Do mature women beat younger women more often? In my experience that statement is true they enjoy beating younger beautiful women like me I have seen it and I have also endured when I was 31yo (currently 34) I got my butt soundly beaten by a 50yo woman and just recently I saw a good friend of mine Becca 27yo get absolutely demolished by a 51yo woman named Marie she took her time and real pleasure in torturing and dismantling my friend it was so brutal my eyes got watery and I had to turn my head because i couldn't bare to see her finishing my friend her sobbing and begging for mercy were haunting enough. So hence my original question
Do mature women beat younger women more often ? And why do they take so much pleasure in beating us and humiliating us ?
Quote from: sinclairfan on August 27, 2024, 01:00:52 AM
Just abstractly?
Were you watching the Olympics?
The younger girl always has a massive advantage.
I wouldn't say massive advantage, but i understand your point about a younger woman having better endurance and conditioning
I feel older woman are more vicious. They also can take more physical abuse in the sense that they can endure more pain than a younger girl. Just my perspective on what I have seen.
One of my favorite wrestling matches is a "fight" between a mature Malay and a younger woman named Tatiana in the series "Catfights From The Den." Both women are about the same height and weight. The match is topless from the beginning, and both women are well endowed, although there is a profound contrast between the two sets of busts. For me the two similar, but different body types make the match very provocative. There is the older Malay doing her best to defeat the younger, quicker, slightly stronger and more toned rival. Being older, I can certainly relate to her situation. In the end Tatiana uses her advantages to come out on top, but not without being significantly pushed by the crafty and determined Malay. Yes, youth has its advantages that in a hand-to-hand encounter is usually too much for an older person to overcome.
Valkerie, In the case of the fight you lost, did the older woman have much more fight experience than you did? How did you two wind up facing each other? If it was a "bad blood" situation I can see things getting out of control easily and quickly. That scenario also results in no rules fighting. The fight you saw your friend hurt in also sounds like it was a spontaneous fight with real animosity between the fighters. It may be cases where the younger ladies suddenly would up facing ladies with years of catfighting style expereince, or who had trained as fighters in their past. I can't see arranged fights set up with such things being OK after a fighter submitted or begging for it to end.
Quote from: suffolkwrestling on August 27, 2024, 09:39:38 PM
Valkerie, In the case of the fight you lost, did the older woman have much more fight experience than you did? How did you two wind up facing each other? If it was a "bad blood" situation I can see things getting out of control easily and quickly. That scenario also results in no rules fighting. The fight you saw your friend hurt in also sounds like it was a spontaneous fight with real animosity between the fighters. It may be cases where the younger ladies suddenly would up facing ladies with years of catfighting style expereince, or who had trained as fighters in their past. I can't see arranged fights set up with such things being OK after a fighter submitted or begging for it to end.
Yes you are correct in both mine and my friends fights there was bad blood between us, in my friends case it was about a guy and in my case it was just the culmination of a series of velvet insults, condescending comments and threats that eventually led into a physical confrontation, both fight were private and prearranged, in my case i went with my cousin and her daughter came with her and in my friends case my cousin and I went with her and she came with her 2 daughters, all of the rules and stakes of the 2 fights were agreed on previously by both sides.
Age is just a number and being mature (I hate that word) does not mean you have an advantage over a younger opponent. There are many factors we should consider and sometimes you can lose a catfight simply because luck was against you. I saw a friend lose a fight about three years ago when a heel snapped unexpectedly; she fell hard to the pavement and then proceeded to lose momentum and ultimately the fight. You could argue she should have kicked off her heels before hand; but honestly how many of us think about doing that in the seconds before all hell breaks loose?
Now if you were to ask me what is the most important factor that separates victory and defeat. Personally I would say emotions are probably for me the most important factor when we talk about catfighting. Anger and aggression are very powerful and useful emotions but it must be controlled! Uncontrolled anger and aggression is less useful and in all likelihood hindrance to victory. But once again; this is one factor out of many.
But perhaps another discussion we should have is this: What is the secret to being successful at catfighting? What qualities and or experiences do the most successful catfighter's have?
Xoxo
Kate
Quote from: Broken Valkyrie on August 28, 2024, 06:27:52 AM
Quote from: suffolkwrestling on August 27, 2024, 09:39:38 PM
Valkerie, In the case of the fight you lost, did the older woman have much more fight experience than you did? How did you two wind up facing each other? If it was a "bad blood" situation I can see things getting out of control easily and quickly. That scenario also results in no rules fighting. The fight you saw your friend hurt in also sounds like it was a spontaneous fight with real animosity between the fighters. It may be cases where the younger ladies suddenly would up facing ladies with years of catfighting style expereince, or who had trained as fighters in their past. I can't see arranged fights set up with such things being OK after a fighter submitted or begging for it to end.
Yes you are correct in both mine and my friends fights there was bad blood between us, in my friends case it was about a guy and in my case it was just the culmination of a series of velvet insults, condescending comments and threats that eventually led into a physical confrontation, both fight were private and prearranged, in my case i went with my cousin and her daughter came with her and in my friends case my cousin and I went with her and she came with her 2 daughters, all of the rules and stakes of the 2 fights were agreed on previously by both sides.
Would you be willing to give some details about both fights?
I am never surprised when a person a few years older wins, whether it is female or male. But in both fights you mention, the older ladies are 19 and 24 years older. WOW!! I would thought the ladies in their 50s would be slowing down when facing opponents so much younger. Maybe not!
In both fights, all combatants were aware and prepared since prearranged. How badly did that 50yo beat you? And how did that 51yo torture and dismantle your friend? I hope it doesn't bring back harsh memories.
Thanks for sharing.
Quote from: Dicey_Kate on August 28, 2024, 01:34:21 PM
Age is just a number and being mature (I hate that word) does not mean you have an advantage over a younger opponent. There are many factors we should consider and sometimes you can lose a catfight simply because luck was against you. I saw a friend lose a fight about three years ago when a heel snapped unexpectedly; she fell hard to the pavement and then proceeded to lose momentum and ultimately the fight. You could argue she should have kicked off her heels before hand; but honestly how many of us think about doing that in the seconds before all hell breaks loose?
Now if you were to ask me what is the most important factor that separates victory and defeat. Personally I would say emotions are probably for me the most important factor when we talk about catfighting. Anger and aggression are very powerful and useful emotions but it must be controlled! Uncontrolled anger and aggression is less useful and in all likelihood hindrance to victory. But once again; this is one factor out of many.
But perhaps another discussion we should have is this: What is the secret to being successful at catfighting? What qualities and or experiences do the most successful catfighter's have?
Xoxo
Kate
Excellent points. Granted, I come from a male perspective but sound comments for either gender. Often, the circumstances tend to dictate your thoughts. In a spontaneous fight you don't have time to make many decisions so I can see how your friend met her fate. But if there has been time to prearrange the fight, setting place, who attends, any rules, then you should have most things in control. But I have been there so I do understand.
Honestly I think mature woman just know how to hurt a girl, and are pretty good at it... I guess experience matters a lot tbf.
i know this is an old post but curious if you'd share details about the fight between your friend and the older woman? what started it and how exactly did the woman enjoy herself in the pain she inflicted? also, my guess is the enjoyment/motivation comes from the obviousness of ruining what (generally) the world views as a more eligible body so yea, if the table turns in their favor I can see it becoming pretty vicious.
You know my thoughts on this topic, but basically it boils down to several factors....
My initial instinct says the older more mature woman would have an "experience" advantage over a younger less worldly girl....
But obviously things can skew that rationale....
What if the older woman grew up in a very sheltered suburban life and the younger girl grew up in a rougher fashion?
As you wrote above, I believe in many cases but not always the younger girl might have more endurance and simply out last the older woman...
Ultimately I believe it always comes down to viciousness and one's ability to endure more discomfort than her rival however....
Personally I can't think of anything more embarrassing or emotionally traumatic than losing to a younger person who I felt superior to before it began....
Who I saw as a non threat...
A silly "little girl"...
A princess dethroning a queen in a sense....
I don't think I'd ever get over something like that.
I don't understand why you decided that age gives any advantages. If we talk about experience, it does not depend on age, but on the number of fights you participate in. If someone is beaten by a mature woman, it doesn't mean anything. after all, someone, on the contrary, was beaten by a very young girl. It happens too.
Often it depends on type of fight and why.
The location as well
Perhaps we can all agree the following is true:
When it comes to catfighting or any style of personal combat there is not one silver bullet that makes you a good fighter. Someone could in theory have plenty of experience catfighting (let's say ten catfights) but if you say have lost 3/4 of all your catfights...we can hardly say that you're good them, despite plenty of experience can we?
A lot of factors have to be considered and come together to make you a good fighter :)
Xoxo
Kate xx
Quote from: Alexandra X on October 06, 2025, 08:13:09 PM
Quote from: KateA - The Devil In Heels on October 06, 2025, 06:39:33 PM
Perhaps we can all agree the following is true:
When it comes to catfighting or any style of personal combat there is not one silver bullet that makes you a good fighter. Someone could in theory have plenty of experience catfighting (let's say ten catfights) but if you say have lost 3/4 of all your catfights...we can hardly say that you're good them, despite plenty of experience can we?
A lot of factors have to be considered and come together to make you a good fighter :)
Xoxo
Kate xx
No, Kate, that's not it. Negative experience is still experience. And someone who loses three-quarters of their fights is still more experienced than someone who's never fought. And if you fight a lot, even if you lose, at least you will get rid of the fear of fighting, and one day you will win. But sitting and just dreaming will certainly not make you a good fighter.
I'm not arguing that experience is not important, I'm arguing that experience alone does not make you a successful fighter. I look at experience as an ingredient and as every baker will tell you, you can't make a cake with eggs alone (Just don't ask me to bake... I will probably burn the kitchen down).
If I was to make a recipe for a successful fighter, off the top of my head it would go something like this:
Physical fitness / Endurance.
Experience.
Physical attributes (Height, arm reach etc).
Mental toughness (You don't lose it because your hair got pulled or face scratched).
Emotional control (You control your anger, your anger does not control you).
Confidence.
Luck.
Now have I listed all the ingredients needed to bake a successful cake? Maybe...but chances are I've forgotten something ;D
So to summarise just because someone is older, it doesn't mean they have an advantage in a fight. Also let's say a total catfight newbie was facing my example who lost 3/4 of all her catfights. Isn't there an argument that her confidence could perhaps be shot to hell at this point and that all this negative experience could factor against her? I suggest to all that is a very likely possibility, then again maybe she can shrug off that many losses and turn that negative experience into a positive.
So finally I say again there is no one silver bullet that makes you a successful fighter, it's a combination of factors. Some you can control and some you can't.
Xoxo
Kate xx
Quote from: Alexandra X on October 06, 2025, 09:48:27 PM
Quote from: KateA - The Devil In Heels on October 06, 2025, 09:09:01 PM
Quote from: Alexandra X on October 06, 2025, 08:13:09 PM
Quote from: KateA - The Devil In Heels on October 06, 2025, 06:39:33 PM
Perhaps we can all agree the following is true:
When it comes to catfighting or any style of personal combat there is not one silver bullet that makes you a good fighter. Someone could in theory have plenty of experience catfighting (let's say ten catfights) but if you say have lost 3/4 of all your catfights...we can hardly say that you're good them, despite plenty of experience can we?
A lot of factors have to be considered and come together to make you a good fighter :)
Xoxo
Kate xx
No, Kate, that's not it. Negative experience is still experience. And someone who loses three-quarters of their fights is still more experienced than someone who's never fought. And if you fight a lot, even if you lose, at least you will get rid of the fear of fighting, and one day you will win. But sitting and just dreaming will certainly not make you a good fighter.
I'm not arguing that experience is not important, I'm arguing that experience alone does not make you a successful fighter. I look at experience as an ingredient and as every baker will tell you, you can't make a cake with eggs alone (Just don't ask me to bake... I will probably burn the kitchen down).
If I was to make a recipe for a successful fighter, off the top of my head it would go something like this:
Physical fitness / Endurance.
Experience.
Physical attributes (Height, arm reach etc).
Mental toughness (You don't lose it because your hair got pulled or face scratched).
Emotional control (You control your anger, your anger does not control you).
Confidence.
Luck.
Now have I listed all the ingredients needed to bake a successful cake? Maybe...but chances are I've forgotten something ;D
So to summarise just because someone is older, it doesn't mean they have an advantage in a fight. Also let's say a total catfight newbie was facing my example who lost 3/4 of all her catfights. Isn't there an argument that her confidence could perhaps be shot to hell at this point and that all this negative experience could factor against her? I suggest to all that is a very likely possibility, then again maybe she can shrug off that many losses and turn that negative experience into a positive.
So finally I say again there is no one silver bullet that makes you a successful fighter, it's a combination of factors. Some you can control and some you can't.
Xoxo
Kate xx
I think you're getting something mixed up. Just because a girl fights other girls doesn't make her a professional fighter. I've fought bitches just like me, and I haven't always won, but I do have some experience. Maybe you and I could have an epic catfight. But if I decided to fight Natalia Ragozina (world champion in professional boxing in the super middleweight category according to the WIBF, IWBF, WIBA, WBA, WBC, WIBC and GBU. Nickname - "Sledgehammer"), even though she's 49 now, she'll beat me without breaking a sweat.
Sasha,
I never mentioned professional fighters at any point—the attributes I listed are ones that any amateur or ordinary woman can possess. All I did was outline the ingredients I believe make a good fighter, or specifically a catfighter. As I've said repeatedly, there's no silver bullet when it comes to personal combat.
Age is no guarantee of success in a catfight!
Experience is no guarantee of success in a catfight!
These are simply factors and attributes to consider. We could certainly debate which ones are more important. But your pivot to the example of you fighting Natalia Ragozina is, sadly, a case of straw manning my argument.
Xoxo
Kate
Quote from: Alexandra X on October 06, 2025, 11:38:16 PM
Quote from: KateA - The Devil In Heels on October 06, 2025, 11:14:25 PM
Quote from: Alexandra X on October 06, 2025, 09:48:27 PM
Quote from: KateA - The Devil In Heels on October 06, 2025, 09:09:01 PM
Quote from: Alexandra X on October 06, 2025, 08:13:09 PM
Quote from: KateA - The Devil In Heels on October 06, 2025, 06:39:33 PM
Perhaps we can all agree the following is true:
When it comes to catfighting or any style of personal combat there is not one silver bullet that makes you a good fighter. Someone could in theory have plenty of experience catfighting (let's say ten catfights) but if you say have lost 3/4 of all your catfights...we can hardly say that you're good them, despite plenty of experience can we?
A lot of factors have to be considered and come together to make you a good fighter :)
Xoxo
Kate xx
No, Kate, that's not it. Negative experience is still experience. And someone who loses three-quarters of their fights is still more experienced than someone who's never fought. And if you fight a lot, even if you lose, at least you will get rid of the fear of fighting, and one day you will win. But sitting and just dreaming will certainly not make you a good fighter.
I'm not arguing that experience is not important, I'm arguing that experience alone does not make you a successful fighter. I look at experience as an ingredient and as every baker will tell you, you can't make a cake with eggs alone (Just don't ask me to bake... I will probably burn the kitchen down).
If I was to make a recipe for a successful fighter, off the top of my head it would go something like this:
Physical fitness / Endurance.
Experience.
Physical attributes (Height, arm reach etc).
Mental toughness (You don't lose it because your hair got pulled or face scratched).
Emotional control (You control your anger, your anger does not control you).
Confidence.
Luck.
Now have I listed all the ingredients needed to bake a successful cake? Maybe...but chances are I've forgotten something ;D
So to summarise just because someone is older, it doesn't mean they have an advantage in a fight. Also let's say a total catfight newbie was facing my example who lost 3/4 of all her catfights. Isn't there an argument that her confidence could perhaps be shot to hell at this point and that all this negative experience could factor against her? I suggest to all that is a very likely possibility, then again maybe she can shrug off that many losses and turn that negative experience into a positive.
So finally I say again there is no one silver bullet that makes you a successful fighter, it's a combination of factors. Some you can control and some you can't.
Xoxo
Kate xx
I think you're getting something mixed up. Just because a girl fights other girls doesn't make her a professional fighter. I've fought bitches just like me, and I haven't always won, but I do have some experience. Maybe you and I could have an epic catfight. But if I decided to fight Natalia Ragozina (world champion in professional boxing in the super middleweight category according to the WIBF, IWBF, WIBA, WBA, WBC, WIBC and GBU. Nickname - "Sledgehammer"), even though she's 49 now, she'll beat me without breaking a sweat.
Sasha,
I never mentioned professional fighters at any point—the attributes I listed are ones that any amateur or ordinary woman can possess. All I did was outline the ingredients I believe make a good fighter, or specifically a catfighter. As I've said repeatedly, there's no silver bullet when it comes to personal combat.
Age is no guarantee of success in a catfight!
Experience is no guarantee of success in a catfight!
These are simply factors and attributes to consider. We could certainly debate which ones are more important. But your pivot to the example of you fighting Natalia Ragozina is, sadly, a case of straw manning my argument.
Xoxo
Kate
Kate, I'm not going to argue with you because it would be completely off-topic. I can only say that an ordinary woman who has a job, a family, and all sorts of household chores simply doesn't have time to develop strength, endurance, or anything mental or psychological.
And you could have said hello to me
Hi Sasha,
Me not saying hello, sorry that's on me. I'm just rather preoccupied at the moment dealing with forms and lawyers :(
Anyway to get back to the topic at hand, an ordinary woman absolutely can develop these attributes. However will she develop them to that of say an elite sports woman? Probably not, in fact almost certainly not. And she doesn't need too in my opinion :)
However an ordinary woman absolutely can develop the attributes I mentioned. Before a knee injury of mine I was running 5-7km most days, these longer distance runs developed my endurance for sure.
And maybe if one day my knee can be fixed, I might just hit my target of running 10km :)
Xoxo
Kate
Quote from: Broken Valkyrie on August 26, 2024, 10:26:58 PM
Do mature women beat younger women more often? In my experience that statement is true they enjoy beating younger beautiful women like me I have seen it and I have also endured when I was 31yo (currently 34) I got my butt soundly beaten by a 50yo woman and just recently I saw a good friend of mine Becca 27yo get absolutely demolished by a 51yo woman named Marie she took her time and real pleasure in torturing and dismantling my friend it was so brutal my eyes got watery and I had to turn my head because i couldn't bare to see her finishing my friend her sobbing and begging for mercy were haunting enough. So hence my original question
Do mature women beat younger women more often ? And why do they take so much pleasure in beating us and humiliating us ?
You are 34 years old, you consider yourself young and beautiful, but I am 23 years old, so which of us is young and which is mature? If we had a fight and you won, I would start telling everyone that I was beaten by a mature woman. Then you could answer your question, why do they take so much pleasure in beating us and humiliating us?
I actually saw a mature vs young woman fight at a dive bar when I was in college. I was there with a bunch of my girlfriends, when all of a sudden there was a scream. This older woman pulled this younger woman off some guy's lap and started pulling her hair, slapping and punching her. The younger woman fought back, but it was over in under a minute, with the younger woman on the floor crying. We got the story from one of the bartenders afterward. Seems this younger woman was a regular, and enjoyed getting free drinks from men (duh, who doesn't) by flirting with them. Unfortunately, this guy's girlfriend was there and didn't care for that. They were the same size, so the fight should have been more equal, but the anger of the older woman seemed to be the deciding factor. So I think the deciding factor was emotion in this case. It seemed that both women knew how to fight, and the younger woman seemed to be confident, but the anger of the older woman was more than enough to win the fight. Just my opinion.
When I was a schoolgirl, I really wanted to fight with my teacher, but it remained just a dream
Quote from: KateA - The Devil In Heels on October 06, 2025, 09:09:01 PM
Quote from: Alexandra X on October 06, 2025, 08:13:09 PM
Quote from: KateA - The Devil In Heels on October 06, 2025, 06:39:33 PM
Perhaps we can all agree the following is true:
When it comes to catfighting or any style of personal combat there is not one silver bullet that makes you a good fighter. Someone could in theory have plenty of experience catfighting (let's say ten catfights) but if you say have lost 3/4 of all your catfights...we can hardly say that you're good them, despite plenty of experience can we?
A lot of factors have to be considered and come together to make you a good fighter :)
Xoxo
Kate xx
No, Kate, that's not it. Negative experience is still experience. And someone who loses three-quarters of their fights is still more experienced than someone who's never fought. And if you fight a lot, even if you lose, at least you will get rid of the fear of fighting, and one day you will win. But sitting and just dreaming will certainly not make you a good fighter.
I'm not arguing that experience is not important, I'm arguing that experience alone does not make you a successful fighter. I look at experience as an ingredient and as every baker will tell you, you can't make a cake with eggs alone (Just don't ask me to bake... I will probably burn the kitchen down).
If I was to make a recipe for a successful fighter, off the top of my head it would go something like this:
Physical fitness / Endurance.
Experience.
Physical attributes (Height, arm reach etc).
Mental toughness (You don't lose it because your hair got pulled or face scratched).
Emotional control (You control your anger, your anger does not control you).
Confidence.
Luck.
Now have I listed all the ingredients needed to bake a successful cake? Maybe...but chances are I've forgotten something ;D
So to summarise just because someone is older, it doesn't mean they have an advantage in a fight. Also let's say a total catfight newbie was facing my example who lost 3/4 of all her catfights. Isn't there an argument that her confidence could perhaps be shot to hell at this point and that all this negative experience could factor against her? I suggest to all that is a very likely possibility, then again maybe she can shrug off that many losses and turn that negative experience into a positive.
So finally I say again there is no one silver bullet that makes you a successful fighter, it's a combination of factors. Some you can control and some you can't.
Xoxo
Kate xx
Experience that comes with pain teaches a lot