My vote is for Misty vs Jackie Fay. Wondering what others think.
Jess vs mira 2 ;D :D
What an Olympic effort and ending
All the videos with Lexi
Nikki vs Mila
Also enjoyed Kat vs Mila which often gets overlooked
Jess vs Mira 2
One long/One short
Jess vs Mira 2 is epic.
Sarah vs Lexi is the best 4 minutes in catfighting.
That is really tough. I can't decide between
Jess vs Mira #2
Bella vs Niki
Jackie Faye vs Misty
All there are really amazing and in different ways.
Quote from: halhow3 on July 04, 2023, 05:05:13 AM
That is really tough. I can't decide between
Jess vs Mira #2
Bella vs Niki
Jackie Faye vs Misty
All there are really amazing and in different ways.
Bella vs nikki is a modern classic. Nikki was bleeding in the mouth and bruised but continued to fight back.
Jess vs mira 2 deserved an oscar. With the anthem playing in the end credits. Best catfight ever made. so violent
Alexa vs Jess
Quote from: Flamingo on July 04, 2023, 05:10:42 AM
Quote from: halhow3 on July 04, 2023, 05:05:13 AM
That is really tough. I can't decide between
Jess vs Mira #2
Bella vs Niki
Jackie Faye vs Misty
All there are really amazing and in different ways.
Bella vs nikki is a modern classic. Nikki was bleeding in the mouth and bruised but continued to fight back.
Jess vs mira 2 deserved an oscar. With the anthem playing in the end credits. Best catfight ever made. so violent
LOL @Jess vs Mira 2 comment.
You're 100% correct with that J v M 2 comment. Actually that fight for me messed up a lot of things. IMO that fight was the gold standard, the Marvel's ENDGAME if you will, the zenith meaning I really can't see me liking another real catfight on that level. There's been some that came extremely close but was just missing a certain something. Jess vs Mira 2 was something special that came about at the perfect time with all the right ingredients to make tge perfect catfight that apparently can never be duplicated. It had a good story, great characters, an extremely likable baby face (good guy) underdog in Mira. It was a picture perfect wrestling angle and would have made one hell of a movie ;D
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Quote from: halhow3 on July 04, 2023, 05:05:13 AM
That is really tough. I can't decide between
Jess vs Mira #2
Bella vs Niki
Jackie Faye vs Misty
All there are really amazing and in different ways.
Bella vs nikki is a modern classic. Nikki was bleeding in the mouth and bruised but continued to fight back.
Jess vs mira 2 deserved an oscar. With the anthem playing in the end credits. Best catfight ever made. so violent
LOL @Jess vs Mira 2 comment.
You're 100% correct with that J v M 2 comment. Actually that fight for me messed up a lot of things. IMO that fight was the gold standard, the Marvel's ENDGAME if you will, the zenith meaning I really can't see me liking another real catfight on that level. There's been some that came extremely close but was just missing a certain something. Jess vs Mira 2 was something special that came about at the perfect time with all the right ingredients to make tge perfect catfight that apparently can never be duplicated. It had a good story, great characters, an extremely likable baby face (good guy) underdog in Mira. It was a picture perfect wrestling angle and would have made one hell of a movie ;D
The fact that suitefights let it continue makes it a winner. Instead of a shitty draw, stopped because it got too violent, he stood back and let them sort it out. The way catfights should be filmed ;D :D ;D
Then ironically, it got deleted from the internet ??? ??? So the textbook masterpiece is no longer available
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Quote from: halhow3 on July 04, 2023, 05:05:13 AM
That is really tough. I can't decide between
Jess vs Mira #2
Bella vs Niki
Jackie Faye vs Misty
All there are really amazing and in different ways.
Bella vs nikki is a modern classic. Nikki was bleeding in the mouth and bruised but continued to fight back.
Jess vs mira 2 deserved an oscar. With the anthem playing in the end credits. Best catfight ever made. so violent
LOL @Jess vs Mira 2 comment.
You're 100% correct with that J v M 2 comment. Actually that fight for me messed up a lot of things. IMO that fight was the gold standard, the Marvel's ENDGAME if you will, the zenith meaning I really can't see me liking another real catfight on that level. There's been some that came extremely close but was just missing a certain something. Jess vs Mira 2 was something special that came about at the perfect time with all the right ingredients to make tge perfect catfight that apparently can never be duplicated. It had a good story, great characters, an extremely likable baby face (good guy) underdog in Mira. It was a picture perfect wrestling angle and would have made one hell of a movie ;D
The fact that suitefights let it continue makes it a winner. Instead of a shitty draw, stopped because it got too violent, he stood back and let them sort it out. The way catfights should be filmed ;D :D ;D
Then ironically, it got deleted from the internet ??? ??? So the textbook masterpiece is no longer available
Another fight that should have been better than it was was the Mila vs Sarah rematch. That had everything it needed to go down as the best catfight ever (the dislike between the two was insane) but while it was pretty good it fell way beneath the mark. The fact that they had them fighting in bras for the first half of the fight was a huge mistake IMO. If I'm remembering correctly they didn't go topless till around the last quarter of the fight ??? It also didn't have a winner and was declared a draw. That fight "may" have been stopped for other reasons unknown to us so I won't criticize that too much. Again it was a pretty good to ok fight NOT as good as the original though. I judge good catfights on replay value and the rematch isn't one I really ever revisit.
Since we are discussing the fights I will make some comments. All remarks are my opinions and guesses completely devoid of even the smallest known facts:
Jess vs Mira 2 - I don't think there was any animosity between the two women in their first match. Jess was bigger, had more experience and so tossed Mira around quite handily. Come match #2. Mira has gotten more experience and has put on some weight making her much closer to Jess in size. I suspect Mira is a naturally competitive person. Jess probably came into the match considering it, "Just another show". Mira was looking to prove herself and perhaps get some "payback". From the start of match #2, Mira came on like a bulldozer. She had Jess down and on her back fairly quickly. From there on it got quite ugly and stayed that way for the rest of the match. By this point, my guess is that Jess was pissed and considered this to be over the top. For Mira, she was content to stay on top and torture Jess until she gave up. Long, exciting, rough match and when things turn at the end they turn FAST and ROUGH. By the time we come to Jess vs Mira 3, Jess knows the score going in. Another pretty nasty catfight but this time BOTH want to prove something from the word GO.
Bella vs Nikki - Bella clearly has some skills and clearly has fought before. I have always thought Nikki has been in a few catfights. Nikki's approach has always been straight forward. Get her hair. Get her on the ground. Get on top. Slap and beat her till she submits. In every video I have seen her in, she approaches it as a FIGHT, not a wrestling match, not a show. This makes her very effective in the Suitefights format. Bella matches her in this and the results are an AMAZING catfight battle. I get no sense the women hate each other but, both approach it as a FIGHT and it shows in the results.
Jackie Faye vs Misty - What makes this catfight so charming is that it is a very girly fight, while being very even and hard fought. I've never seen Jackie Faye in a catfight video before or since, but again she clearly seems to have experience probably from real life. When she and Misty get in reach she GOES for Misty's hair in a very direct, no-nonsense way. Misty seems a little surprised at the start. Once down on the floor, they tangle closely, pull hair nonstop and spend a lot of time exchanging slaps in the clench. In many ways this is the cattiest of the three catfights
Many of the other catfights mentioned in this thread are all Excellent. In regards to Mila vs Sarah I consider the Phat fight better perhaps only because it was first. Both contests were very, very good.
Mila's approach is much like Nikki's. Mila grabs hair. Kicks till they are on the ground then gets on top and beats them. Simple. Direct. Effective.
Sarah is an amazing catfighter, clearly one of the best today. The hardest trick is to find someone who can match her. She isn't that big physically but, she has wrestling skills, is quite strong for her size and has amazing stamina. Years ago my brother-in-law once told me, "The first person to run out of gas in a fight loses." You see this again and again in Sarah's catfights. They start out tossing her around but she wears them down in wrestling grips and finally they are exhausted. Then she owns them. For the best Sarah Brooke fight, Sarah vs Lora is a barn burner.
So just some thoughts from someone who has obsessed over the subject of catfights far too long for my own good.
Happy 4th,
-halhow3
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That is really tough. I can't decide between
Jess vs Mira #2
Bella vs Niki
Jackie Faye vs Misty
All there are really amazing and in different ways.
Bella vs nikki is a modern classic. Nikki was bleeding in the mouth and bruised but continued to fight back.
Jess vs mira 2 deserved an oscar. With the anthem playing in the end credits. Best catfight ever made. so violent
LOL @Jess vs Mira 2 comment.
You're 100% correct with that J v M 2 comment. Actually that fight for me messed up a lot of things. IMO that fight was the gold standard, the Marvel's ENDGAME if you will, the zenith meaning I really can't see me liking another real catfight on that level. There's been some that came extremely close but was just missing a certain something. Jess vs Mira 2 was something special that came about at the perfect time with all the right ingredients to make tge perfect catfight that apparently can never be duplicated. It had a good story, great characters, an extremely likable baby face (good guy) underdog in Mira. It was a picture perfect wrestling angle and would have made one hell of a movie ;D
The fact that suitefights let it continue makes it a winner. Instead of a shitty draw, stopped because it got too violent, he stood back and let them sort it out. The way catfights should be filmed ;D :D ;D
Then ironically, it got deleted from the internet ??? ??? So the textbook masterpiece is no longer available
Another fight that should have been better than it was was the Mila vs Sarah rematch. That had everything it needed to go down as the best catfight ever (the dislike between the two was insane) but while it was pretty good it fell way beneath the mark. The fact that they had them fighting in bras for the first half of the fight was a huge mistake IMO. If I'm remembering correctly they didn't go topless till around the last quarter of the fight ??? It also didn't have a winner and was declared a draw. That fight "may" have been stopped for other reasons unknown to us so I won't criticize that too much. Again it was a pretty good to ok fight NOT as good as the original though. I judge good catfights on replay value and the rematch isn't one I really ever revisit.
Each to their own I suppose, I prefer it when they start in lingerie and them remove clothes bit by bit, as long as it doesn't take too long.
I don't feel like it was the last quarter when it went topless. Great fight and in regards to a winner, we all know who won that fight.
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Quote from: halhow3 on July 04, 2023, 05:05:13 AM
That is really tough. I can't decide between
Jess vs Mira #2
Bella vs Niki
Jackie Faye vs Misty
All there are really amazing and in different ways.
Bella vs nikki is a modern classic. Nikki was bleeding in the mouth and bruised but continued to fight back.
Jess vs mira 2 deserved an oscar. With the anthem playing in the end credits. Best catfight ever made. so violent
LOL @Jess vs Mira 2 comment.
You're 100% correct with that J v M 2 comment. Actually that fight for me messed up a lot of things. IMO that fight was the gold standard, the Marvel's ENDGAME if you will, the zenith meaning I really can't see me liking another real catfight on that level. There's been some that came extremely close but was just missing a certain something. Jess vs Mira 2 was something special that came about at the perfect time with all the right ingredients to make tge perfect catfight that apparently can never be duplicated. It had a good story, great characters, an extremely likable baby face (good guy) underdog in Mira. It was a picture perfect wrestling angle and would have made one hell of a movie ;D
The fact that suitefights let it continue makes it a winner. Instead of a shitty draw, stopped because it got too violent, he stood back and let them sort it out. The way catfights should be filmed ;D :D ;D
Then ironically, it got deleted from the internet ??? ??? So the textbook masterpiece is no longer available
Jess demanded that all her fights had to be taken down after she got destroyed by Alexa and quit
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Quote from: halhow3 on July 04, 2023, 05:05:13 AM
That is really tough. I can't decide between
Jess vs Mira #2
Bella vs Niki
Jackie Faye vs Misty
All there are really amazing and in different ways.
Bella vs nikki is a modern classic. Nikki was bleeding in the mouth and bruised but continued to fight back.
Jess vs mira 2 deserved an oscar. With the anthem playing in the end credits. Best catfight ever made. so violent
LOL @Jess vs Mira 2 comment.
You're 100% correct with that J v M 2 comment. Actually that fight for me messed up a lot of things. IMO that fight was the gold standard, the Marvel's ENDGAME if you will, the zenith meaning I really can't see me liking another real catfight on that level. There's been some that came extremely close but was just missing a certain something. Jess vs Mira 2 was something special that came about at the perfect time with all the right ingredients to make tge perfect catfight that apparently can never be duplicated. It had a good story, great characters, an extremely likable baby face (good guy) underdog in Mira. It was a picture perfect wrestling angle and would have made one hell of a movie ;D
The fact that suitefights let it continue makes it a winner. Instead of a shitty draw, stopped because it got too violent, he stood back and let them sort it out. The way catfights should be filmed ;D :D ;D
Then ironically, it got deleted from the internet ??? ??? So the textbook masterpiece is no longer available
Jess demanded that all her fights had to be taken down after she got destroyed by Alexa and quit
But her stuff from other studios under another name is still availalbe.
Not being able to own jess vs mira 2 should be a crime
SHIT!!
i was all ready to puchase Jess vs Mira 2 but it is no longer on clips 4 sale.
I wish i could see it!
It is interesting to note, bearing in mind that we don't know if the information is correct, that she was able to have the producer take her films down... especially I presume after being paid for it. I know in the case of the company I was involved with, our contract was specific that the film was made for commercial use and it would be posted on an Internet site pay-per-view type thing. We kept copies of drivers licenses, ages, of course signed contracts, and never had a problem with anyone asking for anything to be taken down. It should be noted that suite fights of course has lost income because of this and he is a good guy to do it for whatever reason moved him to do so.
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Alexa vs Jess
Alexa vs Jess had the potential of becoming another Jess vs Mira 2, too bad it was cut short.
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Alexa vs Jess
Alexa vs Jess had the potential of becoming another Jess vs Mira 2, too bad it was cut short.
Yes well it was 'cut short' because Alexa flattened Jess like she was hit by a bus.
They were beautifully matched in size, shape, age, but Alexa is not kidding around when she is hired to catfight.
She brings it hard and fast and Jess was just not prepared to keep up. I do consider this one of Jess's better fights as she does fight back strongly. Definitely a GEM. One cannot complain that 'Steve stopped it again', as I often see here. It went to the Finish.
The Vika/Alexa catfight while short in time was also very intense. In that case it had to be stopped since it was about to stop being a 'rules catfight' and turn into a full on brawl. I know many of us would have enjoyed seeing it but there are liability issues Steve had to consider. He didn't go into business to be sued after all.
Alexa vs Jess though is a very good catfight. One of the Best.
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Alexa vs Jess
Alexa vs Jess had the potential of becoming another Jess vs Mira 2, too bad it was cut short.
Yes well it was 'cut short' because Alexa flattened Jess like she was hit by a bus.
They were beautifully matched in size, shape, age, but Alexa is not kidding around when she is hired to catfight.
She brings it hard and fast and Jess was just not prepared to keep up. I do consider this one of Jess's better fights as she does fight back strongly. Definitely a GEM. One cannot complain that 'Steve stopped it again', as I often see here. It went to the Finish.
The Vika/Alexa catfight while short in time was also very intense. In that case it had to be stopped since it was about to stop being a 'rules catfight' and turn into a full on brawl. I know many of us would have enjoyed seeing it but there are liability issues Steve had to consider. He didn't go into business to be sued after all.
Alexa vs Jess though is a very good catfight. One of the Best.
Alexa vs Jess was amazing, just an all out scrappy Catfight between 2 really hot evenly matched (in size) women, watching what Alexa managed to do to make Jess give must have been something special seeing as Jess had recently gone 40+ mins with Mira
I certainly miss Alexa. She is a force.
Quote from: bayguy on July 13, 2023, 04:54:28 AM
It is interesting to note, bearing in mind that we don't know if the information is correct, that she was able to have the producer take her films down... especially I presume after being paid for it. I know in the case of the company I was involved with, our contract was specific that the film was made for commercial use and it would be posted on an Internet site pay-per-view type thing. We kept copies of drivers licenses, ages, of course signed contracts, and never had a problem with anyone asking for anything to be taken down. It should be noted that suite fights of course has lost income because of this and he is a good guy to do it for whatever reason moved him to do so.
The creators agreed to take videos down after people that Jess knows in her private life found the videos online.
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Alexa vs Jess
Alexa vs Jess had the potential of becoming another Jess vs Mira 2, too bad it was cut short.
Yes well it was 'cut short' because Alexa flattened Jess like she was hit by a bus.
They were beautifully matched in size, shape, age, but Alexa is not kidding around when she is hired to catfight.
She brings it hard and fast and Jess was just not prepared to keep up. I do consider this one of Jess's better fights as she does fight back strongly. Definitely a GEM. One cannot complain that 'Steve stopped it again', as I often see here. It went to the Finish.
The Vika/Alexa catfight while short in time was also very intense. In that case it had to be stopped since it was about to stop being a 'rules catfight' and turn into a full on brawl. I know many of us would have enjoyed seeing it but there are liability issues Steve had to consider. He didn't go into business to be sued after all.
Alexa vs Jess though is a very good catfight. One of the Best.
Alexa vs Jess was amazing, just an all out scrappy Catfight between 2 really hot evenly matched (in size) women, watching what Alexa managed to do to make Jess give must have been something special seeing as Jess had recently gone 40+ mins with Mira
I thought that Jess quit fighting because she lost a good chunk of hair and did not want to continue.
Jess vs Mira(all of them)
Bella Luxx vs Nikki Darling
Mila vs Nikki Darling
To bad the last 2 will not happen again. Both rematches would top the previous ones IMO!
Got Mira vs Jess as #1. Honorabe mention, Charlie Mancini vs Sarah Brooke. Very solid back and forth action with aggression. Nikki Darling vs Bella Luxx/Mila, I agree with the rematch scenario, In their first match, I felt if they were allowed to continue, Nikki would have lost both times. She was gassing out and Mila and Bella would have got the win. I love Nikki and her catfighting style. Would be interesting to see how she would fare in meeting these two again.
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Alexa vs Jess
Alexa vs Jess had the potential of becoming another Jess vs Mira 2, too bad it was cut short.
Yes well it was 'cut short' because Alexa flattened Jess like she was hit by a bus.
They were beautifully matched in size, shape, age, but Alexa is not kidding around when she is hired to catfight.
She brings it hard and fast and Jess was just not prepared to keep up. I do consider this one of Jess's better fights as she does fight back strongly. Definitely a GEM. One cannot complain that 'Steve stopped it again', as I often see here. It went to the Finish.
The Vika/Alexa catfight while short in time was also very intense. In that case it had to be stopped since it was about to stop being a 'rules catfight' and turn into a full on brawl. I know many of us would have enjoyed seeing it but there are liability issues Steve had to consider. He didn't go into business to be sued after all.
Alexa vs Jess though is a very good catfight. One of the Best.
Alexa vs Jess was amazing, just an all out scrappy Catfight between 2 really hot evenly matched (in size) women, watching what Alexa managed to do to make Jess give must have been something special seeing as Jess had recently gone 40+ mins with Mira
I thought that Jess quit fighting because she lost a good chunk of hair and did not want to continue.
Guess she quit catfighting because she was pissed and frustrated after being destroyed in that battle. Alexa later talked about the bitter hostility between them and how it was her most satisfying win fighting that cocky opponent down.
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Alexa vs Jess
Alexa vs Jess had the potential of becoming another Jess vs Mira 2, too bad it was cut short.
Yes well it was 'cut short' because Alexa flattened Jess like she was hit by a bus.
They were beautifully matched in size, shape, age, but Alexa is not kidding around when she is hired to catfight.
She brings it hard and fast and Jess was just not prepared to keep up. I do consider this one of Jess's better fights as she does fight back strongly. Definitely a GEM. One cannot complain that 'Steve stopped it again', as I often see here. It went to the Finish.
The Vika/Alexa catfight while short in time was also very intense. In that case it had to be stopped since it was about to stop being a 'rules catfight' and turn into a full on brawl. I know many of us would have enjoyed seeing it but there are liability issues Steve had to consider. He didn't go into business to be sued after all.
Alexa vs Jess though is a very good catfight. One of the Best.
Alexa vs Jess was amazing, just an all out scrappy Catfight between 2 really hot evenly matched (in size) women, watching what Alexa managed to do to make Jess give must have been something special seeing as Jess had recently gone 40+ mins with Mira
I thought that Jess quit fighting because she lost a good chunk of hair and did not want to continue.
Guess she quit catfighting because she was pissed and frustrated after being destroyed in that battle. Alexa later talked about the bitter hostility between them and how it was her most satisfying win fighting that cocky opponent down.
Is this catfight still available to purchase?
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Alexa vs Jess
Alexa vs Jess had the potential of becoming another Jess vs Mira 2, too bad it was cut short.
Yes well it was 'cut short' because Alexa flattened Jess like she was hit by a bus.
They were beautifully matched in size, shape, age, but Alexa is not kidding around when she is hired to catfight.
She brings it hard and fast and Jess was just not prepared to keep up. I do consider this one of Jess's better fights as she does fight back strongly. Definitely a GEM. One cannot complain that 'Steve stopped it again', as I often see here. It went to the Finish.
The Vika/Alexa catfight while short in time was also very intense. In that case it had to be stopped since it was about to stop being a 'rules catfight' and turn into a full on brawl. I know many of us would have enjoyed seeing it but there are liability issues Steve had to consider. He didn't go into business to be sued after all.
Alexa vs Jess though is a very good catfight. One of the Best.
Alexa vs Jess was amazing, just an all out scrappy Catfight between 2 really hot evenly matched (in size) women, watching what Alexa managed to do to make Jess give must have been something special seeing as Jess had recently gone 40+ mins with Mira
I thought that Jess quit fighting because she lost a good chunk of hair and did not want to continue.
Guess she quit catfighting because she was pissed and frustrated after being destroyed in that battle. Alexa later talked about the bitter hostility between them and how it was her most satisfying win fighting that cocky opponent down.
Is this catfight still available to purchase?
No, Steve removed all of Jess's catfights at her request because someone who knows her in real life recognized her in a video