Hi!
What happened to the edit icon in the stories forum? Can we no longer edit our stories? That's an important tool for me...I can't spell wroth a carp. See? ;D
Thanks,
Jonica
xoxo
Quote from: Jonica on October 29, 2010, 02:25:25 PM
Hi!
What happened to the edit icon in the stories forum? Can we no longer edit our stories? That's an important tool for me...I can't spell wroth a carp. See? ;D
Thanks,
Jonica
xoxo
That's ok, fish need mention every once in a while too.
Permission should now be back. Please confirm. I have set the allowed edit time to 10 mins.
Quote from: FEMMEFIGHT on October 29, 2010, 03:36:01 PM
Permission should now be back. Please confirm. I have set the allowed edit time to 10 mins.
It's still not there.
:'(
Yeah, just looked back on my stories too and I can't edit them anymore either!
Eeeeek! I'm going to have to learn to spell! I'm Doomed! DOOOOOOOOMED!!!!!!!
x G x
PS. can we get that feature back? It's a handy way to update stuff without having to bump the story to the top (wow.. bump! look at me and my techno lingo!)
I have the edit icons on other thread posts, just not in the stories forum.
:'(
Yeah, the lack of edit button is disturbing :( I hope it comes back soon ???
The Edit option is enabled for all forums but there is a 10 minute period for edits after which you cannot edit posts.
The reason I have added the restriction is due to several threads losing their direction when edits happen to posts days after there have been responses.
It's also to ensure we don't lose posts when people report an issue with a poster, only for us to visit the thread and find the offending item edited into blanks.
Quotemight I ask WHY this restriction on editing was imposed?
They like to laugh at my poor grammar and bad spelling.
:'(
Quote from: Jonica on October 30, 2010, 04:32:47 PM
They like to laugh at my poor grammar and bad spelling.
:'(
I always like to laugh at you
x G x
Quote from: Gemma Rox on October 30, 2010, 05:25:14 PM
Quote from: Jonica on October 30, 2010, 04:32:47 PM
They like to laugh at my poor grammar and bad spelling.
:'(
I always like to laugh at you
x G x
Flame post.
;D
Quote from: FEMMEFIGHT on October 30, 2010, 04:23:41 PM
The reason I have added the restriction is due to several threads losing their direction when edits happen to posts days after there have been responses.
It's also to ensure we don't lose posts when people report an issue with a poster, only for us to visit the thread and find the offending item edited into blanks.
First I assume you mean the "modify" option as the "edit poll" option is still available for polls. So you threw out the baby with the bath water. If these are the reasons you did it then you have done more damage than good. I think it is worse to have errors, sometimes serious errors, than to have a threat losing its direction. And as for someone removing an offending item isn't hat the result you want? So you don't get to enjoy being a policeman and calling them out. If they hadn't removed the offending issue then what are your choices anyway? You could remove the item but that comes very close to censorship. You could removed their membership and ban them. That may be reasonable but you have stated your are reluctant to ban anyone. Besides that could be construed as even a stronger form of censorship. Finally, you could ask them to remove it -- QED.
My tournaments are complex with tables and images. It is easy to make mistakes, many are of which are not found until someone reports them to me or I find them days later.
I completely disagree.
If you visit most forums, you have a limited edit option. You can't just post a load of diatribe and then once you have stirred up a reaction, go back and wipe out whatever you said.
It's not a big topic. You are still free to say whatever you choose to post. You also have time to check grammer, spelling errors and so on.
I have introduced the limit for specific reasons. It will not be problem for the majority of users.
I can also increase the time limit if users don't think 10 minutes is enough to check / edit / comlete a post.
John
Quote from: FEMMEFIGHT on October 30, 2010, 09:21:16 PM
I completely disagree.
If you visit most forums, you have a limited edit option. You can't just post a load of diatribe and then once you have stirred up a reaction, go back and wipe out whatever you said.
It's not a big topic. You are still free to say whatever you choose to post. You also have time to check grammer, spelling errors and so on.
I have introduced the limit for specific reasons. It will not be problem for the majority of users.
I can also increase the time limit if users don't think 10 minutes is enough to check / edit / comlete a post.
John
I respectively disagree. Most forums I visit do not have a time limit for making edits or corrections. In fact, his is the only forum that I visit where the time limit is the case. It is a problem for me and I think my current tournaments will be my last on this forum unless I choose to end them earlier.
I am not the only one who has this as the only forum where there is a time limit o0n changing your mistakes.
And you haven't said what you final result you want to achieve when someone posts diatribes. If they can't delete it, then the diatribe will still be there and will cause stir up further reactions. If you attack them or tell them not to do it then the most common reaction of the poster is to keep arguing, making even more discussions. If you remove it than you are back to just what you are complaining about - the offensive post is no longer there. You could delete the whole thread or but you can do this anyway.
What I am asking you do to is to THINK! If someone posts a load of diatribe then what is it you want to achieve? When you figure that out you can determine the best way to handle it and is also consistent with the needs of other members.
By the way, I am not the only one that has found this forum to be the only one with a time limit for edits.
Finally, for what reason can I no longer lock and unlock voting? I can see why you may want to do this but I would appreciate it if you would reconsider.
Is it possible to bring back the old setting for a specific sub-forum or do the changes apply for the entire board and then it's impossible to make a selective approach? I haven't witnessed any personal insults in the celebrity sub-forum and it could be easily spared this treatement.
Quote from: Glamour Fights on October 30, 2010, 09:36:31 PM
And you haven't said what you final result you want to achieve when someone posts diatribes.
Moderators get emails daily from users who ask us to ban users. More often than not, they refer us to threads where a user has posted something they deem offensive. Whilst I am not easily offended, if we are to moderate correctly, we need to be able to read all posts and threads in their intended format without alteration by the user several hours later
What I am hoping to achieve is two things. To encourage users to post with some thought. That way, hopefully, moderators get less requests for bans, blocks, deletions and when they are asked to do so, they have the evidence to make an informed decision.
In the case of errors re stories, I will look into the option of enabling an unlimited edit option for a first post / thread starter. How does that sound? So if you post a story, you can go back and edit it as many times as you want.
Quote from: Glamour Fights on October 30, 2010, 09:36:31 PMFinally, for what reason can I no longer lock and unlock voting? I can see why you may want to do this but I would appreciate it if you would reconsider.
This is another thing I can't get to grips with. Perhaps I should set it back as it was but if you set a date for a poll to expire, surely you should let it run to that date regardless?
I'm open to removing the limit on that if people feel strongly about it.
cheers
John
Quote from: Vassago on October 30, 2010, 09:50:26 PM
Is it possible to bring back the old setting for a specific sub-forum or do the changes apply for the entire board and then it's impossible to make a selective approach? I haven't witnessed any personal insults in the celebrity sub-forum and it could be easily spared this treatement.
Good point and I will see if thats possible
Thx for your response.
The thing with posting a specific date has sometimes produced a number of late suspicious voting in some polls and therefore ruin the whole concept. Glamour Fights' polls have been struck by this occurance and that's why he insists on keeping the lock option available for the thread starters :)
In fact, it would be ideal if we could edit the limit to be user specific so where there are conflicts we can remove the editing rights of specific users (complainent and "alleged" offender melud) whilst the differences are settled.
I will look into that as well
I offer a possible solution to your problem with the posts that people complain about and then are gone. In you other general announcement about asking to ban people you say they should offer proof as to why they should be banned. Well, if someone is offended by a post I suggest you require them to copy or quote the post and include it in the private message or the email.. That way you will have it for the record and your inspection at your leisure. And you will also be able to leave the modify option as it was before. The members have spoken pretty loudly as I haven't seen a single post in support of the change you made.
The lock/unlock option is not a big deal for me. The reason I don't give ending dates has been given and is because of suspicious voting. But I have a work around for not being able to lock the voting and on handling suspicious voting so changing it back is not necessary. It is just more convenient to be able to lock them but there are some inconveniences which may be for the better benefit of all.
You know it is kind of scaring me that the more I listen to Jonica and Gemma, the more they make sense??
Ummmmm does that mean I get to drink the koolaid they recently made?? ;D
I have been part of other forums different fetishes, and almost all of them have time limits for editing posts.
Usually EVEN if I try and proof read, later I will growl, and curse as I find YET another error I missed, that is now part of history for all to see.
ALSO usually if I try to proof read, I begin changing things. Adding more work to it.
SO I consider my goofs like a wheres Waldo.. You find my mistakes CONGRATS you can have them as your own. A special part of the enjoyment process.
ALMOST ALL of the forums have different time limits to re-edit or change things after posting.
I think the max one is 24 hours after posting your done, being able to add more to it.
Have been writing for over 8 hours.. for story I have going.. so not sure I am making sense... why do I do it?? Simply I think the ladies here worth it.
NOW check it out, and enjoy the mistakes as part of my signiture to it. LOL
OH and Jonica ALWAYS it is laughing with you .. your loads of fun... to those of us that love ya.. screw the ones that laugh at you!!
Umm well cept Gemma she has earened that right!!
Storm
The limit is currently set at 2 hours.
I am off out to watch one of the kids play football (English Football!!) and will probably be out for most of the day but I will revisit this tomorrow for sure.
cheers
John
John,
I offer another reason for the need of time unlimited edits that is not under control of the user nor the moderators. My polls usually feature side by side comparisons of the fighters. I use an image hosting service to do this. Your forum does not provide the storage for the number of images required and I don't think it should. However at least one of these services has problems (name left out for legal reasons). Images will just disappear or become unavailable. It isn't for copyright or legal issues nor even pornography reasons. It often seems random. But when it happens sometimes one of the images disappears so the comparison can no longer be done. I have solved this problem by switching services but not all images have been moved over. I also see it has happened to others.
Your proposal to allow unlimited for the first post in a thread would solve this for the original posting of the poll or topic (not all topics have polls in them.) But it doesn't solve the problem for subsequent posts.
I throw that out there for your consideration although I think it will do little good as you seem to have made up your mind. I would also remind you of your promise "Lastly, the moderation team is here to help and will do so. Please do contact us if you have a genuine issue" From the discussion this would seem to be a genuine issue.
--GF
Okay maybe to make mine more sense...
You can always add more using reply to thread. Time limits I have seen specifically deal with you being able to edit your already posted comments.
Yes I have had this be a pain before myself, as trying to get something all in, time expires before you can.
ONE thing I now do that may help others as well.
I will write story in my e-mails, personal ID outside of forums.
Then when done cut and paste it into post.
That gives you more time to have to add changes or other things to it.
Storm
Quote from: FEMMEFIGHT on October 30, 2010, 09:59:52 PM
In fact, it would be ideal if we could edit the limit to be user specific so where there are conflicts we can remove the editing rights of specific users (complainent and "alleged" offender melud) whilst the differences are settled.
I will look into that as well
Perhaps this post was missed. I agree an ideal outcome is no limit, but where we do have a conflicts we need to apply one so we know which users said what and to whom (sp?). I will see if we can make the limit applicable only to users who are in dispute.
My mind is not made up on this subject at all but we do need a solution to an issue which moderators are given pretty much daily where a post / thread is reported and upon visiting it, we find it altered beyond comprehension so have no way of telling which side is giving us the full picture.
Will have a preoper think on this over today / tomorrow.
Kids side won the footy btw ... 2-1 :-) (they lost last week 5 - 2..!!)
Onwards and upwards..
I like the idea of unlimited access to editing for story authors. I tend to find mistakes just about everytime I read one of my stories. I think it is a valuable tool. Two hours is better than ten minutes, and twenty four hours would be even better. But I like the idea of being able to tweak my stories whenever I find a mistake or I notice a way to make it more readable. We are, afterall, our own worst critic.
Thanks,
Jonica
xoxo
PS...Congrats to your kids on their win! :D