I enjoy and love true, non-scripted catfights as I assume many members share the same. However,I have purchased several catfight matches advertised as real, not scripted only to find out they are not all-out confrontations and turn out to be a wrestling match. I am not knocing those who appreciate and enjoy "fake/staged" catfights but take issue with those producers to lure sponsers/buyers into thinking they are real. Any one else have this concern or informed these producers to be truthful?
The catfight industry is so small that pretty much everyone seems to know everyone else, and you don't tend to get jobs if everyone thinks you're an asshole. I imagine it's hard to muster up any real animosity 'fighting' against someone who you also do a whole host of other fetish content with.
Generally, if I see two established women fighting each other, then even if it isn't scripted, I assume it probably isn't going to be a full-blooded catfight. The recent Vika vs Paris match immediately springs to mind, or the recent Regan vs Peyton rematch - both fights were technically unscripted and competitive, but also pretty heat-less and cordial. It is what it is.
This is why I am not buying many vids anymore. No more sponsorships either. There are only 2 or 3 companies which you can count on anymore. The intensity is gone from most matches now. There are exceptions. I happily support those companies.
It's a sad thing, but the truth is we are all misled by false advertising. It's not just limited to videos, from over dramatic movie posters to home appliances . While there are " laws" whose job it is to prevent misleading or false advertising. The fact is unless people hold these advertisers accountable, nothing happens to stop it. The job of these slugs is simply find what consumers want and exploit it. The way they do avoid any sort of prosecution is to use a play on words. Example is " real catfight" technically it's true they have 2 real women, in their opinion in a cat fight or two women being catty . If you were to file a suit for false advertising it will cost you 2-3 times more then the 30-50 dollars you spent and they know that, so they aren't worried about white lies.
APL release everything as real catfights, but know from talking with some of the models that none of their new videos is real competitive. They stopped shooting real matches back in the early 2000's
APL productions are great. Just not enough intensity and real catfighting tactics. They are similar to what DT Wrestling puts out. Super looking ladies I'd love to see tangle in a non-scripted venue.
Unscripted is great but it really does need some balance to it. I think Suitefights put out a tweet talking about how they miss when they first started you could feel the intensity and now when you get two big name models who have a lot wins under their belt it's harder to deal with them and the community really has become settled on decisive wins and humiliation.
I don't mind scripted either but I think we're really missing a good medium. Joan Wise and APL I thought straddled that balance really well early on. Then they sputtered out (Joan wise) or went full DT wrestling (APL). Totally unscripted isn't that great imo SoCal is okay but it's just too visceral for me to fantasy about. You probably could go to like a dirt cheap country and pay two women to go at it and that would probably be the same result.
I think right now we're in a bad lull with producers. You have a lot of their content pirated as soon as it drops which basically incentivized them not to make anything because of a loss of profit. Plus I don't know I feel like there's no hot names right now as we're kinda just meandering at the end of what I like to think is the Sarah Brooke era.
Recently I've turned more into artwork and comics to scratch the itch because it's up to the artist depiction and there's no actual person involved in the actual fight but even then Catfight art that embodies the actual fetish which I think most of us like (barefoot, thongs/nude, pride and stakes on the line) is still far too small...I mean I can find a ton of patreons and deviant art pages but faaaar too many artists draw them fully clothed, or just proportionally insane.
AI has helped me a bit as I'm turning more toward that but even the ethical programming keeps popping up which stinks.
So back to the point at hand...am I sad about producers misleading? Not really because it's fairly easy to spot them from a mile away. Usually if they're adult stars you can guarantee it's not gonna be unscripted match. Mexico and one Uk producer are doing well but they're few and far between at this point.
Like I said I think we're just exiting a peak for Catfight fetish. Need younger models to take the mantle and producers willing and able to put it together but I get it's hard and it's not the easiest thing to shoot. We'll be back again, if that I don't doubt, you'll have some adult cartoon have a scene like (I'm convinced Seth McFarland or one of his writers are into the fetish) or a movie scene with some kind of mud/oil wrestling which will lead someone to do a copycat. So right now; no I don't get mad at them it's not easy right now and most big names are getting older and probably having kids now so they're going to be retired.
Many times, the write up is much better than the actual catfights.
What annoys me is the producer giving a move for move description of the match on clips for sale. The stupid ones even tell the outcome
Many catfights produced by California Wildcats to me were very convincing, almost real like, with great built-up scenarios. Wedding brawl, fighting for husbands, biker vs truck girls, grudge and more. Before I bought them back in the day, I knew they were staged. Boy those catfighting vid days are gone.
Quote from: pingpong on July 29, 2023, 06:05:18 PMI bought them back in the day, I knew they were staged. Boy those catfighting vid days are gone.
I go way back with this interest ... even before VHS which was a step into another dimension. Suddenly you saw these girls in the pics comet life and actually see and hear them wrestling. I believe the romance of it all that we're missing now just comes from progress and technology - the internet - and over saturation due to the it. We used to have to mail in a payment for something we saw on a mailed list that only came about four times a year. The 2-3 week wait was a killer ! Finally that manila envelope appeared in your mailbox and your heart was pounding as you opened your picture set or VHS tape. The anticipation was half of the fun ... Now you hit 'download' and make a sandwich while it's downloading. Couple minutes later you're having lunch while watching a couple girls wrestling.
What bothers me about some producers is their shitty attitude towards their customers ; like deleting posts / reviews of their matches in their forums if it isn't 100% complimentary to them or deleting messages where another producer or girl who isn't in their camp are mentioned - followed by a warning to you about termination your account if it continues.
Some others couldn't be nicer and more appreciative of your business.
I miss the days of Amazons in Action magazines where you got a good idea of a video from honest reviews. You always had to read between the lines of the producers blurbs. Even from good producers (ie Crystal) the end product didnt always match the description. In the producers defence though, they are trying to appeal to the widest possible audience in a niche market that has even smaller niches within it.
Completely agree with the sentiment. I don't think that there needs to be animosity between the contestants or any intent to harm each other beyond what's agreed in the rules. It just needs to be competitive and non-scripted. It can absolutely be both safe and real.
I have to agree with locked about some producers with a thin skin. I criticized a certain producer about a couple of videos which were not very good. I watched the 2 fights live on the internet. They were both total disasters. They were mismatches. One opponent was so sick that she never should have shown up. In the other "fight" one girl was so scared of her opponent that she wanted to quit after 5 minutes. They kept both of these disasters going until they has enough footage to edit these "fights" into something resembling real fights. (Neither one came close). I was blocked, called names, etc by this person. She still won't deal with me today. The truth was not allowed in her business. I am wary of anything which she produces.
You can only be lured into thinking that stuff is 'real' if you haven't been paying attention. For real ights go to Boxing, MMA, Hockey, and Roller Derby. The vid companies are there, of course, to give their customers what the lage majority want and will pay for: boobs, hairpulling, slaps, outfits, rolling around n squealing. Real women really fighting is not provided cuz that is not what the fetish imagines. I mean, guys, c'mon...
Quote from: Bunpbner-man-22 on July 27, 2023, 10:42:38 PM
Unscripted is great but it really does need some balance to it. I think Suitefights put out a tweet talking about how they miss when they first started you could feel the intensity and now when you get two big name models who have a lot wins under their belt it's harder to deal with them and the community really has become settled on decisive wins and humiliation.
I don't mind scripted either but I think we're really missing a good medium. Joan Wise and APL I thought straddled that balance really well early on. Then they sputtered out (Joan wise) or went full DT wrestling (APL). Totally unscripted isn't that great imo SoCal is okay but it's just too visceral for me to fantasy about. You probably could go to like a dirt cheap country and pay two women to go at it and that would probably be the same result.
I think right now we're in a bad lull with producers. You have a lot of their content pirated as soon as it drops which basically incentivized them not to make anything because of a loss of profit. Plus I don't know I feel like there's no hot names right now as we're kinda just meandering at the end of what I like to think is the Sarah Brooke era.
Recently I've turned more into artwork and comics to scratch the itch because it's up to the artist depiction and there's no actual person involved in the actual fight but even then Catfight art that embodies the actual fetish which I think most of us like (barefoot, thongs/nude, pride and stakes on the line) is still far too small...I mean I can find a ton of patreons and deviant art pages but faaaar too many artists draw them fully clothed, or just proportionally insane.
AI has helped me a bit as I'm turning more toward that but even the ethical programming keeps popping up which stinks.
So back to the point at hand...am I sad about producers misleading? Not really because it's fairly easy to spot them from a mile away. Usually if they're adult stars you can guarantee it's not gonna be unscripted match. Mexico and one Uk producer are doing well but they're few and far between at this point.
Like I said I think we're just exiting a peak for Catfight fetish. Need younger models to take the mantle and producers willing and able to put it together but I get it's hard and it's not the easiest thing to shoot. We'll be back again, if that I don't doubt, you'll have some adult cartoon have a scene like (I'm convinced Seth McFarland or one of his writers are into the fetish) or a movie scene with some kind of mud/oil wrestling which will lead someone to do a copycat. So right now; no I don't get mad at them it's not easy right now and most big names are getting older and probably having kids now so they're going to be retired.
Very good writing, I think the homemade videos of wives encounter are the most suited place for intensity, The best videos ever are regular women, young or old going at it in private..nowadays we shouldnt shy away for involving our spouse in the fetish..the great thing in this fetish is no matter the physical aspect of the ladies , good primal action whether it be catfight, wrestling or boxing , intensity and action are the goal..
No video can even touch a private live event with 2 couple, VR video touch that but are still far off..
First I would say the smart thing to do before you spend your money is to check with people here. If nothing else, we all have opinions and we are perhaps too happy to share them. But make sure you ask what kind of video it is. Just because one of us thinks a video is great or is terrible, doesn't mean you will think the same. Make sure what they like is what you like and try to get them to expand on their opinion. You can also check out there for videos from the company. I think so many of the companies are pirated it isn't hard to at least find an associated video from the producer to check out before you buy. I think most of the companies have a certain "style" that they pretty much stick with at least in the short term. For example, California Wildcats had scripted story line, pretty real looking fights, with gorgeous model type women. Some were better, and some were worse. Some had certain themes like titfighting or boxing. But early on, were pretty much all the same. Over time they slowly morphed into a light tug and giggle lesbian competition company, but even then it wasn't like they went from Violent Grudge 3 to Fantasy in Oil overnight. I would suggest to the production companies they make a mistake with mis-leading. We all have our "thing" here. Some want to see all out brawls. Some want carefully scripted tug and giggle matches. They have to know that they can't make a video that appeals to all of us. You are better off saying "This is a totally one sided match" or this is an "All out Brawl" and capturing your share of the target audience than lying about the video and tricking a couple members of the "other camp" into buying your video and letting them badmouth you to your real target market.
Quote from: b3b392 on July 27, 2023, 11:44:42 AM
Generally, if I see two established women fighting each other, then even if it isn't scripted, I assume it probably isn't going to be a full-blooded catfight. The recent Vika vs Paris match immediately springs to mind, or the recent Regan vs Peyton rematch - both fights were technically unscripted and competitive, but also pretty heat-less and cordial. It is what it is.
Spot on! That's why I prefer fights with new unknown girls over established fetish models or session girls. Vika is especially annoying with all her laughing and goofiness. I miss the Lexi, Nikki and Mila type that were all business and ready to fight from start to finish.
Quote from: pinner45 on July 27, 2023, 11:58:16 AM
This is why I am not buying many vids anymore. No more sponsorships either. There are only 2 or 3 companies which you can count on anymore. The intensity is gone from most matches now. There are exceptions. I happily support those companies.
Agreed. I've completely given up on Tilly especially since she'll go the extra mile to get your sponsorship money but if you have a question or an issue afterwards you get zero response back. It is what it is, but like you, I no longer sponsor or buy videos until I see a preview or read the reviews. Only Mexican Catfights, Slapcity and to a certain point SuiteFights (no contests and stoppages are getting tiresome though) have not disappointed me recently.
Quote from: pinner45 on July 30, 2023, 09:36:45 PM
I have to agree with locked about some producers with a thin skin. I criticized a certain producer about a couple of videos which were not very good. I watched the 2 fights live on the internet. They were both total disasters. They were mismatches. One opponent was so sick that she never should have shown up. In the other "fight" one girl was so scared of her opponent that she wanted to quit after 5 minutes. They kept both of these disasters going until they has enough footage to edit these "fights" into something resembling real fights. (Neither one came close). I was blocked, called names, etc by this person. She still won't deal with me today. The truth was not allowed in her business. I am wary of anything which she produces.
I think I might know the second video you're referring to, but what producer? Just to make sure. I'm curious.