There is a casting call on Suitefights Instagram page for a catfight on December 22nd in Miami ...
Saw it! Hope there are ladies willing to step up for a catfight. $2000+ not a bad payday. Bella Luxx also posted which I find interesting. Helping SF's??
Quote from: pingpong on December 08, 2023, 05:30:58 PM
Saw it! Hope there are ladies willing to step up for a catfight. $2000+ not a bad payday. Bella Luxx also posted which I find interesting. Helping SF's??
Jesus $2000?! Is that what he's paying people now?! Insane money. I saw that fyona put something out Saying she wanted $1000, maybe we will see her fight.
Sounds like a good offer to catfight. Curious if the winner gets a bonus or if certain rules are agreed between the ladies he will over more. For example: slapping, breast/pussy attacks or punches to the body as an incentive.
Quote from: shesfinished on December 09, 2023, 02:56:15 AM
Sounds like a good offer to catfight. Curious if the winner gets a bonus or if certain rules are agreed between the ladies he will over more. For example: slapping, breast/pussy attacks or punches to the body as an incentive.
It said $2000 PLUS, so I imagine that might be plus a winners fee. Suppose that's the kind of fee that you have to offer people these days with how easily you can make money through only fans.
Miss the days when bitchfight uk managed to film over 200 fights and got every day women in for £300
Steve says that he has found the ladies. Now, we wait.
Did not know that. Great news!
Quote from: pinner45 on December 11, 2023, 03:21:14 PM
Steve says that he has found the ladies. Now, we wait.
Where has he said this?
please don't be porn stars, please don't be porn stars, please don't be porn stars.
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Quote from: pingpong on December 08, 2023, 05:30:58 PM
Saw it! Hope there are ladies willing to step up for a catfight. $2000+ not a bad payday. Bella Luxx also posted which I find interesting. Helping SF's??
Jesus $2000?! Is that what he's paying people now?! Insane money. I saw that fyona put something out Saying she wanted $1000, maybe we will see her fight.
It's all well and good wanting that much money, but they should only get paid that as long as they don't phone it in on the day. Otherwise its a disappointment for us and definitely not fair on Steve.
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Saw it! Hope there are ladies willing to step up for a catfight. $2000+ not a bad payday. Bella Luxx also posted which I find interesting. Helping SF's??
Jesus $2000?! Is that what he's paying people now?! Insane money. I saw that fyona put something out Saying she wanted $1000, maybe we will see her fight.
It's all well and good wanting that much money, but they should only get paid that as long as they don't phone it in on the day. Otherwise its a disappointment for us and definitely not fair on Steve.
Very true, the last one with bella gypsy was soooo lazy and phoned in
Yeah, I think we'd all rather Steve put in a smaller up front fee for the girls with a much larger win fee. But the reality is that most women just won't accept that. Especially if they're doing it for the first time.
Quote from: Goodluck on December 11, 2023, 08:36:26 PM
please don't be porn stars, please don't be porn stars, please don't be porn stars.
I am okay with pornstars willing to catfight as many of them are in pretty good condition as their work is demanding. Just want them evenly matched and go all-out.
I inquired about a Florida lady, but Steve said that she wasn't interested. I asked if he had found 2 good participants for the 22nd and he said that he had.
Quote from: brijana on December 12, 2023, 06:35:53 PM
I'm in wait and see mode. Was not a fan of oil wrestling and I feel like we haven't had a good match up since Nikki vs Bella.
Not to criticize SF, but 2 grand is more than SoCal is paying and they actually have fights with head shots. So if you can't find someone to go full out for that kind of money than these women are just messing around to begin with. And yes, Bella Gypsy absolutely phoned it in in her last catfight.
Some of the girls doing Socal are just having clothed fights though. I know some do in lingerie or less but a lot are in what is called essentially gym gear.
There's a big difference between just having a fight and someone doing a completely nude fetish Catfight. You'll find many more women up for just fighting.
Quote from: brijana on December 12, 2023, 06:35:53 PM
I'm in wait and see mode. Was not a fan of oil wrestling and I feel like we haven't had a good match up since Nikki vs Bella.
Not to criticize SF, but 2 grand is more than SoCal is paying and they actually have fights with head shots. So if you can't find someone to go full out for that kind of money than these women are just messing around to begin with. And yes, Bella Gypsy absolutely phoned it in in her last catfight.
I have no idea how much producers pay for these fights, but Socal is mostly street-level, vulgar, unattractive girls from the hood. I like the fights, don't get me wrong, but it makes sense that those girls will fight for less than the girls Steven hires.
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I'm in wait and see mode. Was not a fan of oil wrestling and I feel like we haven't had a good match up since Nikki vs Bella.
Not to criticize SF, but 2 grand is more than SoCal is paying and they actually have fights with head shots. So if you can't find someone to go full out for that kind of money than these women are just messing around to begin with. And yes, Bella Gypsy absolutely phoned it in in her last catfight.
I have no idea how much producers pay for these fights, but Socal is mostly street-level, vulgar, unattractive girls from the hood. I like the fights, don't get me wrong, but it makes sense that those girls will fight for less than the girls Steven hires.
So cal catfights are brutal brawls but are less sexy. The girls are generally out of shape catfish types. Pictures of them vs reality is like 6 beers difference. They wear too much clothing too. How we haven't had a bella vs nikki rematch feels odd and almost criminal. Same with sarah brooke vs nikki darling. What a catfight that could be...
We are going through a catfight drought, As a catfight fan, I check Twitter and I
We are going through a catfight drought as it seems there is nothing set for the near future. SlapCity/Mexican Catfights/Tillytown seems dormant right now. The Bella Luxx vs Nikki Darling match was the last epic catfight, It's a shame that a rematch between these "true" catfighters may never be a realization unless another producer can get them to fight. I agree that if in a catfight, one quits or decides not to continue, her fee shoild be cut significantly and agreed upon prior to the match. A producer is not in the business to lose money or arrange a catfight that is not complete or lacks intensity or enthusiasm and not generate enough revenue to stay in business. Like SF's has indicated, time to cut the BS and if you agree to fight, know what you are getting into. Hoping SF's finds willing ladies to go at it in Maimi later this month. Just my thoughts,
I still cant believe how lazy bella gypsy was last catfight . Shouldn't have been paid
Quote from: Flamingo on December 14, 2023, 01:01:57 AM
I still cant believe how lazy bella gypsy was last catfight . Shouldn't have been paid
A very disappointing performance lacking any intensity and offensive aggressiveness. She :"tapped" out on very weak holds from Nadia. Pussy grab was good but she did not raise the bar any higher.
We are definately in a drought. Mexican catfights really went downhill after santana left. Suitefights should have made bella luxx vs sarah Brooke
I have asked both Sarah and Bella lux if they would do another fight so that average folk without sufficient money could see this. I didn't get an answer which gave me a lot of hope.
Quote from: Gitter73 on December 15, 2023, 03:36:55 PM
I have asked both Sarah and Bella lux if they would do another fight so that average folk without sufficient money could see this. I didn't get an answer which gave me a lot of hope.
Got to find a sponsor/producer.
Quote from: brijana on December 15, 2023, 06:10:47 PM
I think Sarah and Bella Lux are good friends now so I'm not sure how much of a "real catfight" that would be.
I'd rather see Bella Lux fight Bella Ink, same size and I know Bella Ink will go all out. Every real catfight I've seen with her she's feisty as hell.
I have to agree with you that Sarah Brooke and Bella Luxx too friendly for a cafight thus the intensity level in this match would be lacking. On the other hand, Bella Ink vs Bella Luxx is a perfect match. About the same size, both ladies are very fit, have an attitude with loads of confidence. There have been several tweets encouraging the ladies to meet in an all-out catfight. Bella Ink has indicated she is out to kick ass in 2024. Bella Luxx is always looking for a challenge vs someone who will test her. I, for one, think a catfight between these beauties would be a big seller.
If dreams are allowed, I would love to see a rematch between Misty and Jackie Fay. Amazing fight! IMO
Suitefights just posted a potentially interesting poll on Twitter (https://twitter.com/SuiteFights):
"POLL TIME!
If I were to start a @realloyalfans page, would you subscribe for $10/month?
Content would include first peeks at interviews, pics, BTS footage prior to official release. You would also be able to buy the match from my store (Gumroad and C4S stores will remain)."
There's then the option to vote on this.
I think I've said somewhere here in the past, or just had a drunken thought about it in my head sometime, but I think on the surface a consistent financial backing would be very important to ensure the the financial viability/incentive to keep Suitefights going. What Suitefights offers is a premium product that there is unfortunately very few attempting something on that level with the production quality he delivers. If a fight is cancelled last minute or if the fight just happens to be a dud, Suitefights is on the hook for this. Arranging legit models who are complete amateurs for catfighting to pull hair/slap/maul and to do all of the things we love is a helluva undertaking! With the best intentions, millions of things could go wrong, and it's a damn miracle any time we get a "classic" catfight. We won't get any "classics" if there's no producers who are making the fights happen!
While $10 a month isn't much and I'd very likely sign up to support just at that price, I gotta say the "goodies" mentioned in his post as bonuses are a bit underwhelming on the surface as they seemingly are just the things we got for "free" when purchasing via Gumroad (also, none of this is "final," so it could all not even be relevant). I'm not sure if there is a financial incentive for him/us purchasing directly on Loyal Fans, but having all my recently purchased content on the Gumroad app has been pretty outstanding. Maybe there's a potential to offer discount codes for the full releases if someone has been signed up multiple months?
Something that might be somewhat realistic would be "expanded" BTS content. Perhaps the fighters film themselves and give their general thoughts/motivations day(s) before the fight and send some short video clips/pictures as well. That's personally always been a big "draw" seeing more of the fighters personality/motivations to participate in something as wild as a catfight.
So yeah, here's my short unsolicited recommendations that I spent about 5 minutes thinking about: 1) Discount codes for full releases if signed up for X amount of months, 2) Expanded BTS content and 3) A "sanitized" news feed offering up updates or just more behind the scenes information. I say "sanitized" because while 95% of catfight fans are great and respectful, there's always that minority that have to shit things up on social media and harass fighters, and it's already difficult enough making these fights happen!
Anyone else have any REALISTIC ideas for what could potentially be offered as an incentive to sign up?
I would like to See
Man Vs Woman
With suitefights rules
If he put out monthly or weekly catfight content, i would pay.
He needs to turn a profit so he should search for good investors add superfans who want more action to be made.
Quote from: simon on December 18, 2023, 02:57:00 PM
If dreams are allowed, I would love to see a rematch between Misty and Jackie Fay. Amazing fight! IMO
Misty would have the weight advantage and experience now. That rematch should have happen years ago
The monthly fee thing is something that in hindsight we would love to work. However there is a glaring issue with it.
Every other streaming platform of its kind offers access to a content library. I imagine suitefights can't afford to do this, as there would be nothing stopping someone being able to watch their entire library for $10 rather than the hundreds it would most likely cost now.
There would need to be something that would make you sign up.
Ideas could be
Discount for members on all upcoming fights. Either a percentage off or a set fee for the fight. (25% off or 20$ for matches)
Access to older fights past a certain date (2 years or older) again this may not be a great financial play but it may Also work brilliantly. I suppose it depends on what kind of buying figures they get on old videos.
Exclusive content : if they do more of these oil wrestling tournaments. You could keep one match back for subscribers only, wouldn't make much of a difference as they're all sold in one video anyway.
Update - the date has passed from when suitefights said they were looking to film. There has been radio silence on socials and the original insta post has been taken down.
Either he's being cryptic with the right or he was let down once again.
Hope it's the former.
It happened yesterday :)
Quote from: MODELSWRESTLING on December 23, 2023, 06:10:57 PM
It happened yesterday :)
Awsome news!!! Some more details, please ;) At least: what's your source?
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Quote from: MODELSWRESTLING on December 23, 2023, 06:10:57 PM
It happened yesterday :)
Source(s) please.
Awsome news!!! Some more details, please ;) At least: what's your source?
Does anyone knows who the girls are?
Quote from: simon on December 24, 2023, 11:39:07 AM
Does anyone knows who the girls are?
Let's either be patient or fuel the rumor mill :)
There's one famous catfighting personality living in Florida and the SuiteFights match took place in Florida. Putting one and two together, this match marks the return of legendary Sarah Brooke to SuiteFights.
[For all those taking our lovely fetish much too serious: this is just another rumor]
I'm going to guess Eden Sins for the rumour mill.
She operates in that area I think, Steve mentioned someone coming back unexpected a while back and modelswrestling who she has worked for seems to know what's going on.
Fingers crossed!
Quote from: large_head on December 24, 2023, 02:18:28 PM
I'm going to guess Eden Sins for the rumour mill.
She operates in that area I think, Steve mentioned someone coming back unexpected a while back and modelswrestling who she has worked for seems to know what's going on.
Fingers crossed!
Love to Eden come back to SF's. Her vs Vivian Foxx would be sensational.
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I'm going to guess Eden Sins for the rumour mill.
She operates in that area I think, Steve mentioned someone coming back unexpected a while back and modelswrestling who she has worked for seems to know what's going on.
Fingers crossed!
Love to Eden come back to SF's. Her vs Vivian Foxx would be sensational.
You just named the dream match I didn't know I wanted :o I would buy an Eden vs Vivian Foxx oil match in a second! In fact I'd buy Eden in an oil match with ANY girl. SF has done 3 great oil tournaments in a row so I guess they're due for a catfight (unfortunately >:( ) If it is a catfight I'll probably (more than likely) be sitting it out, it really depends on the participants.
No news yet?
I am beginning to believe that no catfight(s) were filmed by Suitefights in Miami on 12/22. We would had some "leak: to confim this by now. If he got some ladies to agree, perhaps a shooting was cancelled or move to another date. Waiting for Nadia White and Bella Luxx to return hopefully soon.
Quote from: pingpong on December 27, 2023, 05:00:37 PM
I am beginning to believe that no catfight(s) were filmed by Suitefights in Miami on 12/22. We would had some "leak: to confim this by now. If he got some ladies to agree, perhaps a shooting was cancelled or move to another date. Waiting for Nadia White and Bella Luxx to return hopefully soon.
Yeah I'm not gonna lie, I'm getting pretty sick of the radio silence by producers. But it literally takes 30 seconds to tweet "fight happened, enjoying Christmas then will release in the next couple weeks"
I am also getting a little tired of the familiar faces and friends and models. I would like to see him hire some tough ladies from bars, etc. who aren't worried about smudging their makeup, or losing a few strands of hair. Two ladies who will go at it with intensity that will be obvious. No more of the vast majority of cf sites for me.
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I am also getting a little tired of the familiar faces and friends and models. I would like to see him hire some tough ladies from bars, etc. who aren't worried about smudging their makeup, or losing a few strands of hair. Two ladies who will go at it with intensity that will be obvious. No more of the vast majority of cf sites for me.
It's a hell of a lot more difficult these days. Go back to Crystal who used to find girls in bars and sell vhs tapes or fights. The chances of that effecting people private lives were next to zero.
Now with how media is shared, it's quite easy for people to have content come across someone that they know in their personal lives. This is going to make it a none starter for 99.9% of people who aren't already in the adult film industry.
You've only got to look at what happened with many people already, sexywife, Jess from suitefights and many more have had major invasion of privacy situations that made them leave the industry.
Also happened to vira which is why she changed her company name, performing name and everything else after disappearing for a while.
Your every day woman doesn't want a video of her fighting naked going round her Facebook friends.
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I am beginning to believe that no catfight(s) were filmed by Suitefights in Miami on 12/22. We would had some "leak: to confim this by now. If he got some ladies to agree, perhaps a shooting was cancelled or move to another date. Waiting for Nadia White and Bella Luxx to return hopefully soon.
I confirm it happened :)
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Quote from: pingpong on December 27, 2023, 05:00:37 PM
I am beginning to believe that no catfight(s) were filmed by Suitefights in Miami on 12/22. We would had some "leak: to confim this by now. If he got some ladies to agree, perhaps a shooting was cancelled or move to another date. Waiting for Nadia White and Bella Luxx to return hopefully soon.
I confirm it happened :)
Just so you know, leaving multiple comments insinuating that you know something we don't know but not elaborating in any way doesn't make you seem cool or mysterious. It makes you seem obnoxious.
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I am beginning to believe that no catfight(s) were filmed by Suitefights in Miami on 12/22. We would had some "leak: to confim this by now. If he got some ladies to agree, perhaps a shooting was cancelled or move to another date. Waiting for Nadia White and Bella Luxx to return hopefully soon.
I confirm it happened :)
Just so you know, leaving multiple comments insinuating that you know something we don't know but not elaborating in any way doesn't make you seem cool or mysterious. It makes you seem obnoxious.
I heard that!
Quote from: pinner45 on December 27, 2023, 06:58:34 PM
I am also getting a little tired of the familiar faces and friends and models. I would like to see him hire some tough ladies from bars, etc. who aren't worried about smudging their makeup, or losing a few strands of hair. Two ladies who will go at it with intensity that will be obvious. No more of the vast majority of cf sites for me.
He needs to go to Manila or Pattaya in Asia and pump out weekly catfight films
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I am beginning to believe that no catfight(s) were filmed by Suitefights in Miami on 12/22. We would had some "leak: to confim this by now. If he got some ladies to agree, perhaps a shooting was cancelled or move to another date. Waiting for Nadia White and Bella Luxx to return hopefully soon.
I confirm it happened :)
Sorry for the misunderstanding.
I know it happened and who fought.
But I am not the producer and cannot share anything.
Just so you know, leaving multiple comments insinuating that you know something we don't know but not elaborating in any way doesn't make you seem cool or mysterious. It makes you seem obnoxious.
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I am beginning to believe that no catfight(s) were filmed by Suitefights in Miami on 12/22. We would had some "leak: to confim this by now. If he got some ladies to agree, perhaps a shooting was cancelled or move to another date. Waiting for Nadia White and Bella Luxx to return hopefully soon.
I confirm it happened :)
MW knows one of the participants.
Long story short, VERY short catfight, good energy from the girls, but not a lot happened. Will probably bundle it with another fight if I ever release it.
ETA: I realize you guys want to see Ziva vs Rina, even though I'm concerned y'all won't like it. I feel like my last few fights pale in comparison to my older matches and I'm struggling to recapture that "mojo", so to speak.
In addition, I got a lot going on outside the business right now, but I intend to make ZvR free (for 24 hours only) once it releases. Thank you for your patience so far.
Happy to have an update. I'll chime in with my almost worthless opinion.
1. It's SF money, he can film as he sees fit, and nothing will please everyone.
2. Nudity. As mentioned, it's a barrier for some/most participants. We can all see the nudity online everywhere and you can see nudity in your own house. You can date these girls pretty easily, or I can, and see them in person, years ago a couple of the girls were on tinder in TX. What is different in a SF video? The competition and flighting. Sure, it is slightly more exciting in or with nudity, but nude females are everywhere and even available in person, a wrestling match, not so easy to come by.
Kind of a bad example, but they go regular girls to play football in lingerie for a national audience, for almost no pay, there's a difference in people's minds as far as will I do this or not.
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I am beginning to believe that no catfight(s) were filmed by Suitefights in Miami on 12/22. We would had some "leak: to confim this by now. If he got some ladies to agree, perhaps a shooting was cancelled or move to another date. Waiting for Nadia White and Bella Luxx to return hopefully soon.
I confirm it happened :)
MW knows one of the participants.
Long story short, VERY short catfight, good energy from the girls, but not a lot happened. Will probably bundle it with another fight if I ever release it.
ETA: I realize you guys want to see Ziva vs Rina, even though I'm concerned y'all won't like it. I feel like my last few fights pale in comparison to my older matches and I'm struggling to recapture that "mojo", so to speak.
In addition, I got a lot going on outside the business right now, but I intend to make ZvR free (for 24 hours only) once it releases. Thank you for your patience so far.
When you say your "last few fights pale in comparison to my older matches " YOU BETTER NOT be including the 2nd and 3rd Oil event's! >:( Those are my favorite videos you've ever produced. The 3 girl video with Sunni, Vivian, and Kylie is definitely in the running to become my FAVORITE female wrestling video of all time and thats coming from a collector with over 1000 catfight/wrestling videos dating back to the 50s.
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Quote from: pingpong on December 27, 2023, 05:00:37 PM
I am beginning to believe that no catfight(s) were filmed by Suitefights in Miami on 12/22. We would had some "leak: to confim this by now. If he got some ladies to agree, perhaps a shooting was cancelled or move to another date. Waiting for Nadia White and Bella Luxx to return hopefully soon.
I confirm it happened :)
MW knows one of the participants.
Long story short, VERY short catfight, good energy from the girls, but not a lot happened. Will probably bundle it with another fight if I ever release it.
ETA: I realize you guys want to see Ziva vs Rina, even though I'm concerned y'all won't like it. I feel like my last few fights pale in comparison to my older matches and I'm struggling to recapture that "mojo", so to speak.
In addition, I got a lot going on outside the business right now, but I intend to make ZvR free (for 24 hours only) once it releases. Thank you for your patience so far.
When you say your "last few fights pale in comparison to my older matches " YOU BETTER NOT be including the 2nd and 3rd Oil event's! >:( Those are my favorite videos you've ever produced. The 3 girl video with Sunni, Vivian, and Kylie is definitely in the running to become my FAVORITE female wrestling video of all time and thats coming from a collector with over 1000 catfight/wrestling videos dating back to the 50s.
I was referring to catfights specifically, but the oil wrestling could be improved by allowing a greater variety of submission holds, IMO.
Saw a Twitter tweet From a catfighting newcomer, Molly Jane. She has challenge Nadia White. Just a suggestion for you to get these ladies for a catfight.
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I am beginning to believe that no catfight(s) were filmed by Suitefights in Miami on 12/22. We would had some "leak: to confim this by now. If he got some ladies to agree, perhaps a shooting was cancelled or move to another date. Waiting for Nadia White and Bella Luxx to return hopefully soon.
I confirm it happened :)
MW knows one of the participants.
Long story short, VERY short catfight, good energy from the girls, but not a lot happened. Will probably bundle it with another fight if I ever release it.
ETA: I realize you guys want to see Ziva vs Rina, even though I'm concerned y'all won't like it. I feel like my last few fights pale in comparison to my older matches and I'm struggling to recapture that "mojo", so to speak.
In addition, I got a lot going on outside the business right now, but I intend to make ZvR free (for 24 hours only) once it releases. Thank you for your patience so far.
When you say your "last few fights pale in comparison to my older matches " YOU BETTER NOT be including the 2nd and 3rd Oil event's! >:( Those are my favorite videos you've ever produced. The 3 girl video with Sunni, Vivian, and Kylie is definitely in the running to become my FAVORITE female wrestling video of all time and thats coming from a collector with over 1000 catfight/wrestling videos dating back to the 50s.
I was referring to catfights specifically, but the oil wrestling could be improved by allowing a greater variety of submission holds, IMO.
In regards to the Oil Wrestling...
I agree depending on what new holds you allow. Joint locks and jujitsu moves could be overwhelming to inexperienced wrestlers and the fights could become to lopsided. IMO... You should/could allow breast mauling then everything would be 100% satisfactory. The current behind the scenes conversation is a lot of the girls nowadays don't like the hairpulling (thats why i didn't include it)so that can be allowed only if all the girls involved agree. Some miss that but me personally I feel the girls usually rely too heavily on that (hairpulling) and that ALWAYS brings the match to a boring stalemate. Thats almost directly the reason why I've grown bored with the real catfights. They've become monotonous. PLEASE don't change the match format under any circumstances. The most submissions in 25min format guarantees an epic battle and with the current rules there's been less injuries and early stoppages so the matches have been going the distance. Plus once fatigue sets in between the girls the struggling has made the matches 10x hotter! IMO ;)
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I am beginning to believe that no catfight(s) were filmed by Suitefights in Miami on 12/22. We would had some "leak: to confim this by now. If he got some ladies to agree, perhaps a shooting was cancelled or move to another date. Waiting for Nadia White and Bella Luxx to return hopefully soon.
I confirm it happened :)
MW knows one of the participants.
Long story short, VERY short catfight, good energy from the girls, but not a lot happened. Will probably bundle it with another fight if I ever release it.
ETA: I realize you guys want to see Ziva vs Rina, even though I'm concerned y'all won't like it. I feel like my last few fights pale in comparison to my older matches and I'm struggling to recapture that "mojo", so to speak.
In addition, I got a lot going on outside the business right now, but I intend to make ZvR free (for 24 hours only) once it releases. Thank you for your patience so far.
Pop it for a 5 or a 10, I'd pay both. You severely underestimate yourself my guy.
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I am beginning to believe that no catfight(s) were filmed by Suitefights in Miami on 12/22. We would had some "leak: to confim this by now. If he got some ladies to agree, perhaps a shooting was cancelled or move to another date. Waiting for Nadia White and Bella Luxx to return hopefully soon.
I confirm it happened :)
MW knows one of the participants.
Long story short, VERY short catfight, good energy from the girls, but not a lot happened. Will probably bundle it with another fight if I ever release it.
ETA: I realize you guys want to see Ziva vs Rina, even though I'm concerned y'all won't like it. I feel like my last few fights pale in comparison to my older matches and I'm struggling to recapture that "mojo", so to speak.
In addition, I got a lot going on outside the business right now, but I intend to make ZvR free (for 24 hours only) once it releases. Thank you for your patience so far.
When you say your "last few fights pale in comparison to my older matches " YOU BETTER NOT be including the 2nd and 3rd Oil event's! >:( Those are my favorite videos you've ever produced. The 3 girl video with Sunni, Vivian, and Kylie is definitely in the running to become my FAVORITE female wrestling video of all time and thats coming from a collector with over 1000 catfight/wrestling videos dating back to the 50s.
I was referring to catfights specifically, but the oil wrestling could be improved by allowing a greater variety of submission holds, IMO.
In regards to the Oil Wrestling...
I agree depending on what new holds you allow. Joint locks and jujitsu moves could be overwhelming to inexperienced wrestlers and the fights could become to lopsided. IMO... You should/could allow breast mauling then everything would be 100% satisfactory. The current behind the scenes conversation is a lot of the girls nowadays don't like the hairpulling (thats why i didn't include it)so that can be allowed only if all the girls involved agree. Some miss that but me personally I feel the girls usually rely too heavily on that (hairpulling) and that ALWAYS brings the match to a boring stalemate. Thats almost directly the reason why I've grown bored with the real catfights. They've become monotonous. PLEASE don't change the match format under any circumstances. The most submissions in 25min format guarantees an epic battle and with the current rules there's been less injuries and early stoppages so the matches have been going the distance. Plus once fatigue sets in between the girls the struggling has made the matches 10x hotter! IMO ;)
This is where personal tastes vary so much in this genre as hairpulling is the best thing about catfights for me.
The oil wrestling just doesn't do it for me at all. I get why it would for others, and get why they're easier to film. But I'll be honest guttee that my favourite Catfight producer has made less catfights for oil wrestling. But that's just my own opinion.
Quote from: jackrr on December 30, 2023, 12:50:02 PM
The oil wrestling just doesn't do it for me at all. I get why it would for others, and get why they're easier to film. But I'll be honest guttee that my favourite Catfight producer has made less catfights for oil wrestling. But that's just my own opinion.
Same with me. It's nice to see the oil wrestling going full length, but I adore the competitiveness of SuiteFight's catfights with hair pulling and tit mauling.
But I love SuiteFights striving for high quality matches and trying to evolve. And in an ideal world, SuiteFights and some models could live from producing catfights and oil wrestling matches and there would be at least two, three similar, regular producers.
Seriously: If we had someone wealthy in our ranks, he/she should create a foundation that supports the production of catfights. Currently, the niche seems to be too small to make enough profit for a company to sustain itself. A foundation with the aim of producing catfights on a regular level, not making any losses in the long term, would already be nice and helpful to produce videos on a regular level.
For me ill always be a big time real catfight fan.Suitefights has done some of my favorite real catfights of all time. And i,m hoping more classics will come from him. As for oil wresting i see why he's added that to the inventory easy to film low cost and now more female availability. Not my thing personally will patiently wait for that real catfight in-between these oil wrestling matches. Like the idea of a wealthy catfight benefactor
Prefer a good old, intense catfight when the ladies are determined.to go all-out for the win. Oil wrestling just does not do it for me and just not exciting. Perhaps better submission tactics could be employed such as tit/pussy grabs would add a little spice to the action. I tend to agree that hairpulling should not be permitted in oil as it would stall the action IMO. Still SF's is the best and I will continue to support their efforts.
At the risk of repeating myself, a quick summary of my desired and not so desired video elements.
Positive: real, intense, hair pulling, sound, looks not that important, sexy clothing, few rules.
Negative: scripted, competitive (no obvious intensity), laughing, friendly talk, holds that are obviously not applied with meaning, opponents who show up sick, fake boob and crotch action (just skip it, or advertise it as "simulated." No Oil.
These represent my preferences and the rest of you may disagree on some.
I think is very difficult to produce catfights now a days. At least with Models that are online and so on ..
If you think about the past, girls were willing to wrestle pull hair for both money and often boyfriend or husband watching, Bob of ECNWC was the master of directing these scenario. Maybe what it will take is a wife, girlfriend, of a couple of fans to ask Steve to produce.
Steve can be selective, like Bob was, and agree to produce with the right ladies for a good scrap.
It's gotta be about what the women get out of it. They want to grow their OF, subscribers, followers, etc... it's a means to an end for them. Having a better quality of production, lighting, makeup, ambiance, will bring more money in the end beyond their pay for the production. It's gotta be tough dealing with "performers" and catering to their egos but a good businessman is also a middle man. Bring them positive views and flattering images/videos and they'll flock to you...
Look at Vixen productions and the lighting they use (darkened rooms, ring lights, etc) it really accentuates the women, now imagine that in an oil wrestling production. Better build-ups, staging, and make-up would probably pay dividends in growing not only the viewership but also the pool of women wanting to get put on that pedestal and try their hands.
Just my thoughts as a fan/nobody that appreciates the producers and models that put on the show!
Good discussion going.
For the hairpulling fans, including myself, it's the #1 thing. Take for instance DWW and their monthly releases, they hold back the hairpulling ones, just releasing a few each time and mention it for sure in the description because it is a seller.
Nikki , Jess, Mira, Alexa Brooke, etc. one of a kind great finds.
Most models/porn stars, they just won't be that into it and will flake and be meh.
Dipping into wives/girlfriends is really the best or bartenders, "actresses" , Mira types that do cosplay, might just do it if they aren't doing a nude thing. Some girl actually like the fighting , but fighting and nudity, that's a hard one. I think East Coast Cats is a good example, a pretty unique range of participants.
I respect Suitefights for only trying to put out the best quality product.
But at the same time I think it should be looked at like a competitive sport. You get a range of different outcomes in boxing/football/basketball whatever, diff is people have paid up front to see them.
You get short matches, long matches, one sided matches, one sided matches where the underdog pulls something out last minute, high scoring highly skilled matches, dour defensive matches and they all hold charm. Some days people just aren't at their best. It doesn't necessarily make you not want to watch them.
Maybe a pricing scale that They can be put up at. Category 1 - if he thinks it is lacklustre or short up to 4- all time classic.
Lexi vs Sarah Brooke was short, glad we didn't miss out on that. Sometimes seeing the lesser fights also illustrates how your favs change and develop as well. Maybe learning high intensity, to more skills or toughness.
But with that I think the community also needs to tone it down a bit. I don't post much on here because their are too many people with outrageous and overly demanding views.
'I've paid $20 and have 2 fav woman (it must be those 2) who must fight for at least x mins, in x outfight with x pussy grabs and y face slaps and x titmauling, and one of them has to cry. And if it doesn't happen it's terrible and I'll whinge incessantly'
It's a competitive endeavour and I don't know if anyone on here has been involved in much of this themselves personally but no one constantly puts out there best. And I mean no one, or otherwise we would have the same winner every time.
There are athletes on multi-million $ contracts that can't hit a ball or make a shot some nights, or are sluggish on others. Or throw strops when things aren't going there way or just perform below their best. Do you think the models doing this on an odd weekend for comparatively peanuts are going to be any diff?
You want an exact outcome. Pay for a custom. Deal with the lack of realness.
Myself the competitive nature and the many different outcomes and the possibilities it brings is what draws me to this. That and the beautiful women that are prepared to do it of course.
Personally I'd be happy to see the 'lesser' fights. Whether at a discount or full price. I'd hate it to be like EWNWC where we know fights we wanted to see happen but they were never released and are now gone forever.
1,000% yes. To repeat as I have before, P grabs and breast mauling isn't realistic and isn't "real" in a sense, no girl who gets into a fight goes to these tactics , hairpulling though, yes. If it's there, in essence, it's scripted or encouraged by a producer.
Yes and no. Even hair pulling doesn't have to happen, it's natural so will most of the time, and I'll enjoy it when it does.
Just accept that each fight will be diff, and if the trailer/stills/description don't float your boat don't buy it.
Each woman/competition is diff. Vira (who I loved) basically replicated whatever attack happened to her. They pulled her hair, she did it back, they kicked her, she did it back, they grabbed her tit, she did it back. Mila on the other hand cycled through attacks till she found a weakness. Usually started by trying to hairpull/toss them around with her strength. If that didn't worked moved on to using hairpulling and her legs to keep her distance, then would try tit grabbing and pussy grabs if required. Like her fight with Tilly, realised she couldn't bully her physically but once she realised she didn't like her tits being grabbed just stuck with it for the rest of the fight, which mean almost no hairpulling. Some probably go in with tactics, others probably let it evolve.
We as spectators should just be a bit more grateful that we have the chance to see it at all for a small fee.
We should just send him to thailand to make catfight films. Talent at the gogo bars would be cheaper, film it at a love motel which can be rented per hour. Get thai vs russian girls catfighting.
Instead we gi months without anything. The occasional promise, then its unreleased. 2023 hasnt been a great year for catfights
Wow, I mentioned how I personally prefer (at this point) Suitefights Oil matches and how I hate excessive hair pulling and this thread blows up Lol! All because I said I hope SF didn't dislike the oil matches they'd been releasing and that I enjoyed them more than the catfights they'd produced particularly the ones over the last couple of years. When it comes to catfights the the qustions that need to be answered(TO ME) are 1 whether the fight was hot or not, and 2 was I entertained. I don't really care about the level of violence or competitiveness (as long as there's some effort given to make it seem competitive) because the fact is we're looking at half naked to fully naked women voluntarily grabbing each other's private parts how serious/legit are we ment to take this? At the end of the day it's all FANTASY folks just based off of the concept of what we define as a catfight the whole thing is a bit ridiculous to begin with. I think some of us take this waaaaay to seriously like it's UFC or some other combat sport. Basically, we're all here to see hot women rolling around with each other and somewhere along the way we've kind of lost track of the basic plot Because some of us are expecting way too much from a bunch of models and adult actresses. Some peoples expectations outpace the reality of the situation.
One thing i will say is it absolutely baffles me that a producer wouldn't release a clip because they don't think it's very good.
One thing this thread has clearly proven is that there are many different views of what people see as a great Catfight.
So for me, it's essentially the producer saying it's not their Vision of good, or not what they wanted, which is kind of the same as what seems to be being said by people in the recent replies.
Slap city have done this many times, he said he had 3 recorded fights that he didn't think "were to his standard" and just said he wouldn't release them, he's also not released his latest fight after saying he would 15 times. The thing with this is those fights could literally be some people's perfect video who prefer untrained timid girls in a real fight setting.
I also feel bad for Steve when he feels like he's had videos that aren't great and sells them for a heavy discount (which is amazing for all of us). When some people will feel like they've got the bargain of a life time.
Quote from: jaybee on December 31, 2023, 08:01:54 AM
Wow, I mentioned how I personally prefer (at this point) Suitefights Oil matches and how I hate excessive hair pulling and this thread blows up Lol! All because I said I hope SF didn't dislike the oil matches they'd been releasing and that I enjoyed them more than the catfights they'd produced particularly the ones over the last couple of years. When it comes to catfights the the qustions that need to be answered(TO ME) are 1 whether the fight was hot or not, and 2 was I entertained. I don't really care about the level of violence or competitiveness (as long as there's some effort given to make it seem competitive) because the fact is we're looking at half naked to fully naked women voluntarily grabbing each other's private parts how serious/legit are we ment to take this? At the end of the day it's all FANTASY folks just based off of the concept of what we define as a catfight the whole thing is a bit ridiculous to begin with. I think some of us take this waaaaay to seriously like it's UFC or some other combat sport. Basically, we're all here to see hot women rolling around with each other and somewhere along the way we've kind of lost track of the basic plot Because some of us are expecting way too much from a bunch of models and adult actresses. Some peoples expectations outpace the reality of the situation.
Don't give yourslef too much credit, it's a good discussion, I commented and didn't even read your post about oil wrestling :)
Quote from: jackrr on December 31, 2023, 12:25:38 PM
One thing i will say is it absolutely baffles me that a producer wouldn't release a clip because they don't think it's very good.
One thing this thread has clearly proven is that there are many different views of what people see as a great Catfight.
So for me, it's essentially the producer saying it's not their Vision of good, or not what they wanted, which is kind of the same as what seems to be being said by people in the recent replies.
Slap city have done this many times, he said he had 3 recorded fights that he didn't think "were to his standard" and just said he wouldn't release them, he's also not released his latest fight after saying he would 15 times. The thing with this is those fights could literally be some people's perfect video who prefer untrained timid girls in a real fight setting.
I also feel bad for Steve when he feels like he's had videos that aren't great and sells them for a heavy discount (which is amazing for all of us). When some people will feel like they've got the bargain of a life time.
The unknown or unseen is always better than reality so to speak, I pretty much trust producers to know what is good or not, releasable or not. Only ECNWC was a little too strict, but he wasn't ever doing it for money or profit, he never broke even.,
Quote from: tr0tz on December 30, 2023, 02:22:14 PM
Seriously: If we had someone wealthy in our ranks, he/she should create a foundation that supports the production of catfights. Currently, the niche seems to be too small to make enough profit for a company to sustain itself. A foundation with the aim of producing catfights on a regular level, not making any losses in the long term, would already be nice and helpful to produce videos on a regular level.
Yep, I think this is one of the main reasons Suitefights has hinted at starting a subscription page on Loyal Fans. While I obviously wish there were a ton of producers filming 4K real catfights with models at the quality he consistently puts out, that simply just isn't happening! It's a niche community that I believe is starving for the type of content he traditionally puts out, and many of us are willing to put additional $ into supporting this if it incentivizes the producer to film more catfights and ease their risks. If this finds some "whales" that are consistently willing to go above and beyond the normal subscription rate to sponsor fights, that's obviously a bonus as well.
Also, you can add me to the list who thinks any catfights that were filmed should be released unless the fight devolved into a "faux" fight or an honest effort wasn't given. We all have different tastes, and hopefully us as community can be mature enough to not hold anything against anyone if an attempt was made with the best intentions and the catfight isn't fake. It also makes the "classics" all the more special. The fights can be offered with any type of warnings/discounts, but I'm sure many of us would be happy to buy.
Here's hoping 2024 is a year full of catfights and fresh new rivalries!
Quote from: Flamingo on December 31, 2023, 02:20:37 AM
We should just send him to thailand to make catfight films. Talent at the gogo bars would be cheaper, film it at a love motel which can be rented per hour. Get thai vs russian girls catfighting.
Instead we gi months without anything. The occasional promise, then its unreleased. 2023 hasnt been a great year for catfights
I'm down with traveling to Thailand and pool money to book Thai Vs Russian catfight! Would love to find a big tough Thai girl to take on the larger Russian girls!
I believe that there are better changes with the "girls next door" type. Bob of ECNWC rely heavily on men introducing wives, girlfriends and friends that were willing to catfight other women, often knowing that it turned their men on. There is nothing more aggressive than women fighting in front of their men.
Just my humble opinion.
Obviously producers know what is best for them ... Jun wanted chime in.
Bob had a formula that was unbeatable.
Quote from: Gitter73 on January 02, 2024, 10:47:50 PM
Bob had a formula that was unbeatable.
Could try, have to start with winner gets $6,000 , other girl $4,000. Not care about making money back too.
The issue is, we do have people with money in the community who have the ability to put on fights. But they are people who either a. Just do it for themselves. Or B. Have a wife / partner that fight for them and they again pay for private sessions and events as they want to keep their privacy (which I get)
You've Only got to look at the recent private VV gathering that I'm sure you've all seen, like 8 couples attended and they also hired Sarah Brooke, gia love and Bella. Sarah and Bella fought it what looks to be a classic but the fight won't be released as they did it just for the people attending. I can only imagine this is because the attendees would be visible in the background of the video.
Catfightphenom also fought Valor in a lingerie / suspenders Catfight.
Quote from: Goodluck on January 04, 2024, 07:47:30 PM
Quote from: Gitter73 on January 02, 2024, 10:47:50 PM
Bob had a formula that was unbeatable.
Could try, have to start with winner gets $6,000 , other girl $4,000. Not care about making money back too.
I honestly don't think money was the ultimate decider during the ECNWC era. From what I've been told over the years, Bob had more calls from husbands who wanted to watch their wives fight than single women trying to make quick money. Plus it was just a different era when you were able to be more discreet. Obviously some women do it because they love it. Chakira who fought Lauren at ECNWC is still active and a top session wrestler now a days. Brooke came back and fought twice at SuiteFights and we all know about Hollie.
Quote from: jackrr on January 05, 2024, 09:35:48 AM
You've Only got to look at the recent private VV gathering that I'm sure you've all seen, like 8 couples attended and they also hired Sarah Brooke, gia love and Bella. Sarah and Bella fought it what looks to be a classic but the fight won't be released as they did it just for the people attending. I can only imagine this is because the attendees would be visible in the background of the video.
There are ways to censor faces in videos, but majority of these private events are meant to be private for a reason. I've seen ads for such events on fetlife, but bringing your wife or partner is required.
Some new Twitter photos up by Suite , mysterious, but the girls are fantastic.
Those girls are hot as hell! Newbies too! Looking forward to this!
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Tag and post a photo of any girls that you would like to see on our mats (either catfighting or oil wrestling).
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SuiteFights tweeted a wishlist for fights. Interesting that he tagged Valentina from MexicanCatfights.
Wishlists? All the wishlists of the world are useless dreams .
SF is on X (twitter) yes . He posts but no vids delivered.
Words words only words.
Quote from: australianplaice on January 24, 2024, 08:47:29 AM
Wishlists? All the wishlists of the world are useless dreams .
SF is on X (twitter) yes . He posts but no vids delivered.
Words words only words.
Agreed. At this point enough talking and lets get some fights on video or at the very least release the fights that have already been recorded.
According to its twitter feed Suitefights is publishing the last 2 fights for $25 together.
Quote from: simon on January 28, 2024, 07:43:19 AM
According to its twitter feed Suitefights is publishing the last 2 fights for $25 together.
That is after they have been released for free for 24 hours.
I'd like to suggest a match between Rina and Jackie Hoff.