is...
*Drum roll please*
The state of mind of us women involved! For me the psychology of what is driving us ladies to fight is what really matters. When we've both got a bad case of tunnel vision and it's just relentless attack, attack, attack - this for me is a catfight! When I'm too focused on kicking some bitches knee while trying to pull her head back by her hair; so that I might punch the bitch in the face. So much so that I don't notice she's raking her nails down my left cheek and when I do notice, I basically ignore it and keep on pulling that hair. So that I can throw that sweet series's of punches, this for me is a catfight.
Or to put it another way...
Violence, rage with a not so healthy side order of reckless self regard is quintessentially for me a catfight.
But of course perhaps the best people to decide whether or not it's a catfight? Is *Shocker* the two more ladies involved :)
Xoxo
Kate
Your answer is in a nutshell: just a desire to fight with a woman :)
Actually no, if I had just a desire to fight other women. I would put on some boxing gloves and go down the local gym :)
It goes far beyond desire. It's more I need to hurt that bitch, I need to see her cry, I need her to admit I'm the better woman and even then I will probably keep attacking. Now everyone is different, some ladies like me can go from passive to aggressive in a single step. For others that journey from passive to aggressive is like jumping the Grand Canyon.
So I say again don't underestimate the importance of psychology and understanding what is driving us women to tear each other apart. Understanding what's needed to get us to this state, probably answers the question - what is a catfight.
But heh I could be wrong, it's only my opinion and opinion is not fact.
Xoxo
Kate
Not a controversial take at all as far as I'm concerned, Kate understood the assignment and hit the nail on the head! Again it's an opinion here but we're looking for the bare-bones definition not the bells and whistles, not "what I'd LIKE to see happen" - what is the BARE MINIMUM to meet the required definition in your eyes.
The state of mind of us women involved! For me the psychology of what is driving us ladies to fight is what really matters. When we've both got a bad case of tunnel vision and it's just relentless attack, attack, attack - this for me is a catfight! Absolutely this! Definitely more psychological than the actual physical moves, it's more the raw animalistic drive rather than whether or not we know how to kickbox - an excellent take
But of course perhaps the best people to decide whether or not it's a catfight? Is *Shocker* the two more ladies involvedI mean, in an ideal world -
yes - but when do women ever get to decide what we or the things we do get labeled as? Pretty much everything we do is judged and labeled by society at large
*cough cough the patriarchy cough cough*
Quote from: ChandieSavage on February 07, 2025, 04:51:41 AM
Quote from: Horny-Jew on February 07, 2025, 02:14:17 AM
Each woman has to dressed like so: button down blouse/shirt, no bra, skirt or shorts, no leggings, no pantyhose, barefoot
and the blouses/shirts need to substantially ripped (either purposely or accidently) durring the fight.
So I mean no offense and to each their own, but these sound more like preferences rather than what I'm asking for which is just the base definition of the term.
If the attire were different than your preference or nothing gets ripped etc - would you still not refer to the event itself as a catfight? I'm sure if you saw two fully clothed women yanking hair in public you'd describe it to others as a catfight no?
What are the things things that prevent it from being or define it as a catfight? That's what I'm curious about more than the background or attire etc. - what are the bare minimum parameters required to meet the definition in your eyes?
You're absolutely right. It's preferences.
All I know is I judge how good a catfight is by how sexually aroused I get. ;D
Quote from: Horny-Jew on February 08, 2025, 03:54:54 AM
Quote from: ChandieSavage on February 07, 2025, 04:51:41 AM
Quote from: Horny-Jew on February 07, 2025, 02:14:17 AM
Each woman has to dressed like so: button down blouse/shirt, no bra, skirt or shorts, no leggings, no pantyhose, barefoot
and the blouses/shirts need to substantially ripped (either purposely or accidently) durring the fight.
So I mean no offense and to each their own, but these sound more like preferences rather than what I'm asking for which is just the base definition of the term.
If the attire were different than your preference or nothing gets ripped etc - would you still not refer to the event itself as a catfight? I'm sure if you saw two fully clothed women yanking hair in public you'd describe it to others as a catfight no?
What are the things things that prevent it from being or define it as a catfight? That's what I'm curious about more than the background or attire etc. - what are the bare minimum parameters required to meet the definition in your eyes?
You're absolutely right. It's preferences.
All I know is I judge how good a catfight is by how sexually aroused I get. ;D
Yessir, the question is not "what's a GOOD catfight" it's simply - what IS a catfight at it's base level.
What would have to happen in an altercation for it to be considered a catfight at all? Or what things would prohibit a fight from meeting the definition?
There's still no right or wrong here either just wanted to be clear the question I'm posing is less about what makes a good catfight for you and more just... what IS a catfight to you
Quote from: KateA - The Devil In Heels on February 07, 2025, 10:37:41 PM
What makes a catfight a catfight?
Agreed, Kate ... Violence, rage with a not so healthy side order of reckless self regard.
Quote from: KateA - The Devil In Heels on February 07, 2025, 11:09:12 PM
Quote from: suhmann on February 07, 2025, 10:58:14 PM
Quote from: KateA - The Devil In Heels on February 07, 2025, 10:37:41 PM
What makes a catfight a catfight?
Oh this take will be spicy and controversial...
Clothes
Hair pulling
Scratching
Biting
Kicking
Slapping
Punching
Catballs
Honestly none of the above really matters, in my opinion. What ultimately makes a catfight a catfight is...
*Drum roll please*
The state of mind of us women involved! For me the psychology of what is driving us ladies to fight is what really matters. When we've both got a bad case of tunnel vision and it's just relentless attack, attack, attack - this for me is a catfight! When I'm too focused on kicking some bitches knee while trying to pull her head back by her hair; so that I might punch the bitch in the face. So much so that I don't notice she's raking her nails down my left cheek and when I do notice, I basically ignore it and keep on pulling that hair. So that I can throw that sweet series's of punches, this for me is a catfight.
Or to put it another way...
Violence, rage with a not so healthy side order of reckless self regard is quintessentially for me a catfight.
But of course perhaps the best people to decide whether or not it's a catfight? Is *Shocker* the two more ladies involved :)
Xoxo
Kate
Your answer is in a nutshell: just a desire to fight with a woman :)
Actually no, if I had just a desire to fight other women. I would put on some boxing gloves and go down the local gym :)
It goes far beyond desire. It's more I need to hurt that bitch, I need to see her cry, I need her to admit I'm the better woman and even then I will probably keep attacking. Now everyone is different, some ladies like me can go from passive to aggressive in a single step. For others that journey from passive to aggressive is like jumping the Grand Canyon.
So I say again don't underestimate the importance of psychology and understanding what is driving us women to tear each other apart. Understanding what's needed to get us to this state, probably answers the question - what is a catfight.
But heh I could be wrong, it's only my opinion and opinion is not fact.
Xoxo
Kate
That's actually what I meant, sport is about restrictions and rules anyway. And you are in the framework.Namely, catfight gives you that feeling of full contact and freedom of action with your opponent. You completely immerse yourself in the fight with each other.Literally mixing with her into one whole. And the longer and harder the fight, the sweeter the submission of the opponent.And as I always say, it's a pity that we men will never feel what a woman feels when she fights with another woman, such a hellish primal mixture of feelings.
Our thoughts include, a physical confrontation between females who are close in age, size, and have only primal/instinctive skills in fighting. They share a wariness and unspoken fear of how far it will go once it starts. But they also have an unrelenting ego that drives them deeper into the face of potential tragedy. And their willingness put it all on the line is augmented by their male mates encouragement to show their opponent who is the better woman. It's all part of mate selection among the human species.
Quote from: ChandieSavage on February 06, 2025, 10:53:37 PM
When is an altercation specifically a "catfight" in your opinion? Big emphasis on the word opinion there as I think we all have differing definitions and as what is technically a slang term, it can certainly be open to interpretation.
Even a simple verbal spat between women can sometimes be reported on as a catfight - but for me the personally it comes down to one simple thing - tactics.
We aren't boxing, we aren't kicking and punching with skill and technique - to me two women fighting in that style are simply 'fighting' - a fight no doubt, but a catfight? In my opinion no.
Same with grappling - skilled MMA practitioners going for submissions - while impressive - does not say "catfight" to me - again women fighting with these tactics are skilled and labeling their martial arts bouts as "catfights" is kind of demeaning and dismissive of the hard work and training they've put in to fight with such technique.
To me for a catfight to be a true catfight there needs to be a lack of technical fighting and more raw emotional and feral tactics - hairpulling is a must, but grappling in a catfight is a back-and-forth affair based on strength and determination rather than skill. The strikes are also likewise less technical and involve more slapping than punching - if the women are strictly punching I hesitate to call it a catfight and just based on the intensity alone would refer to such as a fistfight or simply a 'fight'.
The combatants aren't there to simply knock out or make the other submit, there's something inherently feminine in catfight tactics that makes us just go right for the hair or scratching each others faces, shredding shirts and tearing at nylons in an attempt not as much to beat our rival down as humiliate them and damage their feminine image.
Those are my two cents, attached are some examples from some of my matches that I think of when I think "CATFIGHT" - but I'm curious what others have to say!
Really a nice perspective brought out for discussion. There are a variety of female combats on this forum and I am specifically looking for 'CATFIGHT' mostly Indian.
The essence of catfights according to me is the building up of 'tension' between the two females due to some sort of urge to humble other or may be just a desire to put other down due to jealousy.
This tension may not come out in form of physical altercation most of the times as even verbal spat involving indirect taunts escalating to direct name callings either face to face or behind the back gives the sense of the female rivalry emotion that excites. However just a verbal quarrel without anything physical seems like foreplay without sex.
The physical encounter which I would prefer to witness in catfight is any sort of attack by one womer- slap, punch, push, grab, kick by one which is immediately retaliated by the other and this attack is out of the animosity or tension built up and not just a randomly agreed competition or matchup with rules or predefined stakes. And for me the other two factors essential are -
a. The physique of the two women should be similar to ensure that none has an advantage over other or which may lead to sheer bullying by one over other.
Both the women must be able to give and take blows with fierce aggression.
b. Considering such encounters should not be premeditated, the women fighting are untrained and unaware of any techniques and the fight goes by gut instincts. Trained moves require stable mind for execution and hence in such combats the emotion essence seems absent.
Indian girls are so hot. ;D
Quote from: yx56 on February 12, 2025, 06:49:20 PM
Nudity. Anything else, it's just two females fighting. A CatFight involves nudity.
That's a wild take lol
As someone who does non-nude catfights I'd disagree with that and I think any catfights in major media ever would have to be relabeled as well.
I'm definitely not rebranding everything I do just because I don't have my tits out lol I think if I'm pulling another woman's hair and she's pulling mine, and we're slapping, wrestling around - I'd call that a catfight and I think most people would agree with me
Quote from: yx56 on February 12, 2025, 06:49:20 PM
Nudity. Anything else, it's just two females fighting. A CatFight involves nudity.
Partly disagree . I prefer them to start out with clothes on (favorite: blouse, no bra, skirt, barefoot), so the clothes can be ripped off and they may or may not end up nude.
Quote from: Horny-Jew on February 13, 2025, 02:56:33 AM
Quote from: yx56 on February 12, 2025, 06:49:20 PM
Nudity. Anything else, it's just two females fighting. A CatFight involves nudity.
Partly disagree . I prefer them to start out with clothes on (favorite: blouse, no bra, skirt, barefoot), so the clothes can be ripped off and they may or may not end up nude.
I still think all of the above fit under the broader umbrella of "catfight" - when you're talking attire you're getting into personal preference, again I'm just asking overall definition of what makes something a catfight.
The scene in from russia with love - is considered by many to be a classic cinema catfight.
I wouldn't say "well because they still have clothes on at the end it's not TECHNICALLY a catfight"
It's just a catfight with clothes on, but it's still very clearly a catfight
Also - a catfight is a CATFIGHT if both women are barefoot !!! ;D
Intensity
Quote from: pinner45 on February 27, 2025, 01:45:50 PM
Intensity
Wow so many overly complicated and VERY specific answers (that I think are more answers to "What do you LIKE to see in a catfight" not "What IS a catfight") and you break it down in one simple word.
Love it!
Time for some controversy ;D
Catfights are sexy. Think "Destry Rides Again", or "From Russia with Love". If it resembles either of these then you've got yourself a catfight.
A girl FIGHT is a fight, not sexy. I'm talking punches, kicks, blood, resulting in someone being beaten up or both battering each other.
Here comes the controversy....
I FEEL some are trying to merge the two. Seeing a woman beaten to a pulp is not something I really care to see. There's MMA and Pro boxing for that. Catfights when real are still usually harmless. There may be some scratches and bruises but ultimately nothing serious. Catfights are a spectacle and should be categorically separated from an actual fight. Just because a girl is undefeated at Suitfights doesn't mean she's ready for the octagon and I definitely don't want to see MMA violence or techniques in my Suitfights. BTW just using SF as an example, no shade to them lol.
Completely agree. I don't enjoy the women's MMA fights and/or pro boxing. I never want to see the women get hurt. Some scratches and maybe some redness is fine, but nothing worse. The less violent the fight is the more sexually aroused I get. ;D
for me a catfight is when two women lose their inhibitions and fight each other with hair pulling scratching and clawing. it will have to go to ground and get close and personal with hands looking to do damage
the essence of a catfight is to attack what makes the other woman attractive be it her hair, face or tits etc
it's NOT stand up punching and kicking it's destroy your rival before she destroys you
I'd say in a catfight neither has been trained in a form of fighting. No one gets really badly hurt. The best ones end in by one girl in a school girl pin taking slaps to the face that are more humiliating than hurtful as she covers up best she can. The girl sitting on top is taunting her in some fashion with the crowd cheering her on. Those that were cheering for the girl losing look dejected and not worried their girl will be hurt badly. Like several have said no one hurt seriously physically but humiliation and embarrassment at everyone seeing her rival in control. When it's over she wants to disappear while the winner is the talk of the town. In the best ones the winner has her rival admitting she lost and the other girl is the better woman. Now all this is depending on both girls being at least semi hot to knock out hot.
To me, it's when two women are at the edge, and something sends them off at each other physically. I recently had my first, and it was intense and she won, but the second was even more intense, and we both went for it. I was lucky to win the second one, and it was angry and hurtful, wicked hairpulling and slapping, body punches when we got all tangled up, and we both ended up with more than a few scratches. I wanted to win and hurt her, and she wanted to win and hurt me.
The thought of you, Alix in a catfight wearing your (profile picture) blouse, skirt, and barefoot is so sexy !!!
So question
With all these great answers given and most having similar definitions why such hate for scripted catfights? I'm talking the good ones like from California wildcats, and crystal films. Scripted catfights when done with care offer you all of these things in spades so why the hate?
Here is a tip: Don't ask for catfight tales in a thread that is about something else. Ask that person in private.
The scripted vs nonscirpted is fine since I think Chandie might be curious as well.
Quote from: jaybee on March 02, 2025, 05:36:16 AM
So question
With all these great answers given and most having similar definitions why such hate for scripted catfights? I'm talking the good ones like from California wildcats, and crystal films. Scripted catfights when done with care offer you all of these things in spades so why the hate?
"It's not the thing I like so therefor it is BAD" is unfortunately a common trend in our culture these days and there are some people that go out of their way to comment on obviously scripted content to say it's fake / garbage or whatever.
I think it's a minority of fans but just a very vocal and toxic minority.
I always say 'to each their own' and let people enjoy what they enjoy, some people love scripted scenarios with stories and a variety of moves, others prefer strictly competitive catfights.
Everyone is allowed to like what they like!
I've never been an athlete and have no real martial arts training - I'm more Bettie Page than Rhonda Rousey but I have plenty of friends who still do the rougher competitive stuff and prefer it.
I like to tell stories with my videos, even if the story is just two chicks fighting, it's still like a small movie with a beginning, a middle, and an end.
It's like comparing an action movie to a UFC fight - they aren't the same thing, apples and oranges and you're allowed to like either one or even both if you want.
Well said chandie by far the most arousing catfight video for me is $600 wager by CW yes it's scripted but omg it's well acted and the scenario is many a husbands dream, are you up for recreating that ?
Quote from: maturecatfan on March 02, 2025, 06:38:27 PM
Well said chandie by far the most arousing catfight video for me is $600 wager by CW yes it's scripted but omg it's well acted and the scenario is many a husbands dream, are you up for recreating that ?
While I don't know the video in particular I assume it's probably vintage 80's / 90's videos which are fun I just don't do nudity or topless personally which a lot of those tend to feature heavily with clothes being torn off or stripped etc.
I'm up for all sorts of scenarios though and definitely open to doing scenes with acting and dialogue to build up a match.
I haven't had much of that in my videos for the most part it's just right to the action - but I'm definitely open for doing some more scripted performances in the future!
The 600 Dollar Wager, by far, the #1 scripted catfight to date. Perfect scenario/build-up that I wish more catfights would contain. Two husbands make a wager that their wife would be the other in an all-out catfight. Takes place in a living room where the husbands egg the ladies to fight it out in front of them. The ladies are reluctant at first, especially the hot blond, but are finally convinced knowing there is $600 on the line and want to win and pleasure their husband by humiliating and beating the other woman and collect the $$$. They stand face to face on a rug, tossing their shoes off confronting each other with glares that can kill. Once they attack each other all is thrown out the window. The attire, bra and garter stockings adds to the sexiness of the fight as both are determined to win. They fight standing, go to the floor ripping at each other and pulling hair. A clear winner at the end! One lady and her husband jubilant, loser licking her wounds with her husband comforting her. This what a makes this catfight great and exciting for me.
Quote from: shesfinished on March 02, 2025, 08:56:01 PM
The 600 Dollar Wager, by far, the #1 scripted catfight to date. Perfect scenario/build-up that I wish more catfights would contain. Two husbands make a wager that their wife would be the other in an all-out catfight. Takes place in a living room where the husbands egg the ladies to fight it out in front of them. The ladies are reluctant at first, especially the hot blond, but are finally convinced knowing there is $600 on the line and want to win and pleasure their husband by humiliating and beating the other woman and collect the $$$. They stand face to face on a rug, tossing their shoes off confronting each other with glares that can kill. Once they attack each other all is thrown out the window. The attire, bra and garter stockings adds to the sexiness of the fight as both are determined to win. They fight standing, go to the floor ripping at each other and pulling hair. A clear winner at the end! One lady and her husband jubilant, loser licking her wounds with her husband comforting her. This what a makes this catfight great and exciting for me.
If you liked $600 Wager you'd also love the sequel. Can't remember the title but it took place outdoors in the backyard. The winner of $600 Wager catches the loser hooking up with her boyfriend/husband(?) from the first fight and a backyard brawl erupts! It's also a California wildcats production
600 Dollar Wager. The description says it all!
https://www.wrestlingnostalgiatv.com/all-categories/product/8256-the600wager(cv33)
You can also find the complete catfight on the internet
If we're being honest.the concept of a Catfight is a male fantasy, it's what guys imagine a fight between two women is like versus what it's actually like but in answer to you question, it's simply a fight between two women but just pure, primal techniques involved, it largely comes down to which woman wants the victory more.
One of the reasons I love California Wildcats (even if it is, essentially porn) is that, although scripted, you can see both pleasure and pain on the faces of the women involved.
Quote from: DM on March 05, 2025, 12:54:13 PM
If we're being honest.the concept of a Catfight is a male fantasy, it's what guys imagine a fight between two women is like versus what it's actually like but in answer to you question, it's simply a fight between two women but just pure, primal techniques involved, it largely comes down to which woman wants the victory more.
One of the reasons I love California Wildcats (even if it is, essentially porn) is that, although scripted, you can see both pleasure and pain on the faces of the women involved.
Wow DM with an ACTUAL answer to the prompt - 4 pages deep into a thread that's way off the rails haha but it's a good answer!
Though I certainly think it's adult material I don't personally consider those videos "porn" - in my mind fetish and general erotica are sort of their own separate category of "Sexy but not sexual" kink material.
BUT I digress, this isn't the "What is PORN" thread haha it's "What makes a catfight" and you nailed it with your answer! Great job!
Quote from: ChandieSavage on March 05, 2025, 01:06:56 PM
Quote from: DM on March 05, 2025, 12:54:13 PM
If we're being honest.the concept of a Catfight is a male fantasy, it's what guys imagine a fight between two women is like versus what it's actually like but in answer to you question, it's simply a fight between two women but just pure, primal techniques involved, it largely comes down to which woman wants the victory more.
One of the reasons I love California Wildcats (even if it is, essentially porn) is that, although scripted, you can see both pleasure and pain on the faces of the women involved.
Wow DM with an ACTUAL answer to the prompt - 4 pages deep into a thread that's way off the rails haha but it's a good answer!
Though I certainly think it's adult material I don't personally consider those videos "porn" - in my mind fetish and general erotica are sort of their own separate category of "Sexy but not sexual" kink material.
BUT I digress, this isn't the "What is PORN" thread haha it's "What makes a catfight" and you nailed it with your answer! Great job!
Hmm well maybe it's time to colligate together all the responses which answer your question and see if between them you can create a definitive answer?
Xoxo
Kate
Quote from: KateA - The Devil In Heels on March 05, 2025, 01:24:09 PM
Quote from: ChandieSavage on March 05, 2025, 01:06:56 PM
Quote from: DM on March 05, 2025, 12:54:13 PM
If we're being honest.the concept of a Catfight is a male fantasy, it's what guys imagine a fight between two women is like versus what it's actually like but in answer to you question, it's simply a fight between two women but just pure, primal techniques involved, it largely comes down to which woman wants the victory more.
One of the reasons I love California Wildcats (even if it is, essentially porn) is that, although scripted, you can see both pleasure and pain on the faces of the women involved.
Wow DM with an ACTUAL answer to the prompt - 4 pages deep into a thread that's way off the rails haha but it's a good answer!
Though I certainly think it's adult material I don't personally consider those videos "porn" - in my mind fetish and general erotica are sort of their own separate category of "Sexy but not sexual" kink material.
BUT I digress, this isn't the "What is PORN" thread haha it's "What makes a catfight" and you nailed it with your answer! Great job!
Hmm well maybe it's time to colligate together all the responses which answer your question and see if between them you can create a definitive answer?
Xoxo
Kate
I think this pretty much IS the definitive answer, the wording has varied but the core concept is the same.
- Fight between two women
- "primal" techniques such as hairpulling, slapping, scratching, biting etc. as opposed to more skill-based fighting
Something in our nature that just comes out in the form of raw aggression, and tactics that are more primal / instinctual based rather than skill - the pulling the hair, the slapping the face, the scratching, the biting etc.
The reasons WHY we're fighting that way can vary - sometimes it's just a product of the culture / upbringing to not be formally trained or experienced in fighting. Other times it's just raw emotion that takes over and even women WITH those combat skills may just forgo them in favor of the aforementioned 'catfight' tactics just in a blind rage.
ASPECTS of the fights can vary, the conflict itself, the attire, the setting etc. but the two constants are 'a fight between women', and the tactics that are deployed that make a catfight.... a catfight it seems
Quote from: ChandieSavage on March 05, 2025, 02:16:03 PM
Quote from: KateA - The Devil In Heels on March 05, 2025, 01:24:09 PM
Quote from: ChandieSavage on March 05, 2025, 01:06:56 PM
Quote from: DM on March 05, 2025, 12:54:13 PM
If we're being honest.the concept of a Catfight is a male fantasy, it's what guys imagine a fight between two women is like versus what it's actually like but in answer to you question, it's simply a fight between two women but just pure, primal techniques involved, it largely comes down to which woman wants the victory more.
One of the reasons I love California Wildcats (even if it is, essentially porn) is that, although scripted, you can see both pleasure and pain on the faces of the women involved.
Wow DM with an ACTUAL answer to the prompt - 4 pages deep into a thread that's way off the rails haha but it's a good answer!
Though I certainly think it's adult material I don't personally consider those videos "porn" - in my mind fetish and general erotica are sort of their own separate category of "Sexy but not sexual" kink material.
BUT I digress, this isn't the "What is PORN" thread haha it's "What makes a catfight" and you nailed it with your answer! Great job!
Hmm well maybe it's time to colligate together all the responses which answer your question and see if between them you can create a definitive answer?
Xoxo
Kate
I think this pretty much IS the definitive answer, the wording has varied but the core concept is the same.
- Fight between two women
- "primal" techniques such as hairpulling, slapping, scratching, biting etc. as opposed to more skill-based fighting
Something in our nature that just comes out in the form of raw aggression, and tactics that are more primal / instinctual based rather than skill - the pulling the hair, the slapping the face, the scratching, the biting etc.
The reasons WHY we're fighting that way can vary - sometimes it's just a product of the culture / upbringing to not be formally trained or experienced in fighting. Other times it's just raw emotion that takes over and even women WITH those combat skills may just forgo them in favor of the aforementioned 'catfight' tactics just in a blind rage.
ASPECTS of the fights can vary, the conflict itself, the attire, the setting etc. but the two constants are 'a fight between women', and the tactics that are deployed that make a catfight.... a catfight it seems
Personally I would do one minor change to your answer, I would add as a bullet point: Participants state of mind - The psychological aspect of those involved in a catfight is super important and deserves a higher level of recognition.
My state of mind in a catfight can be summed up as "Attack, Attack, ATTACK!!! And to hell with the consequences".
Quote from: KateA - The Devil In Heels on March 05, 2025, 03:01:06 PM
Personally I would do one minor change to your answer, I would add as a bullet point: Participants state of mind - The psychological aspect of those involved in a catfight is super important and deserves a higher level of recognition.
My state of mind in a catfight can be summed up as "Attack, Attack, ATTACK!!! And to hell with the consequences".
I think this was his intention with the word primal but I agree it's more a mentality, it's the raw aggression that takes over. SOMETIMES there are more traditional catfights where opponents aren't as skilled. Sometimes maybe they are skilled, but either way the point at which they say to hell with it and let instinct and aggression take over - I do believe that's when you have a CATFIGHT on your hands!
Quote from: ChandieSavage on March 05, 2025, 01:06:56 PM
Though I certainly think it's adult material I don't personally consider those videos "porn" - in my mind fetish and general erotica are sort of their own separate category of "Sexy but not sexual" kink material.
BUT I digress, this isn't the "What is PORN" thread haha it's "What makes a catfight" and you nailed it with your answer! Great job!
I think you're probably right, I used Porn as a shorthand primarily because there's most definitely a sexual element to those videos and they always seem to end up on Porn sites primarily because of the nudity.
Quote from: DM on March 06, 2025, 10:54:04 AM
Quote from: ChandieSavage on March 05, 2025, 01:06:56 PM
Though I certainly think it's adult material I don't personally consider those videos "porn" - in my mind fetish and general erotica are sort of their own separate category of "Sexy but not sexual" kink material.
BUT I digress, this isn't the "What is PORN" thread haha it's "What makes a catfight" and you nailed it with your answer! Great job!
I think you're probably right, I used Porn as a shorthand primarily because there's most definitely a sexual element to those videos and they always seem to end up on Porn sites primarily because of the nudity.
It's adult content regardless - and I'm sure meets the dictionary definition of porn because there is an erotic element to it. Even my matches without nudity are still fetish videos I just like to use more specific terms like 'fetish videos' as opposed to just "Porn" because to me the language paints a better word picture of what it is.
When someone says "I watch porn" my immediate thought is they watch videos of people fucking.
When someone says "I watch fetish content" - I know it's more specific, not necessarily involving sex but involving kink in some way. My head goes right to ropes and spanking etc but catfights would also fit in this category.
Wow! One of the more popular topics I've seen lately! Fun! Great topic to ask and I enjoyed reading everyone's thoughts!
I'll just say it seems to be so much in the eye of the beholder. To a fetishist, it's simply the difference between seeing a conflict and either going..."look, a fight"... and, "oh baby...a catfight!"