SuiteFights just announced that a new match is coming - in December, so very soon!
Newcomer Stephanie will fight Angel - what a great xmas present from SuiteFights.
Super curious if it will be a "traditional rules" catfight or be non-nude or with some other twists. Stephanie looks super hot, SuiteFights did post photos of her on Twitter.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FkrycoKWABQLzXT?format=jpg&name=small)
Its great he is producing a fight but sad we have to question what type of fight. Hope its a traditional SF fight fingers crossed.
Steve is the best producer around. But it's hard to get too excited about watching Angel again. She's basically the Washington Generals of Suitefights. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised to see her opponent throw a bucket of confetti at her.
Angel for me is not an exciting catfighter. Lack of wild agression and sort of timid. Jackie Hoff(Taylor) gave her all she could handle until the breast grab at the end. I will check this one out as Stephanie is a hottie.
I don't feel Angel gets the credit she deserves.
She fought Sarah Brooke as her first opponent and was completely mauled, but stuck it out to the end.
She has grit and heart in my opinion.
I liked both her matches with Taylor and Emma.
There are very few women that are willing to sign up for a real, rules catfight. She shows much courage for stepping up.
-halhow3
Quote from: shesfinished on December 25, 2022, 06:08:39 PM
Angel for me is not an exciting catfighter. Lack of wild agression and sort of timid. Jackie Hoff(Taylor) gave her all she could handle until the breast grab at the end. I will check this one out as Stephanie is a hottie.
I can not understand how you can think that Angel who dominated in two catfights against Jackie and Emma is timid. She made them submit multiple times and was in control most of the time. Angel had also a wrestling match against Rhythm in which she broke rules and was too agressive and made it into a catfight so it had to be stopped.
How tall is Stephanie? SuiteFights tweeted a picture of her a while back and I thought she was tall enough to fight Carmilla or Sunni. ???
Quote from: hugl on December 26, 2022, 01:50:29 AM
I can not understand how you can think that Angel who dominated in two catfights against Jackie and Emma is timid. She made them submit multiple times and was in control most of the time. Angel had also a wrestling match against Rhythm in which she broke rules and was too agressive and made it into a catfight so it had to be stopped.
I remember that Angel match with Rhythm and still love it. Rhythm thought she could push her around since Angel was shorter (even smirked at her during the staredown as she thought this short girl has nothing on me) but Angel did not let her do much at all and forced the producer to cut at the end with her aggression.
Did some more digging on Stephanie and found her at APL. Here are her numbers: Height: 5'4" (1.63 m) Weight: 134 lbs (61 Kg)
AV1765 - Paisley Prince vs. Stephanie
https://www.aplvideos.com/catalogue.php?LIVRE=VIDEO&VIDEO=AV1765
Of course this is staged, but at least she has a match under her belt with Paisley who also wrestled Angel when she first started fighting.
Quote from: redmond on December 26, 2022, 10:20:20 PM
How tall is Stephanie? SuiteFights tweeted a picture of her a while back and I thought she was tall enough to fight Carmilla or Sunni. ???
Quote from: hugl on December 26, 2022, 01:50:29 AM
I can not understand how you can think that Angel who dominated in two catfights against Jackie and Emma is timid. She made them submit multiple times and was in control most of the time. Angel had also a wrestling match against Rhythm in which she broke rules and was too agressive and made it into a catfight so it had to be stopped.
I remember that Angel match with Rhythm and still love it. Rhythm thought she could push her around since Angel was shorter (even smirked at her during the staredown as she thought this short girl has nothing on me) but Angel did not let her do much at all and forced the producer to cut at the end with her aggression.
Yeah in striking, height can confer a real REACH advantage. When it comes to wrestling (and usually catfighting), "Everyone is the same height down on the floor". :)
Rhythm got taught a bit of a Lesson in that.
Someone asked about Angel's height. I seem to recall she is just around 5' maybe even 4'11". She is not a big girl.
One could have billed her match with Emma as the "Battle of the Hobbits" ...lol.
TBH i am not really a fan of Angel for the fact that she quit in her fight against Sarah saying she got too mad. Like what kind of shit is that. Don't quit then and use that frustration to win the fight. And then her next fight ended prematurely too. Unless she proves us fans wrong I'd rather had Steve use another girl for the fight, maybe someone like Jess or similar in height type of girl.
Quote from: deity17313 on December 28, 2022, 01:48:19 PM
TBH i am not really a fan of Angel for the fact that she quit in her fight against Sarah saying she got too mad. Like what kind of shit is that. Don't quit then and use that frustration to win the fight. And then her next fight ended prematurely too. Unless she proves us fans wrong I'd rather had Steve use another girl for the fight, maybe someone like Jess or similar in height type of girl.
She quit and lost to the greatest catfighter ever in her first catfight in Sarah Brooke, how can you hold that against her???
She came back and dominated Jackie and Emma. Other girls like Evonn and Michelle who got dominated in their first and only catfights against Sarah and Alexa did not come back. Angel deserves more respect.
Also how can it be Angels fault that Emma was sick and could not continue?
Quote from: hugl on December 28, 2022, 02:46:07 PM
Quote from: deity17313 on December 28, 2022, 01:48:19 PM
TBH i am not really a fan of Angel for the fact that she quit in her fight against Sarah saying she got too mad. Like what kind of shit is that. Don't quit then and use that frustration to win the fight. And then her next fight ended prematurely too. Unless she proves us fans wrong I'd rather had Steve use another girl for the fight, maybe someone like Jess or similar in height type of girl.
She quit and lost to the greatest catfighter ever in her first catfight in Sarah Brooke, how can you hold that against her???
She came back and dominated Jackie and Emma. Other girls like Evonn and Michelle who got dominated in their first and only catfights against Sarah and Alexa did not come back. Angel deserves more respect.
Also how can it be Angels fault that Emma was sick and could not continue?
More because she used that as a excuse to stop the fight against Sarah while she could have continued. And I know she fought against Taylor and Emma but are you mixing up Jackie fay and misty? Also Emma and Angel both drank the energy drinks that made them both nauseous prior to the fight so it wasn't just Emma like you stated. Also I'm just saying maybe a different girl would've been better but that's a opinion that i know i'm not the only one to hold. But logistics are a big part of planning for a catfight so not like i don't appreciate the effort put by Steve. Just stating my opinion and frustration on how the last fights ended, just like your saying Sarah is the greatest catfighter ever is a opinion and not a fact.
Quote from: deity17313 on December 28, 2022, 04:55:30 PM
Quote from: hugl on December 28, 2022, 02:46:07 PM
Quote from: deity17313 on December 28, 2022, 01:48:19 PM
TBH i am not really a fan of Angel for the fact that she quit in her fight against Sarah saying she got too mad. Like what kind of shit is that. Don't quit then and use that frustration to win the fight. And then her next fight ended prematurely too. Unless she proves us fans wrong I'd rather had Steve use another girl for the fight, maybe someone like Jess or similar in height type of girl.
She quit and lost to the greatest catfighter ever in her first catfight in Sarah Brooke, how can you hold that against her???
She came back and dominated Jackie and Emma. Other girls like Evonn and Michelle who got dominated in their first and only catfights against Sarah and Alexa did not come back. Angel deserves more respect.
Also how can it be Angels fault that Emma was sick and could not continue?
More because she used that as a excuse to stop the fight against Sarah while she could have continued. And I know she fought against Taylor and Emma but are you mixing up Jackie fay and misty? Also Emma and Angel both drank the energy drinks that made them both nauseous prior to the fight so it wasn't just Emma like you stated. Also I'm just saying maybe a different girl would've been better but that's a opinion that i know i'm not the only one to hold. But logistics are a big part of planning for a catfight so not like i don't appreciate the effort put by Steve. Just stating my opinion and frustration on how the last fights ended, just like your saying Sarah is the greatest catfighter ever is a opinion and not a fact.
I am actually not a big fan of Sarah but due to Sarah's insane win record and skills I think that Angel deserves more respect for surviving almost 30 minutes against Sarah in her debut and for not giving up earlier. You can't expect Angel to use her frustration to win the catfight because the skill difference is too large between them. Taylor is also known as Jackie Hoff so that's why I said Jackie. Angel and Emma both drank drank the energy drinks but at the moment the fight was stopped Angel was winning 3-0 so her win in this catfight shouldn't be disputed.
Quote from: hugl on December 28, 2022, 05:18:30 PM
Quote from: deity17313 on December 28, 2022, 04:55:30 PM
Quote from: hugl on December 28, 2022, 02:46:07 PM
Quote from: deity17313 on December 28, 2022, 01:48:19 PM
TBH i am not really a fan of Angel for the fact that she quit in her fight against Sarah saying she got too mad. Like what kind of shit is that. Don't quit then and use that frustration to win the fight. And then her next fight ended prematurely too. Unless she proves us fans wrong I'd rather had Steve use another girl for the fight, maybe someone like Jess or similar in height type of girl.
She quit and lost to the greatest catfighter ever in her first catfight in Sarah Brooke, how can you hold that against her???
She came back and dominated Jackie and Emma. Other girls like Evonn and Michelle who got dominated in their first and only catfights against Sarah and Alexa did not come back. Angel deserves more respect.
Also how can it be Angels fault that Emma was sick and could not continue?
More because she used that as a excuse to stop the fight against Sarah while she could have continued. And I know she fought against Taylor and Emma but are you mixing up Jackie fay and misty? Also Emma and Angel both drank the energy drinks that made them both nauseous prior to the fight so it wasn't just Emma like you stated. Also I'm just saying maybe a different girl would've been better but that's a opinion that i know i'm not the only one to hold. But logistics are a big part of planning for a catfight so not like i don't appreciate the effort put by Steve. Just stating my opinion and frustration on how the last fights ended, just like your saying Sarah is the greatest catfighter ever is a opinion and not a fact.
I am actually not a big fan of Sarah but due to Sarah's insane win record and skills I think that Angel deserves more respect for surviving almost 30 minutes against Sarah in her debut and for not giving up earlier. You can't expect Angel to use her frustration to win the catfight because the skill difference is too large between them. Taylor is also known as Jackie Hoff so that's why I said Jackie. Angel and Emma both drank drank the energy drinks but at the moment the fight was stopped Angel was winning 3-0 so her win in this catfight shouldn't be disputed.
I kinda agree with you about Sarah mate. I think her submission style that she didn't have when she started out catfights for Steve was better but now that she relies on it too much, and takes away from the feel of a who can take more which i feel catfights really are the essence of. Like Mira vs Jess 2, or even Sarahs original fight with Lexi. I still feel like Angel and the way she quit wasn't good for the product, but that's just my 2 cents that i'm sticking with. Let's just hope Stephanie vs Angel is a surprise addition of a fight that rivals the great fights of the early era that put SF on the map as the best producer of the genre.
Anyone know when this catfight will happen and where??
Quote from: shesfinished on December 28, 2022, 09:57:46 PM
Anyone know when this catfight will happen and where??
It's probably already happened given the photos on Steves twitter. Just a matter of release at this point. I think the fight was taped awhile back so might be released sometime real soon. Editing should be done already given the time gap.
All mention of the fight has been taken off of suitefights twitter, not sure why. I'm assuming that because the tweet said December 2022 and now there is going to be a delay.
Hope there hasn't been an issue with the release.
Noticed that. Assuming this catfight has yet to take place or one of the ladies pulled out. Somewhat unusual.
Quote from: shesfinished on December 29, 2022, 06:27:43 PM
Noticed that. Assuming this catfight has yet to take place or one of the ladies pulled out. Somewhat unusual.
Maybe, hopefully, Steve will let us know ...
I'm gonna just assume this one has been scrapped, it's not like Steve to just leave people in the dark as that would be pretty poor service.
Hope everything is ok.
Pretty positive this fight was filmed a while ago. I remember him posting pictures of Stephanie a few months ago (the typical modeling ones he takes the day of the shoot) and I've been looking forward to it since then. Maybe we'll see this later, maybe we won't. Totally up to Suitefights if he decides to release it or not, and that's perfectly fine. Sort of unfortunate to officially announce it and then go silent, but who knows if other things are happening behind the scenes.
What did catch my eye checking his Twitter this morning was a pretty unfortunate thread he recently posted. Someone on Twitter did one of their typical "fantasy" catfight polls talking about a Nikki vs Mila rematch (this wasn't sent directly to Suitefights). You can read his thread response as he has it pinned on his profile, but the gist of the situation is he tried to book a rematch in 2018 (but cancelled when one of the fighters smoked weed the day of the fight) and attempted a rematch in 2022 that didn't get seriously past the planning stages as both wanted reduced tactics and Mila was asking for more $. He needs to know this was the right decision. A more expensive and almost assuredly "worse" version of the first fight would have been a let down. While I'm sure there's those that are consistently "loud" in his replies, he needs to know that doesn't reflect the majority. If a fight or fighter is "popular," it goes without saying that he'll try to book a rematch or that talent again if all parties can make it work. It's superbly naïve to think these things aren't happening behind the scenes.
However, he then posted this:
"It's why I'm raising my rates starting in 2023 and why many (not all) of your favorites won't be returning. Ever. I'm not even going to send them a courtesy "fuck off." They don't deserve it, frankly."
Yeah, I don't love that line. While I'm SURE some of the models deserve it, this kind of blanket statement doesn't reflect well on anyone, and especially so if the models you are upset with aren't badmouthing you in public. You control who gets booked and who gets paid, no need for this. Make your deserved money and make every attempt to avoid unreliable talent in the future.
Totally fine to raise the costs, but seems unnecessary to bring up in a thread venting about "talent."
Also, Nikki wasn't too thrilled for having 2018 issues brought up so many years later and said that Brooke was "at the bar" the day of their fight. So, yeah.
As I've said repeatedly on this board, the patience and insanity involved with booking/filming amateur catfights is EXTRAORDINARY! The million different ways logistically an amateur catfight can go sideways is wild. Getting two models to show up and travel to a fight to hopefully slap each other silly is a goddamn miracle. Hopefully, when an absolute "classic" is filmed, it's profitable and rewarding for the producer. It's why I've said time and time again, support the producers who are doing it the "right" way. It would be amazing if every fight is a Nikki/Bella or Jess/Mira type of thriller, but if the fights are real, they can and will go any type of direction. If someone is making a legitimate effort to film real catfights in 4k between models, it's best to be there there when times are good and "bad."
Another thing, us catfight fans are annoying and rarely know what is best (especially, including myself)! We aren't privy to behind the scenes drama or anything like that. Unless you have an easy to work with "star," I'd almost always suggest attempting to book new talent. It hopefully broadens your potential talent pool while also taking that chance we'll see "fairer" matchups in the future and an expanded roster to deal with booking difficulties.
Unrelated to all of this - the weird Angel slander from earlier in this thread totally has thrown me off. I think she's always given a great effort (she's won multiple times), she's hot and I'd love to see her in future fights. Hope she can find a "rival" and really showcase what I think she has.
Quote from: Keith Stat on January 02, 2023, 11:31:50 PM
Pretty positive this fight was filmed a while ago. I remember him posting pictures of Stephanie a few months ago (the typical modeling ones he takes the day of the shoot) and I've been looking forward to it since then. Maybe we'll see this later, maybe we won't. Totally up to Suitefights if he decides to release it or not, and that's perfectly fine. Sort of unfortunate to officially announce it and then go silent, but who knows if other things are happening behind the scenes.
What did catch my eye checking his Twitter this morning was a pretty unfortunate thread he recently posted. Someone on Twitter did one of their typical "fantasy" catfight polls talking about a Nikki vs Mila rematch (this wasn't sent directly to Suitefights). You can read his thread response as he has it pinned on his profile, but the gist of the situation is he tried to book a rematch in 2018 (but cancelled when one of the fighters smoked weed the day of the fight) and attempted a rematch in 2022 that didn't get seriously past the planning stages as both wanted reduced tactics and Mila was asking for more $. He needs to know this was the right decision. A more expensive and almost assuredly "worse" version of the first fight would have been a let down. While I'm sure there's those that are consistently "loud" in his replies, he needs to know that doesn't reflect the majority. If a fight or fighter is "popular," it goes without saying that he'll try to book a rematch or that talent again if all parties can make it work. It's superbly naïve to think these things aren't happening behind the scenes.
However, he then posted this:
"It's why I'm raising my rates starting in 2023 and why many (not all) of your favorites won't be returning. Ever. I'm not even going to send them a courtesy "fuck off." They don't deserve it, frankly."
Yeah, I don't love that line. While I'm SURE some of the models deserve it, this kind of blanket statement doesn't reflect well on anyone, and especially so if the models you are upset with aren't badmouthing you in public. You control who gets booked and who gets paid, no need for this. Make your deserved money and make every attempt to avoid unreliable talent in the future.
Totally fine to raise the costs, but seems unnecessary to bring up in a thread venting about "talent."
Also, Nikki wasn't too thrilled for having 2018 issues brought up so many years later and said that Brooke was "at the bar" the day of their fight. So, yeah.
As I've said repeatedly on this board, the patience and insanity involved with booking/filming amateur catfights is EXTRAORDINARY! The million different ways logistically an amateur catfight can go sideways is wild. Getting two models to show up and travel to a fight to hopefully slap each other silly is a goddamn miracle. Hopefully, when an absolute "classic" is filmed, it's profitable and rewarding for the producer. It's why I've said time and time again, support the producers who are doing it the "right" way. It would be amazing if every fight is a Nikki/Bella or Jess/Mira type of thriller, but if the fights are real, they can and will go any type of direction. If someone is making a legitimate effort to film real catfights in 4k between models, it's best to be there there when times are good and "bad."
Another thing, us catfight fans are annoying and rarely know what is best (especially, including myself)! We aren't privy to behind the scenes drama or anything like that. Unless you have an easy to work with "star," I'd almost always suggest attempting to book new talent. It hopefully broadens your potential talent pool while also taking that chance we'll see "fairer" matchups in the future and an expanded roster to deal with booking difficulties.
Unrelated to all of this - the weird Angel slander from earlier in this thread totally has thrown me off. I think she's always given a great effort (she's won multiple times), she's hot and I'd love to see her in future fights. Hope she can find a "rival" and really showcase what I think she has.
I would be happy to pay more money for catfights that dont have draws as a finish or crappy "things were getting too heated" endings. Let them have it out like mira vs jess 2
If you think about the logistics of a Suitefights production it is pretty amazing.
Schedule two fighters (perhaps not reliable) to fly to a meeting city, while you show up, rent a room and bring a camera crew. Cost = airline tickets, room rental, pay the crew, pay the stars.
Then something doesn't work out. Total loss.
It isn't surprising these matches get cancelled sometimes. It is more surprising one ever gets pulled off.
How did companies like Golden Girls, DWW or others pull this off?
Well the product is a different, so it is easier to get opponents. They have a stable of steady wrestlers and when they do a shoot, they have perhaps a dozen girls invited. If a few don't show they still have enough to film. They pair them off, shoot SEVERAL videos and wrap it up.
So why can't Suitefights do this?
Well for a start he doesn't have 50+ girls working exclusively for him and frankly he can't. While the DWW crowd is very athletic, very attractive and very skilled, even they are not doing, true Rules Catfights.
The pool of available opponents for "She can't scratch your eyes out otherwise GO" is pretty small. But it is Rules Catfights that make Suitefight's product stand out.
I see no solution to this problem for Suitefights. It is always just going to be hit-or-miss for any matchup.
Sometimes a gem falls out of the sky (Jess vs Mira), (Bella vs Nikki), the rest of the time only patience will do.
-halhow3
If perchance Steve reads this, don't be impacted by the vocal minority. Maybe 4-6 people post comments frequently and hopefully that is 4-6 out of 5,000 or so that buy your product. Who cares what they say?
Quote from: Goodluck on January 03, 2023, 09:07:59 PM
If perchance Steve reads this, don't be impacted by the vocal minority. Maybe 4-6 people post comments frequently and hopefully that is 4-6 out of 5,000 or so that buy your product. Who cares what they say?
It's important to listen to your paying customers. People who are vocal, usually promote what they love for free and recommend the products to their friends.
Not listening and doing the same old dusty finish/draw/ premature stoppage is more damaging
Quote from: Goodluck on January 03, 2023, 09:07:59 PM
If perchance Steve reads this, don't be impacted by the vocal minority. Maybe 4-6 people post comments frequently and hopefully that is 4-6 out of 5,000 or so that buy your product. Who cares what they say?
Mad if you think 5,000 people buy a Catfight video. If that was the case they would make 150k -250k per fight and money would be no issue with any fighter.
Most get 50-100. Most popular slightly more
Quote from: jackrr on January 04, 2023, 01:15:37 AM
Quote from: Goodluck on January 03, 2023, 09:07:59 PM
If perchance Steve reads this, don't be impacted by the vocal minority. Maybe 4-6 people post comments frequently and hopefully that is 4-6 out of 5,000 or so that buy your product. Who cares what they say?
Mad if you think 5,000 people buy a Catfight video. If that was the case they would make 150k -250k per fight and money would be no issue with any fighter.
Most get 50-100. Most popular slightly more
Sales would really depend on distribution channels. If the matches like jess vs mira 1,2,3 or the phat pharrah catalogue disapear overnight, how can thet sell well?!?
It takes a while for catfight fans to discover clips of new producers. By the time they do, the studio is long gone.
Only 50 fans isnt bad if the fans are willing to sponsor, support, buy and promote the product. If they auction off the hair from a catfight, it could go for thousands
Quote from: Flamingo on January 03, 2023, 09:29:04 PM
Quote from: Goodluck on January 03, 2023, 09:07:59 PM
If perchance Steve reads this, don't be impacted by the vocal minority. Maybe 4-6 people post comments frequently and hopefully that is 4-6 out of 5,000 or so that buy your product. Who cares what they say?
It's important to listen to your paying customers. People who are vocal, usually promote what they love for free and recommend the products to their friends.
Not listening and doing the same old dusty finish/draw/ premature stoppage is more damaging
Shoot, half the people that are really vocal aren't paying customers, they hit me up in private messages for free copies of SF videos, which I decline.
Quote from: Goodluck on January 04, 2023, 04:40:07 AM
Quote from: Flamingo on January 03, 2023, 09:29:04 PM
Quote from: Goodluck on January 03, 2023, 09:07:59 PM
If perchance Steve reads this, don't be impacted by the vocal minority. Maybe 4-6 people post comments frequently and hopefully that is 4-6 out of 5,000 or so that buy your product. Who cares what they say?
It's important to listen to your paying customers. People who are vocal, usually promote what they love for free and recommend the products to their friends.
Not listening and doing the same old dusty finish/draw/ premature stoppage is more damaging
Shoot, half the people that are really vocal aren't paying customers, they hit me up in private messages for free copies of SF videos, which I decline.
It doesn't help that some of his best catfights like the mira vs jess trilogy isnt available to purchase anymore
Update from Suitefights on Twitter:
Angel vs. Stephanie has NOT been cancelled. The publishment has just been delayed slightly. No new date yet.
Good newa. Looks like a promising catfight. soon to be released.
Hopefully it's released soon. Hope it's a banger with a decisive winner.
the action of the fight matters far more than a decisive winner...
Quote from: clark85 on January 07, 2023, 09:17:54 AM
the action of the fight matters far more than a decisive winner...
It matters if you have a bet.
I'm working on getting it out this weekend. Here is the cover image taken from late in the match:
(https://i.imgur.com/uAnpYXa.jpg)
Terrific!
Quote from: pingpong on January 07, 2023, 03:34:23 PM
Quote from: clark85 on January 07, 2023, 09:17:54 AM
the action of the fight matters far more than a decisive winner...
It matters if you have a bet.
A bet on an extremely niche product such as this? you got problems then lol there's a million other things to be on...
Beautiful ...
There is some hair on the ground as well ... probably a great battle. When is the release? Thanks
Quote from: SuiteFights on January 07, 2023, 05:16:51 PM
I'm working on getting it out this weekend. Here is the cover image taken from late in the match:
(https://i.imgur.com/uAnpYXa.jpg)
That picture looks like a dream classic cf image!
It looks amazing
Out now! 15 minutes of fighting, best 3 out of 5!
https://suitefights.gumroad.com/l/angelvsstephanie (https://suitefights.gumroad.com/l/angelvsstephanie)
Did order it right now, downloading :-)
Preview's hot. Buying tonight. No spoilers please.
Saw the release preview as well. The staredown is intense and I feel this catfight won't disappoint. First of many, I hope,2023! Buying it.
I am extremely confident this will end the "Angel doesn't fight hard," moronic commentary ::)
Quote from: aasm2836 on January 07, 2023, 10:03:13 PM
I am extremely confident this will end the "Angel doesn't fight hard," moronic commentary ::)
From the preview it looks like she fights hard, she is pulling hair, etc.
Hah, I bought this before the 4K version is out (it's coming soon), so I'm waiting on that version before watching.
Pictures look fun! A nice hors d'oeuvre before these two can get properly acquainted.
Hope everyone enjoys it and it's a good one!
A ringing endorsement.
Bought and downloading now, hope it's good. Hope to see new faces and new rivalries that match the great fights that SF is known for. Maybe we might even get lucky and get two girls that give us a catfight that matches Jess vs Mira 2 in a no time limit format. In Steve we trust!
Quote from: aasm2836 on January 07, 2023, 10:03:13 PM
I am extremely confident this will end the "Angel doesn't fight hard," moronic commentary ::)
You trying to bring drama on release day is the only thing moronic. ::)
Just enjoy and review the release in a trustworthy and logical manner instead of that.
Quote from: clark85 on January 07, 2023, 09:17:54 AM
the action of the fight matters far more than a decisive winner...
Whatever the action is like I'm always disappointed if a fight doesn't end with a decisive winner and loser. I don't like paying money to be disappointed so I'm going to wait on the reviews of this one before I decide whether to buy it or not.
Quote from: deity17313 on January 08, 2023, 02:21:06 AM
Quote from: aasm2836 on January 07, 2023, 10:03:13 PM
I am extremely confident this will end the "Angel doesn't fight hard," moronic commentary ::)
You trying to bring drama on release day is the only thing moronic. ::)
Just enjoy and review the release in a trustworthy and logical manner instead of that.
Yes God Member
I purchased this clip the other night and watched it. I like this fight much.
Angel and Stephanie are close to the same height. Stephanie is more curvy and heavier, Angel I think has more experience. The contest is mostly close in body to body wrestling and catballing on the floor. There is little to no punching, kicking or slapping. Hairpulling looked mild, but there is some cunny stretching at the start of the second round and the occasional breast grab.
The contest is fought to three submissions. It goes to the end and there is a winner. It starts in panties only. Angel loses hers early, Stephanie is never stripped nude but much is shown as the fight moves along.
This contest is not hateful or angry, but when they are struggling it is a contest.
I rated this 4 out of 5 on Gumroad. I found it very entertaining. If you like watching Angel tussle its a good video. Great for its price.
-halhow3
Quote from: Keith Stat on January 02, 2023, 11:31:50 PM
However, he then posted this:
"It's why I'm raising my rates starting in 2023 and why many (not all) of your favorites won't be returning. Ever. I'm not even going to send them a courtesy "fuck off." They don't deserve it, frankly."
Yeah, I don't love that line. While I'm SURE some of the models deserve it, this kind of blanket statement doesn't reflect well on anyone, and especially so if the models you are upset with aren't badmouthing you in public. You control who gets booked and who gets paid, no need for this. Make your deserved money and make every attempt to avoid unreliable talent in the future.
Totally fine to raise the costs, but seems unnecessary to bring up in a thread venting about "talent."
Also, Nikki wasn't too thrilled for having 2018 issues brought up so many years later and said that Brooke was "at the bar" the day of their fight. So, yeah.
If anything his prices have been cheap compared to other companies that charge $50 just to sponsor and then you get girls that are friends off camera in a sham catfight. I do miss the old days when we had Jess vs Alexa or Mila vs Nikki fights, where you knew the girls had no friendship and were just there to fight.
I still don't understand the whole twitter crap. Why does a producer pay any attention to some shmucks who have nothing better to do than to criticize and troll with fake names. The Nikki thing kinda surprises me because her fight with Brooke was pretty good up until the bloody nose stoppage. What does someone going to the bar have anything to do with it unless they got drunk and all fucked up, which wasn't the case since we would've noticed during the pre-match interview.
As far as Angel vs Stephanie goes, good fight especially if you like ground scuffles and I thought Stephanie did well for this being her first catfight. It was kinda dangerous for Angel to be fighting with lip rings especially after that happened to Alexa during her match against Vika, but it definitely gives her a unique look. If there's something I would criticize, it would be the outfits. Again we had just thongs and there wasn't much for the girls to rip up. Anyways, I would also rate this 4 out of 5 stars.
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Quote from: clark85 on January 07, 2023, 09:17:54 AM
the action of the fight matters far more than a decisive winner...
Whatever the action is like I'm always disappointed if a fight doesn't end with a decisive winner and loser. I don't like paying money to be disappointed so I'm going to wait on the reviews of this one before I decide whether to buy it or not.
Whatever the action is?? so it could be a nothing happen match and someone wins and you want that?? Crazy talk
I may actually purchase this one. The ground work, catballing, and other catty tactics I saw on the preview look awesome! This is the first SF match I've purchased in a long while so I hope I'm not disappointed. Also... I've loved every catfight/wrestling match Angel has been in so props to her for keeping my interestl ???
This will be a nice way to keep me entertained while at home recovering from my Covid diagnosis.
Quote from: clark85 on January 09, 2023, 03:22:40 AM
Quote from: harpoon on January 08, 2023, 04:11:40 AM
Quote from: clark85 on January 07, 2023, 09:17:54 AM
the action of the fight matters far more than a decisive winner...
Whatever the action is like I'm always disappointed if a fight doesn't end with a decisive winner and loser. I don't like paying money to be disappointed so I'm going to wait on the reviews of this one before I decide whether to buy it or not.
Whatever the action is?? so it could be a nothing happen match and someone wins and you want that?? Crazy talk
If I said I wouldn't want to drink coffee without sugar and cream, whatever kind of coffee it is, does that mean I don't care what kind of coffee I drink, as long as it has sugar and cream in it?
I don't see how you can have a decisive winner and loser in a nothing happens catfight. For one woman to win decisively, something decisive has to happen. It takes a mix of ingredients to make a good catfight. A decisive winner is just one of them, but for me, it's a very important one.
Quote from: jaybee on January 09, 2023, 07:45:14 AM
I may actually purchase this one. The ground work, catballing, and other catty tactics I saw on the preview look awesome! This is the first SF match I've purchased in a long while so I hope I'm not disappointed. Also... I've loved every catfight/wrestling match Angel has been in so props to her for keeping my interestl ???
This will be a nice way to keep me entertained while at home recovering from my Covid diagnosis.
Sorry to hear you are feeling sick. Best wishes for a speedy recovery.
Quote from: halhow3 on January 09, 2023, 02:18:09 PM
Quote from: jaybee on January 09, 2023, 07:45:14 AM
I may actually purchase this one. The ground work, catballing, and other catty tactics I saw on the preview look awesome! This is the first SF match I've purchased in a long while so I hope I'm not disappointed. Also... I've loved every catfight/wrestling match Angel has been in so props to her for keeping my interestl ???
This will be a nice way to keep me entertained while at home recovering from my Covid diagnosis.
Sorry to hear you are feeling sick. Best wishes for a speedy recovery.
Thanks a lot! I'm no doing too good at the moment but I'll pull through.
Quote from: jaybee on January 09, 2023, 06:50:26 PM
Quote from: halhow3 on January 09, 2023, 02:18:09 PM
Quote from: jaybee on January 09, 2023, 07:45:14 AM
I may actually purchase this one. The ground work, catballing, and other catty tactics I saw on the preview look awesome! This is the first SF match I've purchased in a long while so I hope I'm not disappointed. Also... I've loved every catfight/wrestling match Angel has been in so props to her for keeping my interestl ???
This will be a nice way to keep me entertained while at home recovering from my Covid diagnosis.
Sorry to hear you are feeling sick. Best wishes for a speedy recovery.
Thanks a lot! I'm no doing too good at the moment but I'll pull through.
Fight was ok In my books. Worth the advertised purchase price, which is a lot better than other producers. Can't think of another catfight producer that delivers on quality and value in comparison to pricing as much Steve. Still wish the girls were more aggressive but maybe Stephanie in a future fjght or maybe a new girl can be that one that fights hard every match. Also wish you a speedy recovery mate.
Quote from: jaybee on January 09, 2023, 06:50:26 PM
Quote from: halhow3 on January 09, 2023, 02:18:09 PM
Quote from: jaybee on January 09, 2023, 07:45:14 AM
I may actually purchase this one. The ground work, catballing, and other catty tactics I saw on the preview look awesome! This is the first SF match I've purchased in a long while so I hope I'm not disappointed. Also... I've loved every catfight/wrestling match Angel has been in so props to her for keeping my interestl ???
This will be a nice way to keep me entertained while at home recovering from my Covid diagnosis.
Sorry to hear you are feeling sick. Best wishes for a speedy recovery.
Thanks a lot! I'm no doing too good at the moment but I'll pull through.
Fight was ok In my books. Worth the advertised purchase price, which is a lot better than other producers. Can't think of another catfight producer that delivers on quality and value in comparison to pricing as much Steve. Still wish the girls were more aggressive but maybe Stephanie in a future fjght or maybe a new girl can be that one that fights hard every match like Jess and Mira have in the past. Also wish you a speedy recovery mate, fuck corona. I heard booster variants are becoming widespread amongst China too.
Finally had time to watch this one and I enjoyed it! This was a unique matchup as Angel had the skill advantage and Stephanie had the physical advantage and they both gave a superb effort fighting to exhaustion in a surprisingly back and forth fight. This catfight really hits its highpoint for me in the struggle for the last submission as they both seemed to "crank up" the catfighting tactics as neither wanted to give an inch. Stephanie and Angel are both extremely sexy and fought hard, and I'd love to see them both back.
This is "expected" in a Suitefights production, but we really are spoiled with the absurd production quality, and this is another winner in that regard. Catfights in 4K, multiple camera angles, and all of the other effort that goes into making this really are worth it and should not be taken for granted. I just don't want to gloss over the fact that this is all extremely appreciated as a fan and it really enhances my enjoyment getting to know the ladies personalities and really cranking up the "tension" before they are finally let loose on one another.
Overall, it's a fun fight at a fair price and I'd EASILY recommend it to those on the fence. Just really great receiving this in all the available formats along with the pictures in a tidy package. Bravo to Suitefights, Stephanie and Angel on a GREAT job by all.
What I'm going to say next isn't necessarily a "complaint," it's just more my personal preference. And this "complaint" might actually be a selling point for others, so I'm not "right" and reasonable people can and should disagree. This also isn't a criticism for any of the fighters as they should do whatever tactic(s) works best for them to submit the other, even if I find it less "entertaining." I really struggle putting this in a way that doesn't sound harsh, as I zero percent mean this as a indictment against any, but I prefer catfighters over wrestlers. It's why I usually prefer rookies over those with experience. Once I see a catfighter attempt a BJJ hold against some hapless model, it's a bit of a downer. I prefer my catfights to be sloppy hairpulling slapping "fiascos" where they attempt to maul each other into submission with absolutely zero attempts at anything above a novice wrestling move. It's why I give absolutely zero care in who wins in a catfight, as long as they give an honest effort. The least "skilled" fights are very often my favorites. As I've said before, one of the reasons I absolutely adored Jess and Mira is they both fought a bunch of times and both never bothered to google an MMA or wrestling submission. As a recent example, it's also why I was bummed when Vika, who is an ABSOLUTE STAR and had one of my favorite matchups in recent memory vs Carmilla, said before her fight with Sunni that she was working on "grappling" was a personal bummer. I sometimes worry that vets "graduate" out of what I want in an amateur catfight.
Just to reiterate, I don't want anything "fake" in catfights and I want them both to fight to win, even if that involves MMA/wrestling skills. It's just that I naturally gravitate towards the other end of the spectrum and that's why I often prefer newbies. Saying all that, it's a GREAT dynamic when a wrestler is attempting to some type of hold and their "less" skilled competitor responds by slapping them in the face or mauling their tits totally disrupting their plan. There's a decent amount of unexpected surprises like this in the Angel/Stephanie fight!
Yes, MMA training ruins the feel of what a catfight is and should be and can never get into fights like that, as i think catfights are a who can take it more ordeal. I think Bella had the same issue in her match against Nikki with her BJJ defense that made me not praise it like the classics in the beginning era of SF.
Quote from: deity17313 on January 10, 2023, 01:19:17 PM
Yes, MMA training ruins the feel of what a catfight is and should be and can never get into fights like that, as i think catfights are a who can take it more ordeal. I think Bella had the same issue in her match against Nikki with her BJJ defense that made me not praise it like the classics in the beginning era of SF.
Well said. As I do like SF to keep producing, he is the best and I'll keep on buying. I think catfighting should be that: a catfight, as of who can take more ordeal This was also Bob at ecnwc motto.