The other day, I began to trace the evolution of my interest in this whole genre. I would be interested in others as well.
I think the first time I really became aware of female fights was watching the old Popeye cartoon where Olive Oil tangled with the blonde fitness girl. Titled Never Kick a Woman ", Popeye and Olive Oil are watching a sexy blonde woman shadow boxing thru a store window. Popeye wants Olive Oil to learn to box, so they go in. The sexy blonde has eyes for Popeye and eventually Olive Oil challenges the fit blonde to a boxing match. The blonde roughs up Olive Oil and tuns her attention to the sailor man again. Like her boyfriend does when in trouble, she gulps down spinach and proceeds to demolish the blonde. I'm sure everyone here is familiar with clip. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nN4l1kInmRs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nN4l1kInmRs)
My first time that I remember seeing a female fight in a movie was in a movie titled, "The Key to The City." (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vq7VL591k0I&pp=ygUeQSBLZXkgdG8gdGhlIENpdHkgIENsYXJrIENhYmxl) It starred Clark Cable, Loretta Young, Raymond Burr, and Marilyn Maxwell. Clark Gable and Loretta Young were mayors in San Francisco for a mayor's conference. Gable's character is a rough and tumble sort of guy where the Young's character is a sophisticated, Ivy League type. Raymond Burr is Gable's rival and is looking to find dirt on Gable. Maxwell is a blonde dancer, who would likely be portrayed as a stripper if the movie were made today. The Burr character has some dirt on Gable (compromising picture with the blonde) and he wants to get it to the papers. The two mayors have become an item and Gable wants to marry her. Near the end of the movie, Gable and Burr are engaged in a knock down drag out fight. During the fight, the Burr character passes the picture on to Maxwell to pass it on to the press. The Young character stands in the doorway and stops the blonde from leaving. Maxwell slaps the brunette to get her out of the way. Young warns her not to do that again. Maxwell tells her, "Why I would tear you apart." She then goes to slap her again but the brunette blocks it and then proceeds to beat the blonde about the room. It was the proper girl who took the tough girl apart. Needless to say that movie became one I would watch again.
Another movie/TV show girl fight was from the Mike Hammer series (Darin McGavin). In this show another blonde v. brunette fight takes place. In this episode, the brunette was the villian. In the fight scene, she is holding a gun on the blonde and McGavin. The blonde jumps the brunette, takes the gun away and forces her into the corner. The action cuts a way from the women and focus on McGavin and the bad guy fighting. When they cut back to the women, the expectation is that the blonde will have subdued the evil brunette but what we see is the brunette in control. She lands a right and a left that backs up the blonde. The blonde tries to land a right of her own only to be blocked by the brunette who lands another right to the blonde's face. The shot cuts away to McGavin who has quickly subdues his foe and we see a smile on his face watching to two women fight. He then steps in to separate the women but the blonde objects and wants to finish off the bad girl. McGavin relents. The brunette tries to land a right but this time the blonde blocks her shot and floors the brunette with a right. This fight stuck with me because it really had some back and forth action, and made me want to see more of this . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFuiZDT1Q-Q&list=FLkZIAxdmLA8IWZVTvRCnQog (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFuiZDT1Q-Q&list=FLkZIAxdmLA8IWZVTvRCnQog)
In the mid 60's there was a TV show called "Honey West." It starred Anne Francis and I recall she was involved in a number of fights. I don't really remember any in particular but just remember she mixed it up a lot. It was also around this time that I became acquainted with women's wrestling and I fell in love with a wrestler named Penny Banner. https://www.pinterest.com/pin/classic-wrestling-match-penny-banner-vs-toni-rose-in-1972--507499451754602891/ (https://www.pinterest.com/pin/classic-wrestling-match-penny-banner-vs-toni-rose-in-1972--507499451754602891/)
When I was teenager, I went to a drive in movie with my friend and his parents. The feature was the "Mini Skirt Mob" starring Diane McBain and Sherry Jackson. McBain and Jackson get it on several times but near the end there is a very one-sided fight between McBain and Jackson, with blonde knocking the brunette out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQkJIf58ha8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQkJIf58ha8) Aside from the one-sided beating. I remember my friend's mom, a brunette, stating in disgust at the result, that there wasn't blonde born that could beat a brunette. It was at that point that I realized the blonde v. brunette thing was real.
It has stuck with me since and still gets me going to watch those kinds of fights. In fact, my wife's first fight was a blonde v brunette contest. I chronicled it in one of my very first stories I ever posted here. While the story deviates a bit from the fight, it pretty closes resembles the action. https://www.freecatfights.com/forums/index.php?topic=71485.msg525404#msg525404 (https://www.freecatfights.com/forums/index.php?topic=71485.msg525404#msg525404)
Well, anyway that was my journey. Would love to hear other's.
I caught the bug when I saw an ad in my dads porn mags ( that he thought he hid ). The ad stated "fighting girls" or something like that. I ordered the magazine, sent cash thru the mail, and actually received the magazines ( more honest times ? ).
The humor in the whole thing was when the mail came my mom opened it without looking at the name I guess ( I never got mail as a 12 yr old kid) . At some point during the day she says "oh by the way, I think this is for you", handing me the envelope with the magazine inside. I was mortified to say the least,seeing it was opened. Mom had this shit eating grin on her face that I remember until this day. That was all she said, no lecture, no warnings that I could go blind.
My mom was strict ( with respect and manners especially) but very cool as far as sex was concerned. Mom is still kickin at 100 yrs old. She doesn't remember who I am anymore , but I remember her as a great mom.
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This is all wonderful stuff. Thank you for sharing it and your "Journey " with us.
My first exposure to a "catfight" was as a 13 year old on the Beverly Hillbillies!
Season Six, Episode 22 - 'Rasslin Clampetts" ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOK6nIjQ0C8&list=PLUA9kG1DciUxRvbTCTuW83ghFA8il51t4&index=190 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOK6nIjQ0C8&list=PLUA9kG1DciUxRvbTCTuW83ghFA8il51t4&index=190)
The Clampetts are watching wrestling on TV and it's a female match between a very cut little girl, "Rebecca of Donny Brook Farm" and "The Boston Strong Girl." It was a one sided beat down with poor little Rebecca getting destroyed. :P
It was so hot that I had to go to the bathroom and "relieve myself." Ha ha ha... ::)
They should do an adult remake of that fight! ;D
Damn, I forgot all about that Popeye episode but that one totally fucked me up as a little kid in a big way ! It's hard ( no pun intended ;) ) to say if that was my first time but it was about that same age the female combat interest - or curse - was triggered and established itself in me with no hope to escape it. That Popeye one hooked me in for sure but female boxing / fist fights never reached me like wrestling did. But after that as a little kid, I always was hoping for the female fight in the cowboy shows I watched.
I'll have to write up a history of my own and contribute to this thread soon . Thanks for the reminder of the Popeye episode :)
Mine was Sports Review wrestling and the apartment house matches. Very strict homelife on sex etc. Only way I could even see pictures of women in a bikini or underwear. The rest is history. Evan wrote some stories with a lady who was my muse as it were
Quote from: F4UCORSAIR on January 16, 2025, 08:03:03 PM
I caught the bug when I saw an ad in my dads porn mags ( that he thought he hid ). The ad stated "fighting girls" or something like that. I ordered the magazine, sent cash thru the mail, and actually received the magazines ( more honest times ? ).
The humor in the whole thing was when the mail came my mom opened it without looking at the name I guess ( I never got mail as a 12 yr old kid) . At some point during the day she says "oh by the way, I think this is for you", handing me the envelope with the magazine inside. I was mortified to say the least,seeing it was opened. Mom had this shit eating grin on her face that I remember until this day. That was all she said, no lecture, no warnings that I could go blind.
My mom was strict ( with respect and manners especially) but very cool as far as sex was concerned. Mom is still kickin at 100 yrs old. She doesn't remember who I am anymore , but I remember her as a great mom.
This is so amusing that I'm going to start a new thread on "Being Outed."
I first remember being turned on by women wrestling when I was about 11. A woman's match was on TV. Moolah was tossing a blonde around the ring like ragdoll. I remember when she pinned her I was really turned on.
A few months after that I saw my best friend's mom playfully wrestle with one of her friends. Her friend pinned her pretty easily and I thought it was so hot. I really became obsessed fantasizing about my friend's mom wrestling other women. Of course she would always lose.
This was around the time Sports Review Wrestling started to feature the apartment house wrestling matches. There was a candy store on the corner that carried them. They would come the first Tuesday of the month and that was always my first stop after school in that day.
I eventually sent away for the magazines Battling Girls, Big & Busty Brawlers, Fighting Hellcats, Claws, etc. Got my first VHS tape from Triumph Studios when I was about 25. I think it was called "Tight Moves". There were two matches, one with Tantala where she gives a beating to a younger girl, the other one was Patty Sanchez dominating a blonde.
I can go on and on but that is the short version.
Don't remember exactly when it started, but it's been most of my 56 years. I do remember feeling embarrassed and my heart pounding when women's wrestling would come on TV and other people were around. My friends would laugh as if they were watching clowns, but for me it was a major turn on. I have been trying to figure out why it affects me that all of my life.
Quote from: Popadoc45 on February 01, 2025, 11:23:12 PM
Don't remember exactly when it started, but it's been most of my 56 years. I do remember feeling embarrassed and my heart pounding when women's wrestling would come on TV and other people were around. My friends would laugh as if they were watching clowns, but for me it was a major turn on. I have been trying to figure out why it affects me that all of my life.
Not to play the psychiatrist here, but I searched for an answer to the same question for years. There are several theories that I've read over the years that attempt to explain why we are drawn to this genre. Some very complex; some very simple. I usually opt for simple. What I have observed to be a consistent trait of most, if not all of us is the presence of a strong woman figure in our backgrounds. One who had a significant impact on us at an early age -- most often it's Mom, but perhaps an aunt, or an older sister. That did it for me, and I found peace. If that resonates with you, good. If not, you'll keep looking.
Well, my mom did have to take over the household after my dad became sick with MS and I did have a sister that was 11 years older than me. I witnessed a very short fight between the two of them and a fight my sister was in outside our home. Maybe that has something to do with it as I suspected and tried to deny over the years.
Mine when i was at school and saw 2 girls fight and bully got beat it made me feel good and i was a boy at time, 20 years later i am now trans girl and still enjoy girly fights
OK, here's are my milestones into female fighting ;
> My very first female fight that was the Popeye episode that the original poster brought up. One thing I remember for sure about it was how attracted I was to the blonds muscular physique. I've been attracted to that ever since Many, many, many years after this Popeye cartoon I realized God was real when discovering Premier Productions which featured female bodybuilders and fitness women wrestling.
> The second and major thing was seeing my first female pro wrestling match on TV which wasn't that long after the Popeye cartoon. Something really special about this was the 'grapevine test of strength' the ladies engaged in which burned itself into my head. Female wrestling and a leg fetish became hopelessly ingrained in me forever after seeing this.
> Saw a real life after school girl fight in 7th grade. A small group of the girl friends gathered to watch while me and two others were the only boys ... supposedly more guys weren't interested because they agreed to no punching. Neither girl knew anything about fighting and and it turned out to be a roll around with hair pulling and cursing. I wasn't a fan of females boxing so this 'wrestling fight' was fine by me.
> Years later in high school a friend alerted me about a couple girls planning to fight after school and I couldn't believe who they were. They weren't a couple trashy, sleazy girls you'd expect but a couple real 'sophisticated' girls ; each were honor students and leaders of various school activity groups, etc. and both very pretty. I couldn't imagine those two willing to fight as it was so unlike them and damn if I wasn't right .... they called it off before the end of the day. The anticipation I had that afternoon was crazy ... I had this show-down between the two going through my head ( both heads ;) ) all day long. At first I was disappointed but then glad they decided not to fight as they were friends and would hate to see their friendship ruined for my degenerate entertainment.
> After high school I started looking for female wrestling stuff in the back of wrestling magazines where you'd mail someone a dollar for price lists. I'll always remember the samples Judell Dulong sent me which were 3 X 5 prints of some of their prettiest girls like Cindy Brookes and Liz Meles with a hand written note from Judell introducing herself as a women who ' ...really does wrestle ...' The color prints of the girls were in a whole different league from the lousy black and white examples sent out by everyone else. This was also before VHS ... so reel to reel movies were all there was if you wanted to see more than still pictures. Now look at how spoiled we are !
> Last thing that brought it all together was discovering Barb's board , ' The Combative Women's Website'. Ever since no site has ever came close that place but unfortunately it ended when many nasty arguments between posters erupted on a daily basis. Barb became disgusted with that >:( and finally pulled the plug.
Greatly enjoyed Barb's site. Had a couple of "conversations with her about my attraction and dealing with the wife. Very understanding and helpful
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Greatly enjoyed Barb's site. Had a couple of "conversations with her about my attraction and dealing with the wife. Very understanding and helpful
Barb could have made a small fortune by simply billing guys like us for her counseling services.
Believe it or not I can remember sitting on the couch with my dad watching a prehistoric movie when two village girls started punching each other out. Here is the believe it or not, my mom left my dad when I was three years old so it had to be before then but I remember being so excited.
I love origin story talk so much and could listen all day to it!
I've done a lot of self reflection. I grew up very anxious seeing things fight, horses, the dogs in Ol Yeller, etc. This may sound strange but I would relive that anxiety in naughty ways to myself. So, when puberty kicked in and I saw two women oil wrestling on some TV digest show, I was mesmerized!
From that point on, I couldn't get enough substance wrestling videos from local video rental stores!
Eventually I opened up a PO box under the disguise of a music club and found an ad for mail order video rental club and my fetish activity grew and developed and moved and I've become the hair pulling catfight fan I am today!
Thank you for sharing your journeys; I enjoyed reading through them. For me, my first interest was in video games, where I specifically liked pitting women against each other for some reason. As I grew older, I remember a medieval fight where two women were fighting. This was the first time that I felt some type of way, and I think my dad also noticed and knew something was up. Anyway, I didn't really think about it until I saw a great, decisive, and brutal catfight in person that shaped my preference. For example, my thing for knockouts and blonde vs brunette matchups. You can read about the fight here. https://www.freecatfights.com/forums/index.php?topic=116712.msg757514#msg757514 (https://www.freecatfights.com/forums/index.php?topic=116712.msg757514#msg757514)
love this kind of thread..........prompts so many memories....the phases gone through and still marvelling at the bitches brawling !
Well it's been a long journey for "something" that I firmly believe was installed in my consciousness from a very early age. I always liked the "Man from UNCLE" when it came out but I liked it even more when they featured a catfight. I also recall that the spin off "The Girl from UNCLE" had a catfight or two as well. so it was films & TV that sustained me until a magazine called "Amazons in Action" came out in the mid 70's. My horizons widened somewhat as it proved I wasn't alone in this particular form of "excitement" Moving south for work gave me the opportunity to explore a little deeper & also working in London allowed me to make selective purchases from the Swish shops in Great Guildford St, Newport Court & a very dodgy back street somewhere near Brough Underground station ! Plus spotting the AJAX catalogue in one of the magazines gave me access to his treasure trove of stories. The discovery of video tapes from Ring Girl productions, Crystal etc raised my visual awareness to whole new level. Like many of us on the scene we all got caught out on occasions with purchases that weren't quite in keeping with the Trades Description Act !! But life is indeed a journey of lessons !
One regret of many is not plucking up the courage to attend one of the TPC Days that were advertised in our publications in person. To say I was a bit shy back in those days was an understatement & was of the misguided impression that it was more of a solitary fetish. The internet of course blew that wide open & suddenly you didn't feel so alone. I missed out on so much but having some more disposable income did some serious catching up, Sensual Struggle Sexfights with the likes of Amber, Joslyn & Mandy & having discovered that the TPC bouts were available I was finally able to attend albeit virtually. Good grief, seeing the likes of Lena in full on mode ! Well WOW. Those three bouts / brawls / fights with Ayeshia certainly weren't faked in my opinion & I'd have loved to have heard the back story between the two of them. What a mature rematch that would have made !! Sadly I'm led to believe that Lena passed away in the first Covid epidemic so we'll never know why there was such enmity between them & the people involved with fixing up those fights are probably long gone now as well sadly. Forums like this are a great help along with Hostboard for Mike JV's page which included the Mr Cage & John Smith fight stories. Deviant Art is another good resource & there's certainly some talent there but I think commissioning some pictures based on Cage's "The Will" or Ms Jacob's Barn II would potentially put such compositions in the RAM / Stanton realm, think Amazons Death Struggle 1 through to 4 !!
Somewhat cathartic writing this all down for the denizens of our world but no doubt we've had slightly similar stories as we navigate this unique underground corner of the world of fetishes.
Thanks for reading.
PS
Any idea what happened to the following fighting ladies ?
Taylor from Crystal
Maylay from Crystal
Ayeshia from TPC
Joslyn from Sensual Struggle
Chinky from Ring Girl Productions
Penguin from Ring Girl Productions
Thanks for the responses. I enjoyed finding out what sparked other's interest. It is amazing as I go back and look at those links I posted in the OP, I still get excited watching those despite knowing the outcome.
I became hooked like many guys on FvF fighting with Sports Review Wrestling Apartment House Wrestling stories. For a boy in a Catholic Grammar school the pictures of topless/naked ladies with black bars over the naughty bits was the only porn available. This was the early 1970's and Playboy and other magazines were only covered up so that only the titles showed and sold from "behind the counter". Then there were videos, and Cavalier magazine and it was off to the races.
I am not trying to start a bonfire with this message, merely commenting on subjects that have come from the OP.
Some information I have learned from being in the community that I think is relevant to the discussion.
Regarding ladies who fought for Crystal. No I don't know any of them. But I recall a posting somewhere on FCF by a member who said he has been a Crystal cameraman. He also made reference to being at a gathering of some of the former Crystal fighters. I am sorry but I do not recall the poster's FCF name.
Regarding Barb of CWS fame. I do not know here, nor did I ever speak to her directly. I was a fan of the site. "Barb"'s identify has to be the second biggest mystery behind who was D.B.Cooper, It was a fiction of the times, as the internet was in its infancy. I read that an earlier poster did have conversations with her. Trying to discover the identity of someone who has chosen to remain hidden is absolutely wrong, However I do wish there was a way for this community to convey our appreciation for bringing out hobby into the sunshine. Her VV group continues on Fetlife, but there is no moderator, The last two ladies who ran herd on the group, hung up their panties, retired from fighting, and left Fet entirely. I was fortunate to have had a message based relationship with one of them before she left the game. I do not recall asking her about Barb's identity but in general I think other women established the Fetlife Group and may have never actually known Barb IRL.
Just a minor note, another early star of FvF fighting, Venus DeLight has come out of retirement and did at least one match for JMR in 2024. So as far as women leaving the business, one should never say never.
Quote from: sinclairfan on July 18, 2025, 09:55:32 PM
Always good to hear Venus Delight is doing well. I hope she's found happiness and stability.
Sinclair.
She seems to be. I have not chatted with her in a while. She did have some serious health challenges about 4 years ago related to implants. It was challenging although I do not know exactly what was wrong. They were removed and she healed up. I always love seeing her in action.
Now if anyone know how Blair Mitchell is doing I'd love to find out. She was another superstar in my book.
July 1, 1995 - Superfan Francine gives Stevie Richards a kiss that Beulah McGillicuty doesn't like and the two start pulling hair.
August 26, 1995 - After nearly two months of teases, Francine vs Beulah have a sanctioned catfight on ECW TV with Stevie Richards as special referee.
From there on I was always on the lookout for anything in pro wrestling that looked like it could result in a catfight and eventually found my way to things like Double Trouble and then message boards.