I've been following the Catfight world online since the late 90's and this site since the early 2000's and have seen fans interested in many different styles of female fighting but over past few years have seen tons of fans start listing cock fights and m vs m catfights on their profiles.
Is it just me or does the thought of 2 women fighting and cock fights not mix? In the past fans of m/m matches and catfight fans didn't mix that much on the web as 2 very different fetish.
For me it's not issue if someone is gay but don't understand how they can get turned on by both women fighting and touching cocks together?
Many of the fans are in their 50's and 60's and note that just got into cock fighting, would you not have known in your 20's that you would be interested in other men's cocks and why go with catfighting fetish if interested in other men?
Do cock fight fans not think it's gay fetish are they in the closet?
Ps. This is not a attack on these fans, just trying to understand it.
I don't know about you but "back in the day" I saw boys fight, and wrestle, (in school and out) and I saw boners. so any guy that tells you he "never" got turned on in a fight, (or watching one in some cases) may not be being completely honest or fears there is a stigma attached to it. Just sayin.
Quote from: billgineric on May 28, 2023, 01:52:11 AM
I don't know about you but "back in the day" I saw boys fight, and wrestle, (in school and out) and I saw boners. so any guy that tells you he "never" got turned on in a fight, (or watching one in some cases) may not be being completely honest or fears there is a stigma attached to it. Just sayin.
This post is not about m vs m wrestling as that has been around as long as the f vs f sites. I'm asking about fans that list a interested in Catfights but also post about cock fights. This might be a cyber thing as I'm checking profiles of people in chat and most of those fans are into cyber fighting. I'm talking more about of the mixing of the 2 fetish fan bases.
Quote from: sinclairfan on May 28, 2023, 06:37:16 AM
It sounds like your question is about MvsM, about which I have nothing to offer.
But on the FvsF side, at least in the mid-1970s, the only neighborhood F's who would actually throw down were the tomboy F's, who by high school turned out to be the gay-/bi- (usually bi- , honestly) F's. This wasn't 100%, but definitely 90-93%. The straight F's would feud with each other and shun each other during and after school, but not actually get physical.
Did they understand what they were doing was blowing off sexual steam? Probably not--they just saw each other as tomboy's and were establishing rank on the totem pole, so to speak.
I call phone sex models on NiteFlrt and ask about Catfights, I always ask about their good looking friends and ask about their fights, most tell me that the sexy women are catty with other good looking women who are going after the same men at bars and school mostly. I love to hear about girls who are from the same town and over the years end up fighting a few times with the last fight being the one with a clear winner and loser not interested in another Re-match. I'm sure the Tomboys get into more fights, but for me love to hear about sexy catfighters. I like Asian vs blonde best so also enjoy hearing about BBW Asian Vs BBW Blonde matches-ups.
I can't represent them. for me
still catfight lover but mixed wrestling taste turned into m vs m
You've posed an interesting question. I don't think there's a simple, one size fits all answer, though.
Speaking only for myself, I've been a f vs f, catfight fan for as long as I can remember, over 60 years. And I'm a straight male. But a few years ago, I found myself being aroused by m to f transgendered women. The thought of two attractive transgendered women engaged in a body to body, breast to breast, and yes, cock to cock, hair pulling catfight is extremely arousing. I can't explain why, it is. I don't get anything out of seeing two men wrestle, but transgendered women fighting is definitely a turn on.
I've been an fcf member for several years now, and I've seen just about everything I could imagine, and a few things I never dreamed of, being brought up in this forum. Some of the interests I don't get. And I'm sure some of the things I find arousing would be a turn off to others. But I think it's a pretty big tent we're all under, and I think there's room for just about everyone.
Just my 2 cents worth, folks.
Speaking only for myself, I think it's a case of adapting to reality and trying to make the best of it. That probably needs some explanation.
I have seen more real life catfights than I could possibly count but what I have always fantasized about is witnessing either an all out woman to woman sex fight or a nude, down and dirty catfight where the women go after each other's breasts and pussies relentlessly. A battle of female sex organs. You know, the stuff Dee loves talking about. My chances of seeing either of these fantasies come true is ridiculously small.
That realization eventually brought me to considering what I maybe could control or experience for myself. I've had fist fights and wrestled when I was younger of course but that just wasn't the same to me. Too normal maybe? I don't know.
That eventually led to the possibility of a cockfight. Since cockfight means an entire galaxy of things around here let me narrow down what I mean. My cock and balls against another man's cock and balls. Slapping, spearing, clubbing, grinding, etc. Hands behind our backs or on shoulders or bear hug. Whatever works but no other body parts involved; just gasps, grunts and pain in our guts from the battle of male sex organs.
I have no idea if I would get sexually excited from this contact or not. Since I have never been attracted to males I don't think so but cocks are sensitive creatures so who knows? If it happens that one of us forces the other to cum I would consider that a valid loss. I have no interest in kissing another man or sucking his cock or penetrating his ass. Not my business if others want to but it isn't me.
I realize that is still a long way from watching women fighting in a similar fashion but it is a contest of sex organs that might possibly happen. Just not my fantasy ideal. Yes, I do know it's kind of polar opposites and sometimes it doesn't make sense to me either but that's as close to an explanation as I can give you.
Quote from: TheRef on May 31, 2023, 03:25:11 PM
Speaking only for myself, I think it's a case of adapting to reality and trying to make the best of it. That probably needs some explanation.
I have seen more real life catfights than I could possibly count but what I have always fantasized about is witnessing either an all out woman to woman sex fight or a nude, down and dirty catfight where the women go after each other's breasts and pussies relentlessly. A battle of female sex organs. You know, the stuff Dee loves talking about. My chances of seeing either of these fantasies come true is ridiculously small.
That realization eventually brought me to considering what I maybe could control or experience for myself. I've had fist fights and wrestled when I was younger of course but that just wasn't the same to me. Too normal maybe? I don't know.
That eventually led to the possibility of a cockfight. Since cockfight means an entire galaxy of things around here let me narrow down what I mean. My cock and balls against another man's cock and balls. Slapping, spearing, clubbing, grinding, etc. Hands behind our backs or on shoulders or bear hug. Whatever works but no other body parts involved; just gasps, grunts and pain in our guts from the battle of male sex organs.
I have no idea if I would get sexually excited from this contact or not. Since I have never been attracted to males I don't think so but cocks are sensitive creatures so who knows? If it happens that one of us forces the other to cum I would consider that a valid loss. I have no interest in kissing another man or sucking his cock or penetrating his ass. Not my business if others want to but it isn't me.
I realize that is still a long way from watching women fighting in a similar fashion but it is a contest of sex organs that might possibly happen. Just not my fantasy ideal. Yes, I do know it's kind of polar opposites and sometimes it doesn't make sense to me either but that's as close to an explanation as I can give you.
Sounds to me like you would fit into the couples match-ups with the idea of compation with f/f and m/m and in your case cock 2 cock. I've always viewed with crowd as Bi with the interested in seeing f/f but also testing themself with m/m match-up and contact. Do you think maybe have supressed your side that is interested in the cock fighting and just now let it come out? Has it lessen your interest in Catfights?
Quote from: wasteland1952 on May 30, 2023, 10:53:46 PM
You've posed an interesting question. I don't think there's a simple, one size fits all answer, though.
Speaking only for myself, I've been a f vs f, catfight fan for as long as I can remember, over 60 years. And I'm a straight male. But a few years ago, I found myself being aroused by m to f transgendered women. The thought of two attractive transgendered women engaged in a body to body, breast to breast, and yes, cock to cock, hair pulling catfight is extremely arousing. I can't explain why, it is. I don't get anything out of seeing two men wrestle, but transgendered women fighting is definitely a turn on.
I've been an fcf member for several years now, and I've seen just about everything I could imagine, and a few things I never dreamed of, being brought up in this forum. Some of the interests I don't get. And I'm sure some of the things I find arousing would be a turn off to others. But I think it's a pretty big tent we're all under, and I think there's room for just about everyone.
Just my 2 cents worth, folks.
Watching fetish videos sometimes leads you into new interested as I'm a Asian Vs Blonde Catfight fan I find myself interested in Asian BBW's Vs Blonde BBW's, I've always been into model type fighters but find myself now getting hard thinking about a large strong asian fighter taking on another big strong blonde. But for me to marry a BBW she would have to be a Catfighter that shared my interest as I'm not attracted to a normal BBW type woman. I still watch catfights from regular size women so don't have to be BBW to get me going. Do you need the match to now to Trans to enjoy or do you still watch you old school video and enjoy?
I would say we have a pretty broad range of interests and special interests. I would say of all the crossover interests, it makes sense that catfights may draw more of a crossover of male vs. male as well. In other words, if you are into seeing catfights or a woman who catfights, it stands to reason that you might be more apt to be interested in MvM than the general population so it would make sense they would come here. Especially if there aren't a lot of MvM chat rooms out there (I have no idea if that is the case, but I haven't heard of any outside of meetfighters.com). And I would say MvM is not necessarily gay. As somebody pointed out, I used to wrestle all the time when I was younger and I am about as Straight as they come. Any more than women that catfight are lesbian. Even if you are arroused by it, still doesn't make you gay/lesbian.
Quote from: LQQKING4CATFIGHTER on May 31, 2023, 08:57:04 PM
Sounds to me like you would fit into the couples match-ups with the idea of compation with f/f and m/m and in your case cock 2 cock. I've always viewed with crowd as Bi with the interested in seeing f/f but also testing themself with m/m match-up and contact. Do you think maybe have supressed your side that is interested in the cock fighting and just now let it come out? Has it lessen your interest in Catfights?
You can view it however you want but no I don't think that after 60+ years I'm secretly bi. It has most definitely not lessened my interest in pretty much any kind of physical competition between women.
Quote from: TheRef on May 31, 2023, 10:16:20 PM
Quote from: LQQKING4CATFIGHTER on May 31, 2023, 08:57:04 PM
Sounds to me like you would fit into the couples match-ups with the idea of compation with f/f and m/m and in your case cock 2 cock. I've always viewed with crowd as Bi with the interested in seeing f/f but also testing themself with m/m match-up and contact. Do you think maybe have supressed your side that is interested in the cock fighting and just now let it come out? Has it lessen your interest in Catfights?
You can view it however you want but no I don't think that after 60+ years I'm secretly bi. It has most definitely not lessened my interest in pretty much any kind of physical competition between women.
Think of it this way, younger you in the 90's gets a VHS tape from another older Catfight fan and in the video is also cock fighting matches. For me back in the 90's would have labeled cock fighting as gay porn and would read about it on M/M wrestling sites, I only know this because those sites would also post Mixed wrestling reviews about session wrestlers I liked. I never came across cock fighting on Catfight boards till about 10 years ago started to see it on this site with fans that like catfights and also cyber fighting. Now I see it a lot more on this site and just wonder why the shift in the fan base?
Straight male here and the exact type of person you're looking for to answer this question it seems.
I've been a catfight fan my entire adult life to the point where I'm pretty much not interested in much else sexually (at least comparatively). I'm one of those people that feels almost physically weirded out by seeing gay activity and so I hadn't given MvM "catfights" a serious consideration until a few years ago when I happened across a particular nude wrestling picture between to males. At the time I was still pretty turned-off by it but I felt like due to the fighting there was something there. From that point on I basically started trained myself to be less turned-off by the gay activities (trying to ignore it whenever possible) and just focused on the fighting. Quite often there are moments during the video where it goes entirely gay and I have to try to turn it off before it gets to that point (even now) or it does ruin the experience for me.
I think this worked for me in particular because my brand of fetish is always around attacking privates rather than anything sensual. In fact, the less sensual the better for me, that includes FvF. I also find anything paritcularly violent hard to look at, so "babesfight" is always a bit of a double-edged sword. Suitefights is incredible most of the time.
Finally after years I did manage to find a series of MvM compilation videos that I can actually watch and thoroughly enjoy. They are exceedingly rare, but due to the fact that they're a compilation of attacks to privates it's right up my alley. Funny enough I have to watch them with the sound off because I hate the sound they make. On the contrary, with FvF videos generally the sound adds to the experience quite a bit. BTW, the MvM compilation videos you can find on thisvid.com and you can find them if you search for "easy way to win a fight".
Quote from: Abacust on June 01, 2023, 10:38:35 PM
Straight male here and the exact type of person you're looking for to answer this question it seems.
I've been a catfight fan my entire adult life to the point where I'm pretty much not interested in much else sexually (at least comparatively). I'm one of those people that feels almost physically weirded out by seeing gay activity and so I hadn't given MvM "catfights" a serious consideration until a few years ago when I happened across a particular nude wrestling picture between to males. At the time I was still pretty turned-off by it but I felt like due to the fighting there was something there. From that point on I basically started trained myself to be less turned-off by the gay activities (trying to ignore it whenever possible) and just focused on the fighting. Quite often there are moments during the video where it goes entirely gay and I have to try to turn it off before it gets to that point (even now) or it does ruin the experience for me.
I think this worked for me in particular because my brand of fetish is always around attacking privates rather than anything sensual. In fact, the less sensual the better for me, that includes FvF. I also find anything paritcularly violent hard to look at, so "babesfight" is always a bit of a double-edged sword. Suitefights is incredible most of the time.
Finally after years I did manage to find a series of MvM compilation videos that I can actually watch and thoroughly enjoy. They are exceedingly rare, but due to the fact that they're a compilation of attacks to privates it's right up my alley. Funny enough I have to watch them with the sound off because I hate the sound they make. On the contrary, with FvF videos generally the sound adds to the experience quite a bit. BTW, the MvM compilation videos you can find on thisvid.com and you can find them if you search for "easy way to win a fight".
What made you train yourself to watch m/m matches? Sounds like you were searching the m/m matches for parts with attacking privates and the act itself is the turn on and not if by male or female models. Sounds like your fetish has become super focused and hard to find new videos with what your looking for so being able to now watch m/m matches has opened up much more videos that turn you on now, My focus is Asian Vs Blonde matches but have not gone into m/m matches, instead I watch Boxing, MMA, Wrestling, Catfight, Muay Thai, Sumo, BBJ matches. I can still enjoy a good Latina Vs Blonde matches-up but search out the Asian match-ups more often,
Yep, that's exactly it. It was an unexplored avenue. There really isn't much material out there that I can appreciate but I'll keep an eye out since it's worth the trouble when I eventually hit gold.
You have a raised a VERY interesting question here; one that IMO has several, subtle yet complex possibilities attached.
First, I would suggest that there is a "bi" element associated with a male who engages in, or gets turned on by a "cockfight." I don't find that inconsistent with that same guy getting aroused by witnessing two women wrestle or catfight. Seems perfectly logical to me.
Second, I believe that there is likely a "bi" germ in everyone of us -- EVERYONE. Either it grows or it doesn't, and "why" is a matter for an entirely different discussion.
Lastly, I could understand that watching a cockfight might be a turn-on for some women. I recall that the iconic Barb once shared her ultimate sexual fantasy with her followers. It involved two strong, young men wrestling for the right to be with her. Both competitors were nude and both were erect while wrestling. I can imagine that in the mind of some women, watching this kind of spectacle and anticipating that "I'm going to own one of those very soon" would be an immense turn on. Personally, I like that kind of thinking. Heck, if my wife ever told me that she'd love to see me engage in any kind of similar activity, I would have done it in a New York minute.
Anyway that's my take. Thanks for reading.
Quote from: Bear on June 04, 2023, 02:59:59 AM
You have a raised a VERY interesting question here; one that IMO has several, subtle yet complex possibilities attached.
First, I would suggest that there is a "bi" element associated with a male who engages in, or gets turned on by a "cockfight." I don't find that inconsistent with that same guy getting aroused by witnessing two women wrestle or catfight. Seems perfectly logical to me.
It's definitely pretty complicated for me. I'm incredibly turned off by male-male intamacy, to the point where I involuntarily shudder at the sight of it. It's not dissimilar to being grossed out about anything you find inherently repulsive (name your thing). Over time I've become less reactive to it (again, this is completely involuntary) from gradual desensitization, but even now I still definitly feel the repulsion when I see gay videos.
Now, if you've read my previous comment about how I can enjoy cockfights as long as there is no gay intimacy and nothing sensual about it, would you still consider this to be a bi element? I would argue that it doesn't really fit because I feel repulsed by it. I've also had gay friends in the past, I'm not a homophobe at all, but I think I just have what any straight individual has, which is a natural feeling of repulsion of the same sex when it comes to sex.
Keep an open mind on any style from anyone else's view on it, also don't confuse sexual arousal from adrenaline arousal , it's a very fine line but if you really look at some of the more realistic clips every woman has nipples so stiff they tent bra cups and tops as if not wearing a bra, but it's not sexual it's all adrenalin , so I am certain for the gentleman here knowing a fights coming they get aroused via adrenaline not touching cocks , it's the fight not the touch
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Now, if you've read my previous comment about how I can enjoy cockfights as long as there is no gay intimacy and nothing sensual about it, would you still consider this to be a bi element?
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I'm not sure what I'd call this, Ab. Maybe I need to check it out myself, but like you I find gay intimacy repulsive -- particularly between males. I can tolerate it -- after all I live in the San Francisco Bay Area, have gay friends, etc. Also I think DottiD makes a good point in distinguishing between an adrenaline rush and sexual arousal.
So, I'm going to pass for now.
Quote from: Bear on June 07, 2023, 08:02:07 PM
I'm not sure what I'd call this, Ab. Maybe I need to check it out myself, but like you I find gay intimacy repulsive -- particularly between males. I can tolerate it -- after all I live in the San Francisco Bay Area, have gay friends, etc. Also I think DottiD makes a good point in distinguishing between an adrenaline rush and sexual arousal.
So, I'm going to pass for now.
haha i hear ya. To be honest it's incredibly difficult to find material that I don't find repulsive. NakedKombat has a few moments but they always go full gay half way through, and most of the time the fighting isn't particularly interesting anyway. Even if you just look for stories, everyone has their own versions of the kink so 90% just don't work for me at all. If you think about it though, catfight material isn't that far off either though. The fake stuff, the playful stuff, the scripted stuff, the niche stuff, they are usually no good for me anyway. It's always about finding that unicorn.
Quote from: Abacust on June 04, 2023, 04:31:56 AM
Quote from: Bear on June 04, 2023, 02:59:59 AM
You have a raised a VERY interesting question here; one that IMO has several, subtle yet complex possibilities attached.
First, I would suggest that there is a "bi" element associated with a male who engages in, or gets turned on by a "cockfight." I don't find that inconsistent with that same guy getting aroused by witnessing two women wrestle or catfight. Seems perfectly logical to me.
It's definitely pretty complicated for me. I'm incredibly turned off by male-male intamacy, to the point where I involuntarily shudder at the sight of it. It's not dissimilar to being grossed out about anything you find inherently repulsive (name your thing). Over time I've become less reactive to it (again, this is completely involuntary) from gradual desensitization, but even now I still definitly feel the repulsion when I see gay videos.
Now, if you've read my previous comment about how I can enjoy cockfights as long as there is no gay intimacy and nothing sensual about it, would you still consider this to be a bi element? I would argue that it doesn't really fit because I feel repulsed by it. I've also had gay friends in the past, I'm not a homophobe at all, but I think I just have what any straight individual has, which is a natural feeling of repulsion of the same sex when it comes to sex.
I might not fully understand what cock fighting is? Is it not 2 men with hard on touching dicks? I would say if you can keep a hard on when touching dicks with another man is that not gay intimacy?
As for the adrenaline arousal, I watch men's boxing and mma for the sport and never got a hard on like when I watch female boxing and mma.
I involuntarily shudder when about to watch a video that I have been waiting to watch, that is not being repulsed but is excitement, also when repression of thoughts over the years can cause repulsion when watching something that you have been taught to hate and now being exposed to it. Have a few question.
1) Would you compete in a cock fight yourself or do you just watch videos?
2) What made you sit down and watch your first cock fight video and not turning it off right away?
This is a great thread -- thanks for posting on this @ LQQKING4CATFIGHTER
I really like this thread as it gets to a issue that I've had with these topics for some time. I have always been into catfights, especially titfights and cockfights. But as I have read more and talked to more people I realize that we do not have common definitions, and in fact, different people using exactly the same word mean very different, sometimes opposite meanings. That's certainly true of the word cockfight.
I would never tell anyone that they are wrong with their definition and language is ever changing. So the "argument" as to what something means becomes a little tired for me.
For myself, I find it really valuable to get away from the label and focus on the desires of those participating. Let's assume you find catfights sexually stimulating. You find someone else who says she is "into catfights". Is it right to assume that other person is also sexually excited by catfights? Is it right to assume that women who catfight are lesbian or bi?
Assuming you do find catfighting sexually exciting, are you equally excited by
- two impoverished women fighting for the last scrap hit of a drug they are addicted to,
- two slave girls made to fight by an evil overlord
- two women who are competing to win the affection of a man they both want
- two lesbian women who want to test their bodies against each other in a consensual contest for dominance.
Maybe you find all these sexually exciting, but it is my opinion that two women coerced into fighting is not sexy at all. That is, I think, the desires of the two combatants is so important. The topic here is "Gay Catfight Fans", and I would suggest that trying to bind desire for sexual contests and sexual orientation is difficult and perhaps fruitless. Myself, I don't think it exists.
As for cockfighting, I would start with WHY the two men want to compete in an activity they both call a cockfight. And what do they mean when they say they want to cockfight? Are they fighting with swords on horses? Are they wrestling naked? Are they using their cocks to try to hurt the other man's genitals?
Two gay men can just have fun, touching either other's cocks, and call that a cockfight. I would call that a euphemism and not a literal definition, but still wouldn't argue those men are wrong.
Two gay men can compete for dominance and in some way use their cocks (naked wrestling, actually cock to cock fighting or some other way), and call that a cockfight. I wouldn't call that use of the word cockfight a euphemism and respect that definition.
Two straight men who want to emasculate the other man, by aggressive/violent cock to cock impacts, because they both want a desired woman (they both want to fuck) see his own cock destroy the other man's cock, is also cockfight. I suppose people can try to label that as gay, but then the definition of gay would have to include the notion of two men who want to have sex with a woman, and who do not want to have sex with men, and want to hurt the other man's genitals. That would be a stretch of the word "gay" in my opinion. Perhaps it is not culturally or technically "heterosexual" but I stop being interested in labels at this point.
And I'm sure there are dozens of other scenarios of bisexual cockfights, transexual cockfights and on and on, which are completely legitimate uses of the word cockfight.
We like to have simple single words and phrases to get at what we like. But for me, increasingly, I'm less interested in trying to pin down definitions of words to say a cockfight is gay or not, I like to quickly ask WHY and what the desires and motivations of the actors are.
Quote from: LQQKING4CATFIGHTER on June 08, 2023, 04:26:04 PM
Quote from: Abacust on June 04, 2023, 04:31:56 AM
Quote from: Bear on June 04, 2023, 02:59:59 AM
You have a raised a VERY interesting question here; one that IMO has several, subtle yet complex possibilities attached.
First, I would suggest that there is a "bi" element associated with a male who engages in, or gets turned on by a "cockfight." I don't find that inconsistent with that same guy getting aroused by witnessing two women wrestle or catfight. Seems perfectly logical to me.
It's definitely pretty complicated for me. I'm incredibly turned off by male-male intamacy, to the point where I involuntarily shudder at the sight of it. It's not dissimilar to being grossed out about anything you find inherently repulsive (name your thing). Over time I've become less reactive to it (again, this is completely involuntary) from gradual desensitization, but even now I still definitly feel the repulsion when I see gay videos.
Now, if you've read my previous comment about how I can enjoy cockfights as long as there is no gay intimacy and nothing sensual about it, would you still consider this to be a bi element? I would argue that it doesn't really fit because I feel repulsed by it. I've also had gay friends in the past, I'm not a homophobe at all, but I think I just have what any straight individual has, which is a natural feeling of repulsion of the same sex when it comes to sex.
I might not fully understand what cock fighting is? Is it not 2 men with hard on touching dicks? I would say if you can keep a hard on when touching dicks with another man is that not gay intimacy?
As for the adrenaline arousal, I watch men's boxing and mma for the sport and never got a hard on like when I watch female boxing and mma.
I involuntarily shudder when about to watch a video that I have been waiting to watch, that is not being repulsed but is excitement, also when repression of thoughts over the years can cause repulsion when watching something that you have been taught to hate and now being exposed to it. Have a few question.
1) Would you compete in a cock fight yourself or do you just watch videos?
2) What made you sit down and watch your first cock fight video and not turning it off right away?
See my last post.
In reverse order
2) I've never seen a cock fight video as I define it. I've seen several little video clips and most I have turned off as the desires of the two cockfighters were not really aligned with what I want.
1) I have done a few cockfights over the years. Typically, these have involved a couple (male & female) who wanted to bring me in for a sexual fantasy where I compete against the other man to win the woman. For some, the man had a cuckold fantasy (I think). Once I showed up for a cockfight, thinking it would be a cock to cock battle where each man tried to use his cock to hurt the other man's cock &/or balls to win a woman, and the other guy showed up in spandex thinking we would wrestle in some sexual way. And he had no interest in women. Needless to say that didn't work because we didn't agree before hand on what a cockfight was.
@LQQKING4CATFIGHTER -- maybe make a poll out of your questions?
Quote from: rich.is.harder on July 19, 2023, 12:14:14 AM
This is a great thread -- thanks for posting on this @ LQQKING4CATFIGHTER
I really like this thread as it gets to a issue that I've had with these topics for some time. I have always been into catfights, especially titfights and cockfights. But as I have read more and talked to more people I realize that we do not have common definitions, and in fact, different people using exactly the same word mean very different, sometimes opposite meanings. That's certainly true of the word cockfight.
I would never tell anyone that they are wrong with their definition and language is ever changing. So the "argument" as to what something means becomes a little tired for me.
For myself, I find it really valuable to get away from the label and focus on the desires of those participating. Let's assume you find catfights sexually stimulating. You find someone else who says she is "into catfights". Is it right to assume that other person is also sexually excited by catfights? Is it right to assume that women who catfight are lesbian or bi?
Assuming you do find catfighting sexually exciting, are you equally excited by
- two impoverished women fighting for the last scrap hit of a drug they are addicted to,
- two slave girls made to fight by an evil overlord
- two women who are competing to win the affection of a man they both want
- two lesbian women who want to test their bodies against each other in a consensual contest for dominance.
Maybe you find all these sexually exciting, but it is my opinion that two women coerced into fighting is not sexy at all. That is, I think, the desires of the two combatants is so important. The topic here is "Gay Catfight Fans", and I would suggest that trying to bind desire for sexual contests and sexual orientation is difficult and perhaps fruitless. Myself, I don't think it exists.
As for cockfighting, I would start with WHY the two men want to compete in an activity they both call a cockfight. And what do they mean when they say they want to cockfight? Are they fighting with swords on horses? Are they wrestling naked? Are they using their cocks to try to hurt the other man's genitals?
Two gay men can just have fun, touching either other's cocks, and call that a cockfight. I would call that a euphemism and not a literal definition, but still wouldn't argue those men are wrong.
Two gay men can compete for dominance and in some way use their cocks (naked wrestling, actually cock to cock fighting or some other way), and call that a cockfight. I wouldn't call that use of the word cockfight a euphemism and respect that definition.
Two straight men who want to emasculate the other man, by aggressive/violent cock to cock impacts, because they both want a desired woman (they both want to fuck) see his own cock destroy the other man's cock, is also cockfight. I suppose people can try to label that as gay, but then the definition of gay would have to include the notion of two men who want to have sex with a woman, and who do not want to have sex with men, and want to hurt the other man's genitals. That would be a stretch of the word "gay" in my opinion. Perhaps it is not culturally or technically "heterosexual" but I stop being interested in labels at this point.
And I'm sure there are dozens of other scenarios of bisexual cockfights, transexual cockfights and on and on, which are completely legitimate uses of the word cockfight.
We like to have simple single words and phrases to get at what we like. But for me, increasingly, I'm less interested in trying to pin down definitions of words to say a cockfight is gay or not, I like to quickly ask WHY and what the desires and motivations of the actors are.
Women into Catfighting might be into the sport aspect of it and doesn't have to be into the sexual side of the match. I know fighters like Mutiny are into sexual side but other fighters like Antscha are more into being the best at a fighting sport. I think a better comparison would be women into crotch fighting with the fighters rubbing pussies together like in the European Trib fights are more like cock fighting then catfights.
Quote from: LQQKING4CATFIGHTER on June 08, 2023, 04:26:04 PM
I might not fully understand what cock fighting is? Is it not 2 men with hard on touching dicks? I would say if you can keep a hard on when touching dicks with another man is that not gay intimacy?
As for the adrenaline arousal, I watch men's boxing and mma for the sport and never got a hard on like when I watch female boxing and mma.
I involuntarily shudder when about to watch a video that I have been waiting to watch, that is not being repulsed but is excitement, also when repression of thoughts over the years can cause repulsion when watching something that you have been taught to hate and now being exposed to it. Have a few question.
1) Would you compete in a cock fight yourself or do you just watch videos?
2) What made you sit down and watch your first cock fight video and not turning it off right away?
1) I think there is a scenario where I would participate, like if my wife was interested in something like this I could do it for her. For me it's just important that there is nothing sensual about it. No kissing, no intimacy, and any touch is to try to inflict pain on the other (or to fake it for an audience).
2) There was a single image that I came across one day of 2 guys fighting nude. One of them was on his back and the other was straddling the guy, but the guy on the bottom had the top guy's dick/balls and was pulling on them, presumably to get free. That's when I thought I might be able to appreciate this if I could find more like that, and I did find some!
Quote from: LQQKING4CATFIGHTER on May 27, 2023, 02:53:21 PM
I've been following the Catfight world online since the late 90's and this site since the early 2000's and have seen fans interested in many different styles of female fighting but over past few years have seen tons of fans start listing cock fights and m vs m catfights on their profiles.
Is it just me or does the thought of 2 women fighting and cock fights not mix? In the past fans of m/m matches and catfight fans didn't mix that much on the web as 2 very different fetish.
For me it's not issue if someone is gay but don't understand how they can get turned on by both women fighting and touching cocks together?
Many of the fans are in their 50's and 60's and note that just got into cock fighting, would you not have known in your 20's that you would be interested in other men's cocks and why go with catfighting fetish if interested in other men?
Do cock fight fans not think it's gay fetish are they in the closet?
Ps. This is not a attack on these fans, just trying to understand it.
To me, as a heterosexual, married man, catfighting and cockfighting are different, unmixable concepts. I have loved women's wrestling since childhood, I like to watch two beautiful and strong women fighting and wrestling. It excites me. I also like to fight with such women. In training, I fight a lot with both men and women, but in a fight with a man, we get the pleasure of fighting, in which you try to outplay your opponent in strength, endurance and technique. And I can't imagine me or him getting a dick up. Contact with a man's naked torso does not turn me on.Another thing is when a normal or bisexual woman watches two naked men wrestling. Of course she is turned on by the sight of two strong men with erect penises. Of course she is pleased to grab the dick and take the winner away. The same goes for homo or bisexual men. My opinion.
Quote from: TheRef on May 31, 2023, 03:25:11 PM
Speaking only for myself, I think it's a case of adapting to reality and trying to make the best of it. That probably needs some explanation.
I have seen more real life catfights than I could possibly count but what I have always fantasized about is witnessing either an all out woman to woman sex fight or a nude, down and dirty catfight where the women go after each other's breasts and pussies relentlessly. A battle of female sex organs. You know, the stuff Dee loves talking about. My chances of seeing either of these fantasies come true is ridiculously small.
That realization eventually brought me to considering what I maybe could control or experience for myself. I've had fist fights and wrestled when I was younger of course but that just wasn't the same to me. Too normal maybe? I don't know.
That eventually led to the possibility of a cockfight. Since cockfight means an entire galaxy of things around here let me narrow down what I mean. My cock and balls against another man's cock and balls. Slapping, spearing, clubbing, grinding, etc. Hands behind our backs or on shoulders or bear hug. Whatever works but no other body parts involved; just gasps, grunts and pain in our guts from the battle of male sex organs.
I have no idea if I would get sexually excited from this contact or not. Since I have never been attracted to males I don't think so but cocks are sensitive creatures so who knows? If it happens that one of us forces the other to cum I would consider that a valid loss. I have no interest in kissing another man or sucking his cock or penetrating his ass. Not my business if others want to but it isn't me.
I realize that is still a long way from watching women fighting in a similar fashion but it is a contest of sex organs that might possibly happen. Just not my fantasy ideal. Yes, I do know it's kind of polar opposites and sometimes it doesn't make sense to me either but that's as close to an explanation as I can give you.
This sums up my feeling on the topic perfectly.
Quote from: lumberjack66 on May 31, 2023, 09:27:58 PM
I would say we have a pretty broad range of interests and special interests. I would say of all the crossover interests, it makes sense that catfights may draw more of a crossover of male vs. male as well. In other words, if you are into seeing catfights or a woman who catfights, it stands to reason that you might be more apt to be interested in MvM than the general population so it would make sense they would come here. Especially if there aren't a lot of MvM chat rooms out there (I have no idea if that is the case, but I haven't heard of any outside of meetfighters.com). And I would say MvM is not necessarily gay. As somebody pointed out, I used to wrestle all the time when I was younger and I am about as Straight as they come. Any more than women that catfight are lesbian. Even if you are arroused by it, still doesn't make you gay/lesbian.
Well said