I have a few things that do bother me in genre. I was wondering what yours are as well. For me the below list is what kinda turns me off a specific fight:
Full clothing Catfights (Hard pass it's just not as enjoyable for me)
Any footwear and thongs (nothing takes me out of Catfights/Wrestling when they're in boots, heels, or sneakers just not attractive)
Sexfight billed as a catfight (California Wildcats was probably the worst offender of this. No it's not a "power" struggle. It's rough sex that's it. Cool I guess, but when there's no animosity or struggle it's not really entertaining to me)
Bad acting (A lot of Catfights have this. Sometimes it's okay Double Trouble puts out gems all the time and their earlier stuff is great; but when it's just so scripted and bad acting it's just not good)
Anytime there's a weapon involved (just takes me right out of it)
One sided matches (I know people love this one but for me it's boring when one woman just wipes the floor with the other. For me the struggle is the turn on, not the victory.)
Too much "dirty catfighting" (grabbing genitals is fine and welcomed, but when it becomes the fighters only tactic that works it makes for a very boring fight)
Too real or too competitive (SoCal Catfights, I own one of their fights it's just too real for me. That and overly competitive wrestling. Growing up being a fan of this fetish I would avoid any fight that had Ziggy, sometimes Nadege, and I often avoid Ariel X now too because it becomes too much like a sport and I have to compartmentalize between sexuality and sport and when the line is blurred it's just not a turn on for me)
What are some of yours.
I also feel like judging off this post it's pretty clear what I like in the fetish which also I feel narrows my selection of products to buy.
1) Full clothing Catfights (Hard pass it's just not as enjoyable for me)
2) Any footwear and thongs (nothing takes me out of Catfights/Wrestling when they're in boots, heels, or sneakers just not attractive)
3) Sexfight billed as a catfight (California Wildcats was probably the worst offender of this. No it's not a "power" struggle. It's rough sex that's it. Cool I guess, but when there's no animosity or struggle it's not really entertaining to me)
4) Bad acting (A lot of Catfights have this. Sometimes it's okay Double Trouble puts out gems all the time and their earlier stuff is great; but when it's just so scripted and bad acting it's just not good)
5) Anytime there's a weapon involved (just takes me right out of it)
6) One sided matches (I know people love this one but for me it's boring when one woman just wipes the floor with the other. For me the struggle is the turn on, not the victory.)
Agree with 1 and 2 - it always seems ridiculous to me for women to be wearing footwear which could cause injury, and it adds nothing to the spectacle.
For 3 and 4 it's simply a case of not bothering with the companies who produce soft porn in the guise of catfights or who have their "actresses" mouth ludicrous dialogue. For 5, the actual catfight should be sufficiently entertaining - God knows there's enough weapon-related violence in the real world.
Agree with 6 - if the fight isn't at least somewhat competitive then I don't see the point in viewing.
My own pet dislike is for hair-pulling to dominate a fight - I've no problem with the tactic being used, but not incessantly and pretty much to the exclusion of all else.
Hair pulling leads to cat balls and cat balling leads no where lol.
Ah yes, Bunpbner-man-22, hair pulling does sometimes lead to catballs, but that's what I love to see! Two women in a body to body, breast to breast, catball is a huge turn on for me. But that's ok....to each his/her own.
As for things I don't like to see, weapons being used, serious injury, and humiliation of the loser. Losing the fight should be the end of it. Oh...one other important thing I hate to see is a girl being bullied into a fight. If two girls want to fight, then I say let them go at it. But bullying in any form is not ok.
Quote from: Bunpbner-man-22 on July 13, 2022, 09:57:36 PM
Too much "dirty catfighting" (grabbing genitals is fine and welcomed, but when it becomes the fighters only tactic that works it makes for a very boring fight)
Too real or too competitive (SoCal Catfights, I own one of their fights it's just too real for me. That and overly competitive wrestling. Growing up being a fan of this fetish I would avoid any fight that had Ziggy, sometimes Nadege, and I often avoid Ariel X now too because it becomes too much like a sport and I have to compartmentalize between sexuality and sport and when the line is blurred it's just not a turn on for me)
Regarding the too much "dirty catfighting" part. What you're effectively saying is "I don't like seeing the same thing over and over and want the fighters to try different things to win. This is often a balance producers etc have to make and it's really down to what the fighters agree on. If the only tactic allowed is hairpulling, then it's going to be pretty samey throughout the fight. But there are obviously a lot of women who can't handle or don't want to handle certain tactics for whatever reason, and the more restrictive the rules, the less dynamic a fight can be.
The second point confuses me. What you want is a real fight (i.e. no bad acting/fake fights that are effectively just sex), but not "too real"? What is your threshold for realness? You say you like some genital grabbing etc, but that's pretty unrealistic for a normal fight. Is it too real because there is punching involved, or specifically face punching? SoCal's fights are one of the few at the moment that really allow face punching, but lots of producers are ok with body striking. You say you want don't want it to be a sport, but don't define where you draw the line? I saw a nude wrestling match between Ariel X and Hollie Dunaway and while I don't like wrestling specifically, that match was amazing because they were drenched in sweat by the end and it was incredibly hard fought and intense.
My definition of a real fight is one where the two women are naturally fighting competitively. Tactics etc are irrelevant. What makes a fight real is that there is no predetermined ending, and there is no script they are following to determine who does what during the fight. Whether that's wrestling or boxing or sex or whatever it is. What I like is the intensity and competitiveness. This is obviously not the same as your definition, and that's ok, but you might be missing out on some very good videos/content if your focus is too narrow.
Not saying your opinion is wrong or anything, you like what you like and that's great, everyone's different. But I also think when people are trying to articulate what they like to producers etc who ask for feedback, a lot of time they don't really understand what they want either until they've seen it.
Full clothing Catfights (Hard pass it's just not as enjoyable for me) DISAGREE COMPLETELY, I LOVE CATFIGHTS OF WOMEN IN BUSINESS SUITS, DRESSES, UNIFORMS, SKIRTS, ETC,...
Any footwear and thongs (nothing takes me out of Catfights/Wrestling when they're in boots, heels, or sneakers just not attractive) AGREE - WANT THEM BAREFOOT ALWAYS, BUT LIKE WHEN THEY TAKE THEIR SHOES OFF AT THE BEGINNING OF THE FIGHT
Sexfight billed as a catfight (California Wildcats was probably the worst offender of this. No it's not a "power" struggle. It's rough sex that's it. Cool I guess, but when there's no animosity or struggle it's not really entertaining to me)
DISAGREE TO AN EXTENT - DON'T MIND IF THE CATFIGHT BECOMES LESBIAN SEX ACTION
Bad acting (A lot of Catfights have this. Sometimes it's okay Double Trouble puts out gems all the time and their earlier stuff is great; but when it's just so scripted and bad acting it's just not good) AGREE
Anytime there's a weapon involved (just takes me right out of it) AGREE TOTALLY
One sided matches (I know people love this one but for me it's boring when one woman just wipes the floor with the other. For me the struggle is the turn on, not the victory.) AGREE TO AN EXTENT
Too much "dirty catfighting" (grabbing genitals is fine and welcomed, but when it becomes the fighters only tactic that works it makes for a very boring fight) DISAGREE, DIRTY CATFIGHTING IS OK THE WHOLE TIME
Too real or too competitive (SoCal Catfights, I own one of their fights it's just too real for me. That and overly competitive wrestling. Growing up being a fan of this fetish I would avoid any fight that had Ziggy, sometimes Nadege, and I often avoid Ariel X now too because it becomes too much like a sport and I have to compartmentalize between sexuality and sport and when the line is blurred it's just not a turn on for me) AGREE TOTALLY - I DO NOT LIKE REAL FIGHTS AND NOT A FAN OF WOMEN GETTING HURT (LIKE UFC/MMA). CATFIGHTS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE SEXUAL AND GET STRAIGHT GUYS HORNY AS HELL !!!
Sexfights is not a catfight, I agree, I don't like sexfights.
And of course I hate DRAWS, hehehe.
1.) Producers and/or others coaching all in the background. I hate that shid like stfu so we can enjoy the fight.
2.) Fights being stopped early. I love SuiteFights & SoCal to death but they are known to stop fights early. Like the Mira/Jess 3 match. I bought the Mary vs Leena for 35$ and the fight ended a Round early due to lack of stamina like many of Socal fights are known to do.
Hate giggling/laughing. Catfghts ending with no clear decisive winner which I feel is a must. Finally, when there is a mis-matched in the catfighters ht./wt./size. Like them equally built. Unattractive women also do no do it for me.
Quote from: Dario on July 14, 2022, 09:39:34 AM
Sexfights is not a catfight, I agree, I don't like sexfights.
And of course I hate DRAWS, hehehe.
Ditto. I could not agree enough on both points.
I like real fights, not fake ones. I don't like unilateral fights. I like attacks on the tits and pussy, but I prefer it to be one of the many techniques in combat. I don't like it when there aren't any punches in the face. These techniques were used in fights in Crystal Catfight studio, and now it is at, for example, Socal Catfights studio. It is a common technique in female fights, so with organized fights punching to face too should be alongside kicks, hair pulling, wrestling techniques, scratching and nipple and pussy pinching. Girls should be in panties and bras, topless or naked. Not in full clothes.
I agree with a lot of what has been written already. Let me add one thing and this turns me off more than anything: blood. I absolutely hate seeing blood. For me it removes any of the sexiness or fantasy of the encounter. Hate it. Hate it. Hate it. I can't click out of the video fast enough.
If you really want to know how I feel about it, simply ask.
Smiling, Laughing and friendly models, only laughing I want to see is the Winner laughing at the Loser Post fight
pretend to fight.
one sided match.
size mismatch.
blood
too much hairpulling :-X
Hmmmm...
1. hair pulling resulting in long stalemates
2. Too much giggling (laughing period)
3. hair pulling resulting in long stalemates
4.One-sided matches
5. Looking too fake and choreographed
6.hair pulling resulting in long stalemate
7. Overly produced (i.e. music, special effects, etc)
8. Hair pulling resulting in long stalemates >:(
I also don't like when they start off naked. I prefer clothing being stripped away. My favorites are starting FULLY clothed with clothes gradually being torn away till at least topless.
Also... too much hair pulling resulting in long BORING stalemates
I dislike one sided beating.
I dislike when there is no trash talk. One gets the upper hand and says nothing. Or when it's clear who the winner will be but they don't taunt the losing girl or humiliate her in some fashion.
Gotta have trash talk especially during a stare down face off. Dislike YouTube street fights or bloody MMA. Ladies fighting topless and dirty are the most exciting. Fake and scripted fights are just lame.
Quote from: shesfinished on July 16, 2022, 05:14:40 AM
Gotta have trash talk especially during a stare down face off. Dislike YouTube street fights or bloody MMA. Ladies fighting topless and dirty are the most exciting. Fake and scripted fights are just lame.
I dislike several of these as well.
Also agree completely almost to every word with jaybee on the clothes. My absolute favorite is each woman starting FULLY clothed with a suit jacket, long sleeve button down shirt, no bra, skirt, no pantyhose and barefoot. Each woman tries to rip the buttons/shirt off the other leaving the suit jacket on. Nothing sexier on the face of the earth and makes me horny as hell !!!
Sort of like the women in this video with the jackets on !!!
https://txxx.com/videos/5922901/japanese-catfight-2-vs-2/?kt_lang=en (https://txxx.com/videos/5922901/japanese-catfight-2-vs-2/?kt_lang=en):
I don't like to get promised more as I will see after bought the product.
when I read 'real fight', I do not want to buy staked ones.
when promised nude, it means for humans only hair and skin, nothing else,
when written 'full contact' (or similar) I hope, it means complete body, from head to feet.
I accept additional rules like in use for pro-boxing, -K1, UFC, aso.
Over all, I do not want to pay for inovative promotion-work only, but for real subscriptet fights.
With weekend-greetings, Frank. :)
Quote from: snw on July 16, 2022, 06:25:00 AM
Quote from: shesfinished on July 16, 2022, 05:14:40 AM
Gotta have trash talk especially during a stare down face off. Dislike YouTube street fights or bloody MMA. Ladies fighting topless and dirty are the most exciting. Fake and scripted fights are just lame.
I dislike several of these as well.
I agree I'm really not into two women beating each other to a bloody pulp particularly the new Bareknuckle boxing league that's been going on for the past few years. To each his own I guess.
Jaybee, I may be wrong, but how about hair pulling resulting in long stalemates? Is that something you don't like to see??? LOL
Fake matches and not so great looking girls
Quote from: wasteland1952 on July 18, 2022, 09:54:16 PM
Jaybee, I may be wrong, but how about hair pulling resulting in long stalemates? Is that something you don't like to see??? LOL
My bad I may have forgotten to add that to my list.
No I'm not particularly into girls just pulling hair resulting in long stalemates. Thanks for reminding me. ;)
ALSO...
I'm not completely against hairpulling just when it takes up 95% of the fight to the point the girls are just lying on the ground not doing anything.
Reminds me of the Misty Lovelace vs Jacky Fey Suitefights match. Hairpulling ground action is fine with me as long as punches are thrown to the body and tits re attacked. Better yet, after 2 mins., separate the two and get them back on their feet.
1st of all,let me clarify that I'm referring only to 100% fantasy female fighting and not any IRL fighting ...
A few things I really hate seeing is-
1. Videos where the girls start fighting with each other immediately when the video begins...I want some pre match buildup such as why these 2 particular girls are fighting each other,and who challenged who and why they're having a particular type of fight...
2. They should always stick with the same type of fighting the entire video...If they're wrestling at the beginning,they should be wrestling the entire video,same goes for boxing... If they switch from wrestling to boxing,at least inform us beforehand that's part of the scenario...
3. Even though I like quite a few things JM Rolen includes in their videos,1 thing I could do without is all those bruises and the blood they put on the girls faces...IMHO all those girls are much too pretty to have their faces marked up like that...(Most of us already know they're not actually beating the crap outta each other,and all the bruises and blood doesn't convince me otherwise)...
Quote from: pingpong on July 19, 2022, 05:39:01 AM
Reminds me of the Misty Lovelace vs Jacky Fey Suitefights match. Hairpulling ground action is fine with me as long as punches are thrown to the body and tits re attacked. Better yet, after 2 mins., separate the two and get them back on their feet.
BINGO!
Keep the action going! Don't overstep by coaching every second of the fight either. I don't know how I failed to mention this but this might be my MOST hated thing, talking from the camera person or director during the fight! Catzreview chimes in too often, PhatPherra used to do it waaay too much, and over at APL any video contributed by Paisley's company where she isn't a participant she runs her mouth the entire video like she's Jim Ross from the WWF attitude era (I still love her though but she needs to put a sock in it )! I will say Suitfights gives just the right amount of verbal input (what little times they do chime in) during their fights I haven't really had a problem with those guys yet. The only vocals I expect to hear during a fight are between the participants or if there is danger the director/camera person/producer my give direction or warning.
The most disappointing thing is when the girls aren't allowed to finish the fight. There needs to be a clear winner by verbal submission (preferably) or KO or tap out. One of the girls needs to be declared the winner. Need some sort of time following the winner being determined that allows the winner to enjoy being in control.
When the Director cancels the fight prematutely when its starting to get good. Mila rose vs nikki darling round 3,4 and 5 should have happened and would have been interesting. Would Mila rose make a violent comeback and beat the exhausted nikki?
-when its staged but promoted as a real fight
-when there is no clear winner
Quote from: Flamingo on August 17, 2022, 12:05:44 PM
When the Director cancels the fight prematutely when its starting to get good. Mila rose vs nikki darling round 3,4 and 5 should have happened and would have been interesting. Would Mila rose make a violent comeback and beat the exhausted nikki?
-when its staged but promoted as a real fight
-when there is no clear winner
These reasons are why my enthusiasm for real catfights has all but disappeared over the past few years and why I haven't purchased one in a long, long time. The last one I purchased was a solid fight but it was just more of the same thing, nothing really stood out which isn't a bad thing for some but for me...idk I need a little variety.
Quote from: Flamingo on August 17, 2022, 12:05:44 PM
When the Director cancels the fight prematutely when its starting to get good. Mila rose vs nikki darling round 3,4 and 5 should have happened and would have been interesting. Would Mila rose make a violent comeback and beat the exhausted nikki?
-when its staged but promoted as a real fight
-when there is no clear winner
A no clear winner outcome is a bummer and leaves a vacumn of emptiness. If the Nikki Darling vs Bella Luxx catfightt happens I want a finish that is decisive and clear, No draw!
Quote from: jaybee on August 17, 2022, 03:53:29 PM
Quote from: Flamingo on August 17, 2022, 12:05:44 PM
When the Director cancels the fight prematutely when its starting to get good. Mila rose vs nikki darling round 3,4 and 5 should have happened and would have been interesting. Would Mila rose make a violent comeback and beat the exhausted nikki?
-when its staged but promoted as a real fight
-when there is no clear winner
These reasons are why my enthusiasm for real catfights has all but disappeared over the past few years and why I haven't purchased one in a long, long time. The last one I purchased was a solid fight but it was just more of the same thing, nothing really stood out which isn't a bad thing for some but for me...idk I need a little variety.
Some recent ones were lackluster. Curious as to what "a little variety" are you alluding to?
Quote from: pingpong on August 18, 2022, 03:26:03 AM
Quote from: jaybee on August 17, 2022, 03:53:29 PM
Quote from: Flamingo on August 17, 2022, 12:05:44 PM
When the Director cancels the fight prematutely when its starting to get good. Mila rose vs nikki darling round 3,4 and 5 should have happened and would have been interesting. Would Mila rose make a violent comeback and beat the exhausted nikki?
-when its staged but promoted as a real fight
-when there is no clear winner
These reasons are why my enthusiasm for real catfights has all but disappeared over the past few years and why I haven't purchased one in a long, long time. The last one I purchased was a solid fight but it was just more of the same thing, nothing really stood out which isn't a bad thing for some but for me...idk I need a little variety.
Some recent ones were lackluster. Curious as to what "a little variety" are you alluding to?
"Variety" may have been a poor choice of words on my part. Idk...the last crop of fights over the past few years have all just been the same (imo) nothing distinguishing one from the other, other than the participants. The many abrupt finishes and short fights have kinda soured me. I get way more entertainment and satisfaction out of fights from Fighting Dolls (I have other issues with them), APL, and Foxy Combat type companies content or just older content (80s-90s) period. Call it "catfight fatigue" if you will it's like lately "if you've seen one you've seen'm all".
When it is to much Fake
Without Crying Tears merci
I always find it interesting that there's so much variety even in a fetish like ours. So many things and so many fans liking them. I hate the "they both knocked each other out" at the end of the fight. I want to see a definite winner and loser and unlike some of the posters, I do enjoy seeing the winner humilate the loser.
I don't like blood or any extreme violence. I do make allowances for bad acting. These ladies are there to put on a catfight show. They're not Meryl Streep so I kinda give them a lot of slack.
When the producer talks too much during the fight, when the fighters are taking it easy and the action feels slow and nalf hearted.
When the producer wants to play god and decides to end the fight prematurely. Both fighters want to continue but he ends it. With no rematch
Quote from: Flamingo on August 21, 2022, 07:50:01 AM
When the producer talks too much during the fight, when the fighters are taking it easy and the action feels slow and nalf hearted.
When the producer wants to play god and decides to end the fight prematurely. Both fighters want to continue but he ends it. With no rematch
I can only refer to Suitefights regarding. There has been catfights when a lady quits and the match ends, Have not seen a catfight where thie producer stops a fight when the ladies want to continue. I would like to now some of the catfights where this has happened. Thanks!
Quote from: pingpong on August 21, 2022, 10:19:23 AM
Quote from: Flamingo on August 21, 2022, 07:50:01 AM
When the producer talks too much during the fight, when the fighters are taking it easy and the action feels slow and nalf hearted.
When the producer wants to play god and decides to end the fight prematurely. Both fighters want to continue but he ends it. With no rematch
I can only refer to Suitefights regarding. There has been catfights when a lady quits and the match ends, Have not seen a catfight where thie producer stops a fight when the ladies want to continue. I would like to now some of the catfights where this has happened. Thanks!
Suitefights sadly ends fights prematurely and doesn't arrange rematches.
Quote from: Flamingo on August 21, 2022, 01:13:41 PM
Quote from: pingpong on August 21, 2022, 10:19:23 AM
Quote from: Flamingo on August 21, 2022, 07:50:01 AM
When the producer talks too much during the fight, when the fighters are taking it easy and the action feels slow and nalf hearted.
When the producer wants to play god and decides to end the fight prematurely. Both fighters want to continue but he ends it. With no rematch
I can only refer to Suitefights regarding. There has been catfights when a lady quits and the match ends, Have not seen a catfight where thie producer stops a fight when the ladies want to continue. I would like to now some of the catfights where this has happened. Thanks!
Suitefights sadly ends fights prematurely and doesn't arrange rematches.
I believe Emma Rae vs Angel rematch is on the horizon........
My major dislike is fights that have immediate and unrealistic loss of clothing. I want to see a fight not T and A.
When producers wait too long to book more fights and the catfighters retire.
Surely studios like suitefights should be able to book multiple fights when the models are still interested and in the industry
Quote from: Flamingo on August 23, 2022, 01:31:40 AM
When producers wait too long to book more fights and the catfighters retire.
Surely studios like suitefights should be able to book multiple fights when the models are still interested and in the industry
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Good point. One a month sounds doable.
as previously stated, I have also stopped buying vids, even from my favorites, Suite fights and Mexican cat fights. Lackluster performances by the ladies, no spark, conclusion is either muddled or there is no conclusion. The action stopped early on. I cannot belirve that I have not bought Vika vs Sunni! I just have this notion that I would watch it once and never again. We need something new. Mexicans vs Suite girls. People off the street, instead of models who aren't going all out. There, I said it. Now I expect to be attacked by the usual suspects, but I think that I have freedom to say what is on my mind.
Quote from: Gitter73 on August 23, 2022, 09:51:24 PM
as previously stated, I have also stopped buying vids, even from my favorites, Suite fights and Mexican cat fights. Lackluster performances by the ladies, no spark, conclusion is either muddled or there is no conclusion. The action stopped early on. I cannot belirve that I have not bought Vika vs Sunni! I just have this notion that I would watch it once and never again. We need something new. Mexicans vs Suite girls. People off the street, instead of models who aren't going all out. There, I said it. Now I expect to be attacked by the usual suspects, but I think that I have freedom to say what is on my mind.
Well put. I think the upcoming Suitefights catfight will surprise many IMO.
Quote from: Gitter73 on August 23, 2022, 09:51:24 PM
as previously stated, I have also stopped buying vids, even from my favorites, Suite fights and Mexican cat fights. Lackluster performances by the ladies, no spark, conclusion is either muddled or there is no conclusion. The action stopped early on. I cannot belirve that I have not bought Vika vs Sunni! I just have this notion that I would watch it once and never again. We need something new. Mexicans vs Suite girls. People off the street, instead of models who aren't going all out. There, I said it. Now I expect to be attacked by the usual suspects, but I think that I have freedom to say what is on my mind.
I thought long and hard about replying to this comment because like you touched on I just don't have the energy to be arguing on a catfight forum over my thoughts over something as trivial as a catfight but fuck it... here goes... I COMPLETELY AGREE with your post. As far as Vika is concerned I absolutely LOVE her! She's one of my favorites on the scene right now and I have probably every match she's filmed accept the ones she's done for Suitfights so let me reiterate I am a HUGE fan of hers so me missing out on any matches she does is saying a hell of a lot. Again for all the reasons you brilliantly stated I've completely just cooled on the real catfight scene. To be fair I've not only soured on Suitfights I feel the same for different reasons about all the companies. Again the muddled finishes (or non finishes), way too short bouts for my taste, repetitive action, girls barely engaging and attempting to actually fight I think the glory days are over. I don't know whats gone wrong but something seems to have changed after what I consider the last good real catfight and that was Suitfights Nikki vs Mila and even that was stopped prematurely but was still good nevertheless. Sorry to ruffle feathers but it's nothing personal don't stop producing content it just takes that one spark (excellent fight) to ignite my interest again. Hopefully some of these upcoming fights will do just that.
Quote from: jaybee on August 24, 2022, 08:03:55 PM
Quote from: Gitter73 on August 23, 2022, 09:51:24 PM
as previously stated, I have also stopped buying vids, even from my favorites, Suite fights and Mexican cat fights. Lackluster performances by the ladies, no spark, conclusion is either muddled or there is no conclusion. The action stopped early on. I cannot belirve that I have not bought Vika vs Sunni! I just have this notion that I would watch it once and never again. We need something new. Mexicans vs Suite girls. People off the street, instead of models who aren't going all out. There, I said it. Now I expect to be attacked by the usual suspects, but I think that I have freedom to say what is on my mind.
I thought long and hard about replying to this comment because like you touched on I just don't have the energy to be arguing on a catfight forum over my thoughts over something as trivial as a catfight but fuck it... here goes... I COMPLETELY AGREE with your post. As far as Vika is concerned I absolutely LOVE her! She's one of my favorites on the scene right now and I have probably every match she's filmed accept the ones she's done for Suitfights so let me reiterate I am a HUGE fan of hers so me missing out on any matches she does is saying a hell of a lot. Again for all the reasons you brilliantly stated I've completely just cooled on the real catfight scene. To be fair I've not only soured on Suitfights I feel the same for different reasons about all the companies. Again the muddled finishes (or non finishes), way too short bouts for my taste, repetitive action, girls barely engaging and attempting to actually fight I think the glory days are over. I don't know whats gone wrong but something seems to have changed after what I consider the last good real catfight and that was Suitfights Nikki vs Mila and even that was stopped prematurely but was still good nevertheless. Sorry to ruffle feathers but it's nothing personal don't stop producing content it just takes that one spark (excellent fight) to ignite my interest again. Hopefully some of these upcoming fights will do just that.
I agree that the a couple of Suitfight matches were blah. Aubrey vs Brooke, Zamra vs Bella Luxx and ivy vs Bella come to mind. Mila vs Nikki should have continued with more rounds. I think Nikki's return against Bella Luxx hopefully will turn the lackluster trend around as both ladies seem tomwant to really go at it.
Quote from: pingpong on August 24, 2022, 08:23:56 PM
Quote from: jaybee on August 24, 2022, 08:03:55 PM
Quote from: Gitter73 on August 23, 2022, 09:51:24 PM
as previously stated, I have also stopped buying vids, even from my favorites, Suite fights and Mexican cat fights. Lackluster performances by the ladies, no spark, conclusion is either muddled or there is no conclusion. The action stopped early on. I cannot belirve that I have not bought Vika vs Sunni! I just have this notion that I would watch it once and never again. We need something new. Mexicans vs Suite girls. People off the street, instead of models who aren't going all out. There, I said it. Now I expect to be attacked by the usual suspects, but I think that I have freedom to say what is on my mind.
I thought long and hard about replying to this comment because like you touched on I just don't have the energy to be arguing on a catfight forum over my thoughts over something as trivial as a catfight but fuck it... here goes... I COMPLETELY AGREE with your post. As far as Vika is concerned I absolutely LOVE her! She's one of my favorites on the scene right now and I have probably every match she's filmed accept the ones she's done for Suitfights so let me reiterate I am a HUGE fan of hers so me missing out on any matches she does is saying a hell of a lot. Again for all the reasons you brilliantly stated I've completely just cooled on the real catfight scene. To be fair I've not only soured on Suitfights I feel the same for different reasons about all the companies. Again the muddled finishes (or non finishes), way too short bouts for my taste, repetitive action, girls barely engaging and attempting to actually fight I think the glory days are over. I don't know whats gone wrong but something seems to have changed after what I consider the last good real catfight and that was Suitfights Nikki vs Mila and even that was stopped prematurely but was still good nevertheless. Sorry to ruffle feathers but it's nothing personal don't stop producing content it just takes that one spark (excellent fight) to ignite my interest again. Hopefully some of these upcoming fights will do just that.
I agree that the a couple of Suitfight matches were blah. Aubrey vs Brooke, Zamra vs Bella Luxx and ivy vs Bella come to mind. Mila vs Nikki should have continued with more rounds. I think Nikki's return against Bella Luxx hopefully will turn the lackluster trend around as both ladies seem tomwant to really go at it.
If I may clarify my last post there has been SOME "good" catfights since Mila vs Nikki but nothing that stood out. The replay value of almost all the fights after Nikki vs Mila IMO has been next to nothing not saying that that fight was the greatest fight ever (nothing will dethrone SF Mira vs Jess 2) but that fight (NIKKI, MILA) was the end of a golden era and the start of the time period when things started to decline. IMO all tge companies took a drop after that. I miss early Sarah Brook, Jess, Mira, Mila at Suitfights and Pandora, Killer sex, Skylar, and Rebel to name a few tearing it up at Catzreview plus other companies putting on stellar fights as well.
Quote from: sinclairfan on August 24, 2022, 08:56:26 PM
Quote from: Gitter73 on August 23, 2022, 09:51:24 PM
as previously stated, I have also stopped buying vids, even from my favorites, Suite fights and Mexican cat fiights. Lackluster performances by the ladies, no spark, conclusion is either muddled or there is no conclusion. The action stopped early on.
I thought Santana's pre-fight interview was revealing on the dimension of what the girls' motivation is. She said she was training for controlled mma, so it wasn't violent ...... but she got a hint of an adrenaline rush, and wanted more.
So.....
If you're looking for a moderate adrenaline rush, the girls can help you. But if you're looking for violence, they can't.
Hairpulling and tit mauling is incredibly violent
I have read this entire thread and would like to weigh in as a producer. Now as many of you know BaeFight is much more known for our scripted fights, that's what 95% of our films are. Probably 4% are competitive wrestling (it's real but has many rules, the baes win by pinning or submitting with leg scissors; it looks a lot like unskilled high school wrestling), and 1% real catfights.
I also want to say that I am a fan of combat sports--I wrote a thesis paper in college on boxing. I watched the first 15 or so UFC's live and even attended one of their single digit events.
BaeFight is a bit over 4 years old. For real fights, we produced Gia Love vs Vanessa, Paris vs Alexa Brooke, and just last week Scarlett vs Anastasia. Next week we will be putting on Gia Love vs Kilo.
As a producer, there is only so much we have control over. The matchup, of course, the rules, and attire; though all this also requires great input from the fighters.
I'm always taken aback when I get questions like, "Will they strip each other? Will they twist nipples?" and so forth. My answer is, "I have no idea. It's a real fight." I mean, sometimes you pay your money and get Ali-Frazier (a classic), sometimes it's Tyson-Spinks (a 91 second knockout), and sometimes it's Tyson-Bonecrusher Smith (a snooze fest). Point is, (and I'm sorry, I know those references are quite dated, lol) it's real and anyone would be remiss were they to say in advance what will happen.
That is, of course, if it is actually real and not fixed and fixed doesn't necessarily mean scripted or pre-determined who wins. Fixed can be simply someone is encouraging the participants to do something in particular, like strip their opponent or to be sure to grab her pussy, whatever it may be. Some producers, I believe do coach the girls to do certain things.
At BaeFight, we do not. We encourage them to fight hard and try to win. It is also important to note that nobody wants anyone to be injured, their safety is in each other's hands. Even when there is animosity between the two, they must not cross the line from trying to get a submission to trying to injure. Fight hard and try to win.
I take this very seriously. All of it. Starting with the matchup. Our first two, we got right. Both were good, competitive matches. Last week's was not. One of the fighters had never worked with us. She was referred to us by a fighter that we have great respect for. This girl talked the talk and we bought it, thinking that as the sizes of the two were perfect and they were both talking a great game, that the fight would be fair. It was not. Anastasia was clearly no match for Scarlett. Doing scripted matches does give you great insight as to who would be good in a real fight or not. Some have great instincts and others have no clue. Had we shot a fake match with Anastasia, we'd have realized she had no clue. Scarlett, on the other hand is a real fighter.
That fight was hard to watch and I have to admit, we considered stopping it. Anastasia was so brave and wouldn't submit despite getting pummeled. Every time we asked her, she wanted to keep going. She said she felt if she didn't submit, she could win. This made Scarlett, who I believe realized right away the mismatch and sort of took it a bit easy in the 1st round, to go even harder as she was determined to win the prize money. As we went to the 3rd round at 0-0, Scarlett made sure she beat at least one submission out of Anastasia.
For Monday's fight, Gia vs Kilo, I believe we will have a great fight. Gia is bigger and is experienced in this type of catfighting. Kilo is taller, strong, and fit. She is also a street fighter, she has had numerous fights. From her scripted ones, it's clear she knows what she's doing. I truly think this will be a crazy good fight. But it might not be, who knows? All I can guarantee is that it will be real.
I guess I got a little off topic there but as a producer, there are so many things to think of. We have done so few because they are so hard to put on. It's a very scary thing. Number one will always be safety. Fortunately we have not had any that got out of hand. Hopefully that will remain the case and we will always see the fight go the full-time.
For me, what I don't like, is if a real one simply isn't real. If the fighters don't give full effort from the start. I mean, they may quickly realize they're over their head and that changes everything. But what I want is effort, try to win. Sure things like someone talking or coaching can be annoying though I know we did a bit last fight, letting Anastasia know that she could tap out anytime, maybe even encouraging her to do so. But if a fight is short, if neither can win (due to an even matchup and not that they aren't trying hard), if they don't end up naked, or particular holds or moves aren't used--none of that bothers me as longs it's a real, honest effort. That's the beauty of a fight, it is unpredictable. You should never know what you're about to get. Sure, you may have a great idea of who will win but it is simply the idea that you just don't know what will happen that makes watching a fight so exciting for me.
Sorry to be so long winded and I'm not even sure I said what I had set out to say, lol. Thanks for your time.
www.BaeFight.com
Quote from: docstup on August 25, 2022, 04:48:33 PM
I have read this entire thread and would like to weigh in as a producer. Now as many of you know BaeFight is much more known for our scripted fights, that's what 95% of our films are. Probably 4% are competitive wrestling (it's real but has many rules, the baes win by pinning or submitting with leg scissors; it looks a lot like unskilled high school wrestling), and 1% real catfights.
I also want to say that I am a fan of combat sports--I wrote a thesis paper in college on boxing. I watched the first 15 or so UFC's live and even attended one of their single digit events.
BaeFight is a bit over 4 years old. For real fights, we produced Gia Love vs Vanessa, Paris vs Alexa Brooke, and just last week Scarlett vs Anastasia. Next week we will be putting on Gia Love vs Kilo.
As a producer, there is only so much we have control over. The matchup, of course, the rules, and attire; though all this also requires great input from the fighters.
I'm always taken aback when I get questions like, "Will they strip each other? Will they twist nipples?" and so forth. My answer is, "I have no idea. It's a real fight." I mean, sometimes you pay your money and get Ali-Frazier (a classic), sometimes it's Tyson-Spinks (a 91 second knockout), and sometimes it's Tyson-Bonecrusher Smith (a snooze fest). Point is, (and I'm sorry, I know those references are quite dated, lol) it's real and anyone would be remiss were they to say in advance what will happen.
That is, of course, if it is actually real and not fixed and fixed doesn't necessarily mean scripted or pre-determined who wins. Fixed can be simply someone is encouraging the participants to do something in particular, like strip their opponent or to be sure to grab her pussy, whatever it may be. Some producers, I believe do coach the girls to do certain things.
At BaeFight, we do not. We encourage them to fight hard and try to win. It is also important to note that nobody wants anyone to be injured, their safety is in each other's hands. Even when there is animosity between the two, they must not cross the line from trying to get a submission to trying to injure. Fight hard and try to win.
I take this very seriously. All of it. Starting with the matchup. Our first two, we got right. Both were good, competitive matches. Last week's was not. One of the fighters had never worked with us. She was referred to us by a fighter that we have great respect for. This girl talked the talk and we bought it, thinking that as the sizes of the two were perfect and they were both talking a great game, that the fight would be fair. It was not. Anastasia was clearly no match for Scarlett. Doing scripted matches does give you great insight as to who would be good in a real fight or not. Some have great instincts and others have no clue. Had we shot a fake match with Anastasia, we'd have realized she had no clue. Scarlett, on the other hand is a real fighter.
That fight was hard to watch and I have to admit, we considered stopping it. Anastasia was so brave and wouldn't submit despite getting pummeled. Every time we asked her, she wanted to keep going. She said she felt if she didn't submit, she could win. This made Scarlett, who I believe realized right away the mismatch and sort of took it a bit easy in the 1st round, to go even harder as she was determined to win the prize money. As we went to the 3rd round at 0-0, Scarlett made sure she beat at least one submission out of Anastasia.
For Monday's fight, Gia vs Kilo, I believe we will have a great fight. Gia is bigger and is experienced in this type of catfighting. Kilo is taller, strong, and fit. She is also a street fighter, she has had numerous fights. From her scripted ones, it's clear she knows what she's doing. I truly think this will be a crazy good fight. But it might not be, who knows? All I can guarantee is that it will be real.
I guess I got a little off topic there but as a producer, there are so many things to think of. We have done so few because they are so hard to put on. It's a very scary thing. Number one will always be safety. Fortunately we have not had any that got out of hand. Hopefully that will remain the case and we will always see the fight go the full-time.
For me, what I don't like, is if a real one simply isn't real. If the fighters don't give full effort from the start. I mean, they may quickly realize they're over their head and that changes everything. But what I want is effort, try to win. Sure things like someone talking or coaching can be annoying though I know we did a bit last fight, letting Anastasia know that she could tap out anytime, maybe even encouraging her to do so. But if a fight is short, if neither can win (due to an even matchup and not that they aren't trying hard), if they don't end up naked, or particular holds or moves aren't used--none of that bothers me as longs it's a real, honest effort. That's the beauty of a fight, it is unpredictable. You should never know what you're about to get. Sure, you may have a great idea of who will win but it is simply the idea that you just don't know what will happen that makes watching a fight so exciting for me.
Sorry to be so long winded and I'm not even sure I said what I had set out to say, lol. Thanks for your time.
www.BaeFight.com
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I believe that most catfight aficinados do not want any seriously injured ladies as the result stemming from a catfight The fight should be immediately halted if blood is drawn from strikes to the face or limbs being bent to gain a submission. For me only real unscripted catfights tend to be more intense and raising the level of relentless attacks. When arranging a competitive catfight, rules/format must be agreed upon so mid-understandings arise. This would be the demise of all involved. Personally I prefer real catfight rules such as hairpulling, slapping below the neck and breast/pussy attacks. Love when the ladies engage with these tactics to dish out the utmost punishment to finish the other. Retaliation to attacks generally lead to more explosive actions and increases animosity and the will to win. Violence, street fighting are not my cup of tea and will not support producers who advocate them. Keep doing what you are doing what you are doing making quality fights. Best of success!
This is directed @docstup and other producers
I personally would never blame the producers for the fighters performances. I fully understand that when fights are unscripted it ends up however it ends up the producers just set the fight up and film it the rest depends on the fighters sometimes you have bangers and sometimes you have duds thats not you guys fault. The problem a lot of people seem to have is when a fight is prematutely stopped which is a producers decision. I understand why producers stop fights if there is an injury AND I FULLY AGREE WITH THEM...BUT... the issue is these catfights are supposed to be legit correct?... So if two people are participating in a real fight injuries WILL happen major, minor, or minute (how one hasn't happened in every fight is actually a miracle) now the question is do you risk stopping every fight at the slightest injury? Being the person I am I'd stop the fight if someone gets hurt, these girls are models not professional fighters BUT... this is supposed to be a "real" fight so again injuries are inevitable and I just couldn't stop every fight mid way that would piss off the audience so what do I do? That's the conundrum. With real fights producers are still responsible for the girls well-being so if someone gets hurt I assume the blame and responsibility would fall on them and I'm positive they don't want that so again what is the producer to do? Bottom line is if producers are worried about liability they shouldn't put on real fights the chances of injury are too great. I DEFINITELY wouldn't allow face slapping that's a bad accident waiting to happen and IMO it's unnecessary. I'm on the producers side for stopping fights however I fully understand the fans complaining about stopping fights as well. If I paid to see a legit catfight I'd like to see a real catfight with a decisive winner and with a real fight comes real injuries so if I'm not willing to deal with the injuries as the producer then I shouldn't produce a real fight you kinda can't have it both ways (im talking minor injuries like cuts, scrapes, bruises, nose bleeds, bloody lips). For that reason I personally would NEVER attempt to stage a legit catfight because I couldn't fully give the audience 100% real catfights.
PS
I'm not knocking anyone's product I appreciate all of you guys work hell I own most of the real catfights produced over the last 10yrs up until recently. I'm just giving my 2 cents.
People get injured during catfights. That is normal as they are trying to make each other quit.
If they dont want to continue that is fine. End the fight.
If both are wanting to continue and the producer ends it prematurely..that's when fans lose faith.
I feel robbed whenever the screen turns black and the producer plays god and ends it. Mila rose vs nikki round 3,4,5 should have happened. Jacky fay and misty Lovelace should have continued until one quit
Quote from: Flamingo on August 26, 2022, 11:51:25 AM
People get injured during catfights. That is normal as they are trying to make each other quit.
If they dont want to continue that is fine. End the fight.
If both are wanting to continue and the producer ends it prematurely..that's when fans lose faith.
I feel robbed whenever the screen turns black and the producer plays god and ends it. Mila rose vs nikki round 3,4,5 should have happened. Jacky fay and misty Lovelace should have continued until one quit
That's what I was alluding to in my last post if a real catfight is advertised fans want a real catfight and with real catfights come real injuries so the producers are going to have to either be OK with that or make adjustments to what is or isn't allowed to prevent any injuries which would kinda go against what a real catfight is. When I think real catfight I think of ECNWC, crystal films, Girlfight club and things like that they had almost ZERO rules and never stopped a fight prematutely which IMO is unsafe but hey... they give you what they promised. I'm positive Suitfights, Catzreview, Baefights would never stage fights like that (I don't blame them) but like I said you can't halfstep if you're not all in on just letting the fights go unless there's a serious injury or a participant can't/won't continue and fights keep ending abruptly or prematutely then it's not a 100% legit catfight which is gonna piss diehard catfight fans off. It's more like... limited rules grappling I guess you could say? Wrestling with catty tactics?... idk.
Producers would be able to make a lot more money if they ran it like a wrestling company: That the outcomes can be predetermined, the girls fight hard but know that they could make more out of rematches.
If brooke vs lexi had an immediate rematch, it would have sold better than the first. Instead, no producer wanted to make a sequel.
While I cannot speak for any other producer, I can say that we have never stopped a fight despite possibly having reasons to in at least two of the three we put on.
In Vanessa vs Gia Love, Vanessa twisted her ankle fairly badly. It took her a few minutes to be able to stand up and put weight on it. We gave her time to recover and told her it was totally up to her to continue or not. She fought on. Of course we were never going to stop this without her say so.
In our most recent one, Scarlett vs Anastasia, we considered stopping it a few times. It was such a complete mismatch that we were concerned about Anastasia. Between rounds we discussed it with her and each time she told us she wanted to keep going. As she was so brave, the score was still 0-0 going to the 3rd and final round. Had she tapped out a few times, I think we would have been much more likely to take action into our own hands, though with her insistence to keep going, I don't believe we would have stopped it no matter the score. To her credit, Scarlett fought hard and never let up, even after beating the submission out of her. In fact, it seemed to me that Scarlett was more vicious after she was in the lead. I know it was hard for her but she was amazing.
We have a big one tomorrow with Gia Love vs Kilo. We truly believe this will be a great match. I think Kilo will go right at her, will take the action to the larger Gia. Who knows if I'm right or not, it's for real, so anything can happen.
I do want to respond to Flamingo who wrote "Producers would be able to make a lot more money if they ran it like a wrestling company: That the outcomes can be predetermined. . ." Perhaps I don't understand what you are trying to say but if not, I would think any producer who advertises anything as being real and then attempts to predetermine it at all would (and should) lose all credibility and likely sales. Why would anyone buy a rematch when the 1st one was fixed? I mean, if you want drama and a storyline, check out some of our scripted stuff! I'd recommend the Sorority Fight or Model Fight series. Actually we're in the midst on one now with the Worst Friends series. Our goal is to make them look as realistic as possible, certainly there is no giggling or rolling around, having fun. But when we say we're putting on a real catfight, that's exactly what we do.
Lastly I'll say, and I could be 100% wrong, I think Kilo is on the verge of becoming a major star in the catfight industry. . . She has size, strength, beauty, attitude. . .
www.baefight.com
Quote from: Flamingo on August 26, 2022, 02:59:39 PM
Producers would be able to make a lot more money if they ran it like a wrestling company: That the outcomes can be predetermined, the girls fight hard but know that they could make more out of rematches.
If brooke vs lexi had an immediate rematch, it would have sold better than the first. Instead, no producer wanted to make a sequel.
There are a ton of companies that shoot scripted matches. Also, why is a scripted rematch more intersting then rematch of 100% real competitive match? One of my best liked matches is Antscha Vs Dragonlily in Budapest, this was a Rematch of their competitive match in Vegas years ealier.
Quote from: docstup on August 28, 2022, 02:09:52 PM
While I cannot speak for any other producer, I can say that we have never stopped a fight despite possibly having reasons to in at least two of the three we put on.
In Vanessa vs Gia Love, Vanessa twisted her ankle fairly badly. It took her a few minutes to be able to stand up and put weight on it. We gave her time to recover and told her it was totally up to her to continue or not. She fought on. Of course we were never going to stop this without her say so.
In our most recent one, Scarlett vs Anastasia, we considered stopping it a few times. It was such a complete mismatch that we were concerned about Anastasia. Between rounds we discussed it with her and each time she told us she wanted to keep going. As she was so brave, the score was still 0-0 going to the 3rd and final round. Had she tapped out a few times, I think we would have been much more likely to take action into our own hands, though with her insistence to keep going, I don't believe we would have stopped it no matter the score. To her credit, Scarlett fought hard and never let up, even after beating the submission out of her. In fact, it seemed to me that Scarlett was more vicious after she was in the lead. I know it was hard for her but she was amazing.
We have a big one tomorrow with Gia Love vs Kilo. We truly believe this will be a great match. I think Kilo will go right at her, will take the action to the larger Gia. Who knows if I'm right or not, it's for real, so anything can happen.
I do want to respond to Flamingo who wrote "Producers would be able to make a lot more money if they ran it like a wrestling company: That the outcomes can be predetermined. . ." Perhaps I don't understand what you are trying to say but if not, I would think any producer who advertises anything as being real and then attempts to predetermine it at all would (and should) lose all credibility and likely sales. Why would anyone buy a rematch when the 1st one was fixed? I mean, if you want drama and a storyline, check out some of our scripted stuff! I'd recommend the Sorority Fight or Model Fight series. Actually we're in the midst on one now with the Worst Friends series. Our goal is to make them look as realistic as possible, certainly there is no giggling or rolling around, having fun. But when we say we're putting on a real catfight, that's exactly what we do.
Lastly I'll say, and I could be 100% wrong, I think Kilo is on the verge of becoming a major star in the catfight industry. . . She has size, strength, beauty, attitude. . .
www.baefight.com
Thank you for your input!
Your studios did a wonderful work on the Vanessa vs Gia! Its exactly whats missing in the industry ,real catfight/ wrestling..The rematch would have been great ..
Could you share with the community how you started in the industry and how were you able to finally deliver work of this quality?
I always wonder why Studio do not sponsor the fighters, it would be great to see match between different production companies
Thanks again !